Bring the "boys" Home?? Hell No! Leave the arrogant bastards over there!

Bring 'Em Home? Hell No! Leave the arrogant bastards over there!

We all saw on TV the troops eagerly cheering that they wanted to go to war.

Well the arrogant murdering bastards got what they want. I say leave 'em over
there for a few years (this IS gonna get bigger).
Send all the rightwing lying "patriots" over there too.

They wanted it...they got it...and now they deserve it.

Leave 'Em Over There!!!!

(hell...let's keep sending billions of dollars over there too...WE deserve it!)

To you rightwing assholes who think you are patriots...hell no I ain't with you,
and you ain't with me, I reject what you stand for, you murdering bastards.

You won't find me in any demonstrations to "Bring the Boys Home"...leave the bastards there!

...and they ain't boys either. THEY asked for it. Let 'em pay.

he he he...I am (cynically) enjoying this U.S. Klusterfuck in Iraq!
;-)

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:41:47 -0400, Jim Acorn
wrote:

>Bring 'Em Home? Hell No! Leave the arrogant bastards over there! >


They're killing too many innocent Iraqis. Put them on an island and
let them play survivor. Tell them they're fighting for jesus against
satan's army, and tell them half of their buddies are really demon
possessed. Have gospel music blaring on loudspeakers, promise
the winners free beer.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Oct20.html

Group Faults U.S. Tactics Against Civilians in Iraq

By Karl Vick
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, October 21, 2003; Page A20


BAGHDAD, Oct. 20 -- U.S. forces have killed at least 94 civilians in
Baghdad since May 1 "in questionable circumstances" but faced
investigation in only five incidents, encouraging soldiers to believe
they can fire with impunity, a human rights group said in a report
released Tuesday.

"Soldiers need to know that they will come under review in legally
questionable situations, and without that in their minds it creates an
atmosphere where they are quicker to use lethal force," said Fred
Abrahams of Human Rights Watch, the New York-based advocacy group.
"That accountability helps protect civilians.

"At the same time, this over-aggressive behavior and the lack of
targeted response in the end makes it more difficult for U.S.
soldiers, because these civilian killings breed such resentments and
feelings of revenge."

+

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"Jim Acorn" wrote in message
news:j9rkep37nxo$JN23.im6$21@tulane.edu...
> Bring 'Em Home? Hell No! Leave the arrogant bastards over there!
>
> We all saw on TV the troops eagerly cheering that they wanted to go to
war.
>
> Well the arrogant murdering bastards got what they want. I say leave 'em
over
> there for a few years (this IS gonna get bigger).
> Send all the rightwing lying "patriots" over there too.
>
> They wanted it...they got it...and now they deserve it.
>
> Leave 'Em Over There!!!!
>
> (hell...let's keep sending billions of dollars over there too...WE deserve
it!)
>
> To you rightwing assholes who think you are patriots...hell no I ain't
with you,
> and you ain't with me, I reject what you stand for, you murdering
bastards.
>
> You won't find me in any demonstrations to "Bring the Boys Home"...leave
the bastards there!
>
> ..and they ain't boys either. THEY asked for it. Let 'em pay.
>
> he he he...I am (cynically) enjoying this U.S. Klusterfuck in Iraq!
> ;-)

troll

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait.

Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll."

Jim Acorn wrote:
> Leave 'Em Over There!!!!
>
I agree, and colonize the entire middle east with freedom loving
Americans and Israelis while we're at it.

Thanks for sharing.

Hhhhmmmmm and will we be having our billy goat served hot or cold this
evening??


"Jim Acorn" wrote in message
news:j9rkep37nxo$JN23.im6$21@tulane.edu...
> Bring 'Em Home? Hell No! Leave the arrogant bastards over there!
>
> We all saw on TV the troops eagerly cheering that they wanted to go to
war.
>
> Well the arrogant murdering bastards got what they want. I say leave 'em
over
> there for a few years (this IS gonna get bigger).
> Send all the rightwing lying "patriots" over there too.
>
> They wanted it...they got it...and now they deserve it.
>
> Leave 'Em Over There!!!!
>
> (hell...let's keep sending billions of dollars over there too...WE deserve
it!)
>
> To you rightwing assholes who think you are patriots...hell no I ain't
with you,
> and you ain't with me, I reject what you stand for, you murdering
bastards.
>
> You won't find me in any demonstrations to "Bring the Boys Home"...leave
the bastards there!
>
> ..and they ain't boys either. THEY asked for it. Let 'em pay.
>
> he he he...I am (cynically) enjoying this U.S. Klusterfuck in Iraq!
> ;-)

What we did to the Vietnamese people was
worse than 10, 000 9/11's, and yet they forgive us.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...nam_usa_war_dc

Vietnam Seeks to Move Past Reported U.S. War Crimes

October 21, 2003

HANOI (Reuters) - Communist Vietnam said Tuesday it wanted to move
forward from its war past with America, following a U.S. newspaper
report that an army unit known as Tiger Force may have committed war
crimes.

The Blade newspaper from Toledo, Ohio, reported Sunday that the unit
killed scores of unarmed civilians, but an investigation was closed
with no charges being brought.

Asked to respond to the report, Vietnam's Foreign Ministry said in a
statement Tuesday that while the war with America, which ended in
1975, "caused much suffering and losses to the Vietnamese people," it
wished to close the door on such events.

"With a tradition for peace and humanitarianism in relations with the
United States as well as with countries that have had a hostile past
with Vietnam, our policy is to enhance mutual understanding through
cooperation, promoting and continuously improving bilateral
relations," the statement said.

"And that also acts as the basis to settle the consequences from the
past," it added.

The Blade said it found the Army had investigated the unit for 4
years, and found 18 soldiers had committed war crimes. But the Army
filed no charges, and allowed soldiers who were under suspicion of
committing war crimes to resign.

The newspaper said the accusations against the unit included killing
women and children, torturing prisoners and severing ears and scalps
for souvenirs.

The paper said the Army's investigation of Tiger Force found 27
soldiers who said the severing of ears from dead Vietnamese was an
accepted practice. One soldier told the newspaper that troops would
wear necklaces of ears to scare Vietnamese civilians.

The unit of 45 paratroopers was assigned to spy on enemy forces in
Vietnam's Quang Ngai and Quang Nam provinces between May and November
1967, the newspaper said. Unit members told the newspaper that they
faced frequent sniper fire and guerrilla attacks, with dozens of
soldiers wounded and some killed.

The Blade said it based its stories on interviews with more than 100
Tiger Force members and Vietnamese civilians, as well as thousands of
government documents, some still classified.

Some 58,000 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War, while Hanoi says
it lost three million civilians and military.




Study: Agent Orange Lingers in Vietnam Food
August 11, 2003

HANOI (Reuters) - Vietnam War-era defoliant Agent Orange continues to
contaminate livestock and fish eaten by Vietnamese decades after it
was used, a study released on Monday showed.

A 2002 study in Bien Hoa city, about 20 miles north of Ho Chi Minh
City, formerly Saigon, showed residents and food had high levels of
dioxin, the August issue of The Journal of Occupational and
Environmental Medicine said.

The report said about 95 percent of blood samples taken from 43 people
in Bien Hoa "were found to have elevated TCDD levels," referring to
the most toxic of the dioxins.

"Although the spraying ended over three decades ago, in certain areas
of Vietnam food is clearly a present-day route of intake of dioxin
from Agent Orange," the study said.

Tests on 16 food samples of chickens, ducks, pork, beef, fish and a
toad from the city's markets, a lake and a nearby air base where Agent
Orange had been stored found "markedly elevated" dioxin levels in six
samples.

Vietnam estimates more than one million of its people have been
exposed to Agent Orange, used from 1962 to 1971 to strip trees and
plants and deny communist fighters cover and food.

The dioxin-containing Agent Orange, the spraying of which was stopped
in 1971, got its name because of the colored stripes on its
containers.

U.S. embassy officials in Hanoi did not immediately have a comment on
the report.

+

"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw


The First Church of Common Sense

Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html

Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs'
"evildoers" who "hate our freedoms".
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html

While I share your Schadenfreude to a certain degree, I still
sympathize with the poor sandbags...but for the grace of God -- so to
speak -- go we, too....

Do not be so harsh on the blind as on those who've made them blind....




Jim Acorn wrote in message news:...
> Bring 'Em Home? Hell No! Leave the arrogant bastards over there!
>
> We all saw on TV the troops eagerly cheering that they wanted to go to war.
>
> Well the arrogant murdering bastards got what they want. I say leave 'em over
> there for a few years (this IS gonna get bigger).
> Send all the rightwing lying "patriots" over there too.
>
> They wanted it...they got it...and now they deserve it.
>
> Leave 'Em Over There!!!!
>
> (hell...let's keep sending billions of dollars over there too...WE deserve it!)
>
> To you rightwing assholes who think you are patriots...hell no I ain't with you,
> and you ain't with me, I reject what you stand for, you murdering bastards.
>
> You won't find me in any demonstrations to "Bring the Boys Home"...leave the bastards there!
>
> ..and they ain't boys either. THEY asked for it. Let 'em pay.
>
> he he he...I am (cynically) enjoying this U.S. Klusterfuck in Iraq!
> ;-)

>While I share your Schadenfreude to a certain degree, I still
>sympathize with the poor sandbags...but for the grace of God -- so to
>speak -- go we, too....
>
>Do not be so harsh on the blind as on those who've made them blind....
>


You are right, but how long will war criminals keep using the
same old excuse: "We were just following orders" ?

They are so easy to brainwash because they want so badly
to believe they are knights in shining armor, fighting the forces of
darkness. John Wayne, GI Joe, and now Arnold, are their role models.


"Bring them on."
GEORGE W. BUSH (AP) JULY 1, 2003:

Just days later….

"You guys are the true terminators"
Speaking to US soldiers on a visit Baghdad.
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
-- (AP) JULY 4, 2003

More from Schwarzenegger speaking to troops in Baghdad:
" First of all congratulations for saying hasta la vista (goodbye)
baby to Saddam Hussein. I came here from the United States because I
wanted to pump you all up," he said... Schwarzenegger said he could
not believe how he was frisked on airplanes on his way to Iraq. "I got
frisked so many times that I feel like the movie 'Freddy Got
Fingered'," he said to roars of laughter. "I tell you oil wells all
around. I have not seen that much oil since the last time I oiled up
for the Mr Universe contest." The Austrian-born actor told U.S.
soldiers "I'll be back," a phrase he uses in movies to rattle his
enemies.
-- Reuters 7/4/03

The Pope-About-Town
+

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by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw


The First Church of Common Sense

Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html

Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs'
"evildoers" who "hate our freedoms".
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html

The reason they want to move on past this is so more of their war crimes are
not found out.
I know the thing to do is blame America for all the evils in the world, only
America has done something bad or wrong.
Well listen up you little cretin, War Crimes was the name of the game for
the North. They applied it with gusto and glee.
They could not even spell Geneva Convention let alone follow it's rules.
Hell they even treated their own people like the enemy and committed many
war crimes against them. Yes we most likely committed war crimes by their
standards and maybe by ours as well, but it's nothing compared to what they
did to their own and us.
Frank


wrote in message
news:3f9534ed.6270872@news.mybizz.net...
> What we did to the Vietnamese people was
> worse than 10, 000 9/11's, and yet they forgive us.
>
>
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...nam_usa_war_dc
>
> Vietnam Seeks to Move Past Reported U.S. War Crimes
>
> October 21, 2003
>
> HANOI (Reuters) - Communist Vietnam said Tuesday it wanted to move
> forward from its war past with America, following a U.S. newspaper
> report that an army unit known as Tiger Force may have committed war
> crimes.
>
> The Blade newspaper from Toledo, Ohio, reported Sunday that the unit
> killed scores of unarmed civilians, but an investigation was closed
> with no charges being brought.
>
> Asked to respond to the report, Vietnam's Foreign Ministry said in a
> statement Tuesday that while the war with America, which ended in
> 1975, "caused much suffering and losses to the Vietnamese people," it
> wished to close the door on such events.
>
> "With a tradition for peace and humanitarianism in relations with the
> United States as well as with countries that have had a hostile past
> with Vietnam, our policy is to enhance mutual understanding through
> cooperation, promoting and continuously improving bilateral
> relations," the statement said.
>
> "And that also acts as the basis to settle the consequences from the
> past," it added.
>
> The Blade said it found the Army had investigated the unit for 4
> years, and found 18 soldiers had committed war crimes. But the Army
> filed no charges, and allowed soldiers who were under suspicion of
> committing war crimes to resign.
>
> The newspaper said the accusations against the unit included killing
> women and children, torturing prisoners and severing ears and scalps
> for souvenirs.
>
> The paper said the Army's investigation of Tiger Force found 27
> soldiers who said the severing of ears from dead Vietnamese was an
> accepted practice. One soldier told the newspaper that troops would
> wear necklaces of ears to scare Vietnamese civilians.
>
> The unit of 45 paratroopers was assigned to spy on enemy forces in
> Vietnam's Quang Ngai and Quang Nam provinces between May and November
> 1967, the newspaper said. Unit members told the newspaper that they
> faced frequent sniper fire and guerrilla attacks, with dozens of
> soldiers wounded and some killed.
>
> The Blade said it based its stories on interviews with more than 100
> Tiger Force members and Vietnamese civilians, as well as thousands of
> government documents, some still classified.
>
> Some 58,000 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War, while Hanoi says
> it lost three million civilians and military.
>
>
>
>
> Study: Agent Orange Lingers in Vietnam Food
> August 11, 2003
>
> HANOI (Reuters) - Vietnam War-era defoliant Agent Orange continues to
> contaminate livestock and fish eaten by Vietnamese decades after it
> was used, a study released on Monday showed.
>
> A 2002 study in Bien Hoa city, about 20 miles north of Ho Chi Minh
> City, formerly Saigon, showed residents and food had high levels of
> dioxin, the August issue of The Journal of Occupational and
> Environmental Medicine said.
>
> The report said about 95 percent of blood samples taken from 43 people
> in Bien Hoa "were found to have elevated TCDD levels," referring to
> the most toxic of the dioxins.
>
> "Although the spraying ended over three decades ago, in certain areas
> of Vietnam food is clearly a present-day route of intake of dioxin
> from Agent Orange," the study said.
>
> Tests on 16 food samples of chickens, ducks, pork, beef, fish and a
> toad from the city's markets, a lake and a nearby air base where Agent
> Orange had been stored found "markedly elevated" dioxin levels in six
> samples.
>
> Vietnam estimates more than one million of its people have been
> exposed to Agent Orange, used from 1962 to 1971 to strip trees and
> plants and deny communist fighters cover and food.
>
> The dioxin-containing Agent Orange, the spraying of which was stopped
> in 1971, got its name because of the colored stripes on its
> containers.
>
> U.S. embassy officials in Hanoi did not immediately have a comment on
> the report.
>
> +
>
> "The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
> by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
>
>
> The First Church of Common Sense
>
> Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
>
> Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
> Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs'
> "evildoers" who "hate our freedoms".
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html
>
> The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
> The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
> http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
>
>
>

The Bushist regime planned the California regime
change before the recall:


"You guys are the true terminators"
Speaking to US soldiers on a visit Baghdad.
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
-- (AP) JULY 4, 2003




"I think he'd be a good governor." President George W. Bush said on
Friday.
-- (REUTERS) 8/8/03

"‘That would be nice,’ Mr. Rove said of the prospect of a Governor
Schwarzenegger. ‘That would be really nice. That would be really,
really nice.’"
- New York Times 4/15/01

Schwarzenegger met in April with Karl Rove, President Bush's top
political adviser. White House officials said at the time that
Schwarzenegger simply dropped by to talk about an after-school program
that California voters approved last year and to see what he could do
to support U.S. troops overseas.
-- The Guardian UK 8/8/03

* "This is really wild driving around here (Iraq). I mean the poverty.
And you see there is no money. Disastrous financially. Then there is a
leadership vacuum. Pretty much like in California right now,"
Schwarzenegger said.
-- Reuters 7/4/03

* The advantages of Hollywood's Terminator suggest an unanticipated
windfall for George W. Bush…. George W. Bush welcomes anybody
invigorating a comatose California GOP.
-- Robert Novak townhall.com 8/14/03

* The California governorship would also give Bush a key
organizational base for fundraising and campaign activity in 2004. If
Schwarzenegger sweeps into office, bringing a wave of new voters with
him - and if the state's budget situation improves as a result of
either new policies or external forces - it could reap dividends for
the president.
-- Christian Science Monitor 8/14/03

* More from Schwarzenegger speaking to troops in Baghdad:
" First of all congratulations for saying hasta la vista (goodbye)
baby to Saddam Hussein. I came here from the United States because I
wanted to pump you all up," he said... Schwarzenegger said he could
not believe how he was frisked on airplanes on his way to Iraq. "I got
frisked so many times that I feel like the movie 'Freddy Got
Fingered'," he said to roars of laughter. "I tell you oil wells all
around. I have not seen that much oil since the last time I oiled up
for the Mr Universe contest." The Austrian-born actor told U.S.
soldiers "I'll be back," a phrase he uses in movies to rattle his
enemies.
-- Reuters 7/4/03

*The California recall and Arnold Schwarzenegger's candidacy have been
a boon to President Bush, pushing questions about Iraq ..out of the
nightly newscasts. "Arnold has become the weapon of mass distraction,
taking the heat off the Bush White House," Mr. Felling said… "Karl
Rove must be the luckiest man on the planet. The phrase 'yellowcake
uranium' has completely disappeared from the public lexicon," said
Martin Kaplan, associate dean of the University of Southern California
Annenberg School for Communication and director of the Norman Lear
Center.
-- The Washington Times 8/13/03

"Lay met secretly with California Republicans at the Beverly Hills
Hotel and pushed a plan that called for ratepayers to pay the billions
in debt racked up by the state's public utilities. The plan contended
that federal investigations of price gouging are hindering the
situation."
-- AP 6/21/01

* During a stop at a Los Angeles middle school, Schwarzenegger said he
didn't recall the meeting with Ken Lay. "I can't remember every
meeting I've had over the last 10 years," he said.
-- CNN 8/14/03

* I don't know who Senator Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, had in mind, but in
early July he introduced the "Equal Opportunity to Govern'' Amendment,
which, according to the Senator, would "amend the Constitution to
permit any person who has been a United States citizen for at least 20
years to be eligible for the Office of President." The bill has been
referred to the Judiciary Committee.
-- WorkingForChange 9/4/03

* During the run-up to George Bush's invasion of Iraq, right-wing
commentators, political pundits and Republican Party faithful blasted
the so-called Hollywood elite for speaking out against the
administration's hunger for war. Fox's fair and balanced Bill O'Reilly
called them "pinheads." Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and others --
found their own demeaning terms. A deck of anti-Hollywood playing
cards was created, and the Boycott Hollywood Web site went online with
a banner reading "Hey Hollywood....listen up!! You do not speak for
me!!" But now that many of these same pundits, columnists, radio and
television talk show hosts and GOP apparatchiks have latched onto to
their very own La La Land hunk, the anti-Hollywood silence is
deafening.
-- WorkingForChange 9/4/03

Published on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 by the Free Press
(Columbus, Ohio)
California Nightmare: Arnold Stalks for Bush 2004
by Harvey Wasserman

Arnold Schwarzenegger could insure another White House win for George
W. Bush.

Especially now that the courts say it's ok for large numbers of
citizens to have their votes not counted---votes that, in another
tight election or two, could give Arnold and Bush final control of
California and the nation.

Anyone who thinks that the White House and Karl Rove are not behind
the Schwarzenegger assault is not paying attention.

The Republican juggernaut now controls the governorships of New York,
Texas and Florida. With California they'd have the state houses of
America's four biggest states, plus the White House, Congress, the
Judiciary and the media. Is there another word for one party rule?



+

"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw


The First Church of Common Sense

Want to know what's REALLY going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html

Cowboys and Idiots: The Reagan Administration
Ronnies' "Brave freedom fighters" are now Bushs'
"evildoers" who "hate our freedoms".
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/reagan.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html