Honoring american flags

[Jerry D]

Why of course Mike the Scots invented the St. Andrews Cross Flag

[BLUEHAWK]

Yup, this was just the first time I had seen so many flying all at one time and place! Amazing... quite a nice banner.

[Jerry D]

One of My ancestors 7 generations back came from Scotland .Isaac Haire Brown (b.1806)and around 1820 he Married Mary Mooney in Warren County Tenn. where they had a few kids before moving to Missouri around 1848 to Rolla,Phelps Co. Missouri where they had some more kids all in all they had 12 children by 1852.

[BLUEHAWK]

Nope, Ms. Mooney was givin' the camera THE LOOK there wasn't she...

Our heritage resembles one another's some... but the paternal kin came from County Down, Eire, after having crossed that channel from Scotland ages earlier... to the colonies in 1742 and headed up near Gettsyburg, while the maternals made a similar migration inland through Tennessee, Kentucky and to the Ozarks (MO & AR), where most of the maternal bunch still resides since about that same mid-1800s period. One branch got hooked up a few times with Cherokee, like a lot of what was common then, most recently in the early 20th century.

No wonder I was confused...not no more though!

[the humper]

Your post of 8-28. Item #4 on Breckenridge. Small world, served with his great grandson in K. Several of us, including him got roughed up a bit on a night patrol, which sent him back to recoup. He then returned to another Company and was KIA on 10-9-51.
SF
NC

[BLUEHAWK]

Here we go again!

Presidential "hopeful" Dean utters a sentence about wanting to bring Confederates into the fold, then gets attacked everywhere by the usual subjects using the usual words, then he hits the deck when the s--t hits the fan... other hopeless "hopefuls" pointing the fickle finger of infamy in his chest.

[Desdichado]

Well, I've read through the whole thread, and all the usual arguments are here.

Except one.

A flag means what popular opinion perceives it to mean. Not what the people who designed it were thinking of. Not what the people who carried it believed. Not even what common sense tells us it stands for.

Suppose the local government in Bavaria were flying the swastika because, so they argued, it was part of their heritage. Outrageous. Only Nazis associate the swastika with German unification; to the rest of us it is a symbol of hate and repression. There are no swastikas flying over WW2 German war dead.

Symbols of the Confederacy are never going to be accepted because they are always going to be associated, rightly or wrongly, with slavery. There's no getting around it. It did not survive beyond the war, and there is thus no other context in which to place it for the average person. Its adoption by white supremacists hasn't done it any favors either.

The arguments that the war was about Union and not slavery will inevitably fall on deaf ears. It doesn't even matter if the arguments are correct. All of the Confederate states were slave-holders and thus, since the Confederacy did not survive to stand for anything else, this is what people will associate it with.

A moth-eaten rag on a worm-eaten pole
Does not seem likely to stir a man's soul;
But 'tis the deeds that were done 'neath that moth-eaten rag
When the pole was a staff - and the rag was a flag.

[BLUEHAWK]

Des -

The only thing I might add to the discussion is that, actually, those of us who hold that ideal and banner dear do not care if it is ever accepted or not.

Typically, it is not we who ever bring it back to the fore... it brings itself.

" 'tis the deeds that were done..."

[the humper]

Good post, but I have another understanding, It's not what is popular opinion, but what "I" take it to mean!!!!!
SF
NC

[BLUEHAWK]

Thing is, I just cannot see where the harm is being done for some of us to have it, maybe even to fly or show it all we want... kinda makes me wonder sometimes just how "secure" the other guys truly are in their certainty...

No biggie... it's been a lot of years, and it'll be a lot more...