Who Wil Be Our New President; Post His Name;

[MORTARDUDE]

Excellent post David. I am sorry I ever voted for this loser.

Larry

[39mto39g]

Bush again--
The jobs lost in the last 3-4 years are mostly from the High tec bomb that dropped, The DOT.COM fall. Thats not Bush's falt. He is fixing the job loss.
I don't care if the demacrats spout a bunch of rederic they got from a dem. news paper. 10,000 words that don't mean nothin is just 10,000 words. And just because they say its the truth doesn't mean its the truth.
The curent recession we are in (if you can call it that) started under Bill Clinton and was excelerated by the DOT.COM bust and Enron. None of which is Bush's falt or the Rep party.

Tax cuts.
People that pay in $3,000. got a $600. (or so) refund The people that pay in 300,000 get a $30,000 refund, whats wrong with that. What do you think those people are going to do with there $30,000. ? They put it into there business, in the form of new quipment or employees, There not going to just put it in there bedding. Thats why the economy has risson.
The Dem. say that only Low and middle income Taxpayers should get refunds? I would ask, where is the cut off between middle and high income. Someone makes 75,000$ gets a refund and 76,000$ doesn't?. Refuneds have to be fair and across the board.

Ron

[Gimpy]

I could not have said it better myself!

[SuperScout]

Unless something akin to sanity, common sense and another political earthquake prevail, the election results of 1980 will be revisited again, with the Bush-Cheney ticket obviously victorious.
Bush vs. Kerrey - 54-48
Bush vs. Clark - 58-40
Bush vs. Edwards - 57-41

1. Immigration: this is a two-prong problem, requiring a two-prong solution - first find out who's here, then get them registered. Make them productive while they're here, then send them home. Part II - institute (while Part I is being done) a counterfeit-proof Visa system for all incoming visitors. Reinforce the Border Patrol, reinforce the border period. Both parties have played the ostrich on this problem for decades, and now its time to pay the piper. Bush is NOT proposing amnesty, proven again, if one just listened to the speech the other evening, as I did.

2. Beware of claims that 3 million jobs have been lost. What is not being told that during the same period, 2 million+ other jobs have been created, jobs that invariably are higher paying and not subject to be outsourced to Bangladesh. This part of our economy will continue to grow, especially with reallocation of NASA $$ to something other than orbiting the earth in obsolete vehicles.

3. Tax Cuts: Ron said it well. "You pays the taxes, you gets money back!" Duh to the tenth power. Wanna stifle economic growth? Have a tax increase! Or better yet, show me a nation that taxed themselves into prosperity. Tax cuts worked during the Kennedy administration, during the Reagan administration, and they're working now. We do need to cut spending $$ for obvious crap and pork, and both parties are guilty of their pet projects' funding.

4. National security: Kerry is an isolationist, Clark wants to recruit openly homosexual people, and Edwards? Haven't read much of his position, if he has one yet. History has demonstrated that the Democrat party is not all that successful in national security matters, and I have no reason to change my vote on this, the most crucial item on the table. Both Kerry and Edwards voted for the Patriot Act, and now both are waffling on its renewal status. What critics won't tell you is that the provisions of the Patriot Act that allow the FBI, for example, to conduct wiretap operations etc. is the exact same provision that allows the FBI to wiretap crime enterprises and other legitimate targets. But, gasp! it all has to be preceeded with a legitimate court order, duh to the tenth. If legitimate anti-crime methods are good enough for gangsters and pornographers, why can't we apply them to terrorists, or do terrorists deserve special treatment? Comparing a terrorist to a common criminal is not valid on its face, and to imply that a terrorist deserves due process, habeus corpus and other rights is pollyannish to a fault. They deserve corpus rega mortus, if anything.

5. Veterans issues: like the immigration situation, a multi-prong solution is called for - more money for treatment, more privatization. Veterans living in more remote places, having to travel to VA treatment centers, when a local physician or clinic could provide better care, would be much better served if simply given a "MasterCard," or similar all-expense-paid method, for treatment and meds, if needed. [Case in Point: Personally, I had to travel to San Antonio several weeks ago to get an MRI done, 65 miles one-way. On arriving at the Audie Murphy VA Hospital, I was appalled by the blase attitude of the employees, the filthy condition of the floors and walls, and the antiquated equipment they used. Then last week, had to take my bride into a nearby emergency room due to her racing heart rate, and all the negative itmes I noticed at the VA hospital were nowhere in sight at this civilian facility.]

[BLUEHAWK]

Per Scout's order of the day I say it'll now be

Kerry vs Bush

Why...

-Kerry will have to get all of Gephardt's Union etc. delegates, he's the HHH of 2004. His VN service will co-opt the left leaning vet vote too.
-Dean is the Gene McCarthy of 2004.
-Leiberman, well, a nice sort of guy but a hair too partisan in a wrong sorta way for my taste, know what I mean Earl?
-Edwards, to the right flank march.
-Clark, don't get the commander's confidence? Don't get my nor 90% of the bros vote... period, end of sentence.
-Kucinich, I admire ya bro, hang in there, and get a wife/girlfriend/mistress/concubine... they have a salutary effect on a man's power of observation.
-Sharpton, nice joke guy, real nice joke.

So, in the end, unless the GOP does something to themselves or the Dems do something real down and dirty to the GOP... Dubya gets it.

I shall be might grateful if'n he does.

[BLUEHAWK]

p.s.
Oh yeah...

-Moseley-Braun, ya never shoulda said mean and bad thangs about the Confederacy ole girl... it don't pay.

[SuperScout]

As usual, enjoyed your perceptiveness about the upcoming jousting event, and probably outcomes. And now, just a tad bit of rejoinder:

Kerry - unions' effect has been marginalized, as Little Dick Gephardt will testify. There will be more "Gone Fishin'! signs on union halls this year. Once the real truth about Kerry and his Vietnam anti-war days gets out, there will be a falling away of much of his support from that group, if he ever had it to begin with.

Dean - Howard the Self-Incinerator says it all.

Lieberman - he'll be the next drop-out after NH polls. I've seen yellowing wallpaper exude more charisma.

Edwards - nice suit, but not to be taken seriously. Maybe 4 years from now, if he gets some more experience besides chasing ambulances.

Clark - betcha he doesn't get 1% of his former troops' vote, and he dang well won't get mine. Arrogance is a marvelous deselector.

Kucinich - if anyone ever wondered about "Governor Moonbeam," good ol' Jerry Brown, hav no fear, he's been transformed and mongrelized into Dennis the Weird. And no Urban Myth: Dennis is the reason why the Communist Party USA isn't fielding a candidate this year, as he's co-opted their platform.

Sharpton - needs to get a real job for a change. He's leeched off the backs of Blacks for too long, and doesn't understand that the White House doesn't provide training wheels.

Mostly-Brawn - gone, and certainly forgotten!

[HARDCORE]

Opinions, polls, rhetoric and the friendly bet, are all well and good, but in politics, nothing (not even the popular vote apparently) is a sure thing (ref-2000 AD)!!

We will all just have to wait and see, won't we?

And for the record, and this is not partisan in nature, Kerry is still a damned good man - "One who paid his dues!!" And this one - nobody can deny

VERITAS

[Keith_Hixson]

So she can run in 2007!

I really believe she wants Bush to win. If the Democrat is elected she'll never have a chance at the Presidency. She'll probably run as a vice president nomination this time around. Hoping for a loss so she can run in 2007.

Keith

[David]

39mto39g if you worked in the industry maybe you would have a better idea of what is going on in it.

Deregulation under Bush had a huge impact on the so called "dot.com bust". Before Bush most of the monopolies, opps I mean, large corporations in the IT industry had checks and balances in place to let the smaller companies compete. One example is the Bell's. They were required to share infrastructure with the smaller companies and were also required to sell off portions of their holdings to avoid strangulation in the marketplace. Once Bush was in this all changed.

Locally I can give you an example of what happened within about 6 months of deregulation. All of the Bells re-absorbed the spin offs and layed off tons of workers hired at the spin offs. Next in line was getting rid of the smaller companies. They collapsed one after another out here. I went from making $300 to $500 a day (usually at the top end and many times above it) contracting for several large local and international companies to not being able to find a job in this same time period. I don't mean I would not take a lesser paying job but when the pay goes from an average of $400 a day down to less then $80 a day, well you do the math. Try that out in your line of work and see how it goes down with the boys.

Now those same companies today line up for mega tax breaks also supplied by Bush. They are taking our money in the front door and there is stays because here is the rub 39mto39g, they are now exporting jobs at the rate of thousands per week overseas to garner even greater profits. To help accelerate this process work visas for the IT industry have been increased at least 6 fold. Not only are the jobs being slipped out the back door, they are importing workers at a third our pay to take the few jobs left here.

We built this industry in the United States and we should protect our market and our workers. The U.S. military built the internet. I went to work with my mom in the 70's were she programmed mainframes before there was such a thing as the pc. I wrote my first program in Basic in the eight grade during the advent of logo. I have had every incarnation of the pc you can and can't name and I have supported the industry from the inside as well as from the outside. Now fat cat politicians, hand in hand with greedy fathers, have sold theirs sons out (thats me and everyone else screwed in the IT world) without a second though.

The same thing has happened to the steel industry and the auto industry. We revolutionize the world and then sell out our own people, the very people that made it happen, for a fast buck overseas.

I could present case after case of this happening in so many companies in the US you would not have time to read it in a day but if you don't see the forest for the trees now then you have chosen not too and I nor anyone else will be able to help you see.