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Old 03-19-2005, 06:26 AM
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Default Theoretical Chinese troop movement capabilities

off the cuff figures
( I got this done from total scratch in less than three hours, so be nice.)

REMEMBER: This is theoretical and OFF THE CUFF.
Theoretical Chinese troop movement capabilities on the Euro/Asian continent:

100,000 railway cars:
can move 10,000,000 troops one-way, 7,000 miles, every two weeks.

540,000 trucks:
can move 32,000,000 troops 7,000 miles, every two weeks

260,000 buses:
can move 26,000,000 troops 7,000 miles every two weeks .

5,000 aircraft:
can move 800,000 troops every 18-24 hours.

1,000 ships can move 400,000 troops one way, every two weeks .

Start on page 65 fer supporting references: http://morningcoffee.net/modules.php...=asc&start=960

Some more references will be found on preceding pages.

Regarding Taiwan: They have a more than theoretical TWO MILLION troop, FIRST LIFT , over the horizon capability.
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Old 03-19-2005, 06:50 AM
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We have good nuclear capability close at hand so they can move all they want and we will remove them just as fast if it comes to that.
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They have three hundred of their own, and a good many are pointed in our general direction, plus they are buying technology from Russia, who has a new missle that is almost impossible to intercept.

That baby is FAST

The numbers I figured on above are based upon in place infrastructures and in force treaties in Euro-Asia. China has increased it's military spending by double digits every year for more than a decade. It has put in place a system wherein all of it's citizens, and most of it's economy, are a part of it's military build-up. It's civilian infrastructure is designed for dual use, military/civilian applications. It has also integrated it's civilian population into it's military on a village/company level. In essence, everyone in China (1.2 billion people) is in the "National Guard." It has openly bragged since the nineteen-sixties that it can field a two hundred million man army. It is also one of the three fastest growing economies in the world. Russia and India are the other two. All three are in direct competition for the resources available, including oil, gas, and water. (The nuclear cold war between Pakistan and India is based primarily upon what we would call 'water rights.')
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and in the book of Revelations millions of Chinese heading to the Middle east will be a herald of Armageddon ,something scary to think about ,Huh? And now we know what they will be coming there for "OIL" ......
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All ICBMs are "FAST". In fact they travel into low earth orbit and reach about 17,000 miles an hour before re-entry. The multiple warhead capability of the later missiles make them harder targets to acquire hence the star wars programs brilliant rocks and smart pebbles and the ballistic missile missile shield they have evolved into today.

The primary targets of our fist strike capability will render much of their command and control useless in the early going. The numbers they have will mean little to nothing with out marching orders and if we fully commit to the actions we have stated we would take in defense of Taiwan etc. the first strike will be far from the last.

I am not impressed by Chinas numbers. We have a delightfully efficient meat grinder for such numbers. If in doubt, refer to the Gulf War of 1991.

Would untold millions if not a billion people die in a all out war with China? Of course they would so let's just keep selling them Big Mac's, invite them to our churches, practice Tai Chi, and pray for the best
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This is worth taking note of a serious and legitimate threat assessment.

David, the Chinese took note of GW1.

They now have a very modern and a very high-tech military industrial complex...

Start on page 64. Catch up a bit, will ya?

http://morningcoffee.net/modules.php...=asc&start=945

Russia's new missile moves quite a bit faster than 17,000 mph. There is nothing presently in anyone's arsenal that can even hope to intercept it. They're selling military technology to the Chinese. Their new missle technology is on the table.

I wouldn't have said what I said if I hadn't done the research.

I have now offered a url regarding the reasons for my conclusions. I invite you to start from there and then do your own research and analyze the data yourself.

China has been on a wartime economy for ten years. Every Chinese citizen is a member of what we call The National Guard.

Do not lightly dismiss them. It will be a rather serious mistake.
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If Russia's new missle moves faster than escape velocity we won't have to worry about anything unless it hits one of our satellites in orbit. It certainly won't be coming back down once it escapes the gravitational field of the earth.
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Moving that fast and making a correction could cause it to fly apart. That's like putting wings on a bullet.
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17,000 mph is about orbital velocities in a vaccum

The missile they have can also reach 5-12 times the speed of sound in atmosphere. Altogether, the entire package is an entirely new type of missile technology.

We in the west do not yet have all of the details of it's exact capabilities. All that is openly known is that it is hypersonic, and that it is much faster than any technology that we have that can intercept it.


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Click to View Search Results for Russia+new+missile Google: Russia+new+missile
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This is the version that we do know about:
SS-27


Country: Russian Federation
Alternate Name: Topol-M, RS-12M1/M2
Class: ICBM
Basing: Silo based, road mobile
Payload: Single warhead
Warhead: Nuclear 550 kT
Length: 21.90 m
Diameter: 1.90 m
Launch Weight: 47,200 kg
Propulsion: 3-stage solid
Range: 10,500 km
Status: Operational
In Service: 1997


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Russian Designation: RS-12M1/-12M2 Topol-M

The Russian SS-27, or Topol-M, is an intercontinental-range, ground-based, solid propellant ballistic missile. It represents the pinnacle of ballistic missile technology, incorporating modern fuel and warhead designs, as well as being capable of being launched from both missile silos and Transporter-Erector-Launcher (TEL) vehicles. Current Russian accounts stress that the SS-27 is invulnerable to any modern anti-ballistic missile (ABM) defenses. Yuriy Solomonov, director of the Moscow Institute of Heat Technology and designer-general of the Topol family of missiles, has stated that the SS-27 will be the foundation of the Russian strategic nuclear arsenal by 2015.

The SS-27 is currently portrayed by Russian accounts as being immune to any ABM defense the United States can put into being. The missile is capable of making evasive maneuvers as it approaches its target, enabling it to evade any terminal phase interceptors. It almost certainly also carries countermeasures and decoys to decrease the chances of a successful targeting. The missile is shielded against radiation, electromagnetic interference and physical disturbance; previous missiles could be disabled by detonating a nuclear warhead within ten kilometers. This vulnerability is the basis behind the use of nuclear ground-based and orbital interceptors, to detonate or damage the missile before it reaches its target. However, the SS-27 is designed to be able to withstand nuclear blasts closer than 500 m, a difficult interception when combined with the terminal phase speed and maneuverability. While the boost phase is the most vulnerable time for the SS-27, it remains protected. Hidden safely within missile silos and mobile launchers, a successful boost-phase interceptor would have to be fired from near or within Russian borders or from space. And the SS-27 is also designed to survive a strike from any laser technology available, rendering any current space-based laser useless. The missile highlights the need for considerably more research into missile defenses, as the United States is currently defenseless while Russia is protected by a functional defense system.

The SS-27 can currently strike any target within the continental United States. The deployment from hardened silos and hidden TEL vehicles makes it nearly impossible to successfully prevent launch and current ABM technology is insufficient to prevent its successful impact. As a solid propellant design, it can be maintained on alert for prolonged periods of time and can launch within minutes of being given the order. Its confirmed single 550 kT warhead is sufficient for the depopulation of cities, which combined with its survivability, makes it an ideal retaliatory weapon. The SS-27 enables Russia to guarantee a successful nuclear response.

The SS-27 also has considerable utility as a first strike weapon. A successful first strike hinges upon the destruction of the enemy nuclear force, and the SS-27 should be capable of that task. Though its reported accuracy is insufficient for this, current guidance technology could easily be used to develop this capacity. The accuracy of 350 m CEP reported is strangely low given previous US and Russian missile designs with considerably higher accuracy. With a higher accuracy, the single warhead load would be easily sufficient to destroy a missile silo, but the placement of Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicles (MIRVs) would allow for the destruction of entire missile groups. The SS-27 design is easily compatible for MIRV warheads, though it must sacrifice its ability to penetrate ABM defense systems. Solomonov has stated openly that the TEL launched SS-27 will carry four to six warheads along with decoys, which implies the same capability for the silo-launched version.

The SS-27 has a range of 10,500 km (6524 miles) and is reported to typically be equipped with a 550 kT yield nuclear warhead. Unconfirmed reports suggest a yield of 1 MT has been achieved, as well as the placement of up to six MIRV warheads. These enhancements likely come at the cost of reducing the shielding around the warhead and removing the decoys, rendering the missile vulnerable to ABM defenses. It uses a Post-Boost Vehicle (PBV) system to deploy its warhead(s) using a digital inertial navigation system with a GLOSNASS (equivalent to Global Position Satellite) receiver. This achieves a reported accuracy of 350 m CEP, but this accuracy is lower than is reasonable to believe, given modern guidance systems and previous US and Russian missiles. It has a launch weight of 47,200 kg with a length of 21.9 m and a maximum width of 1.9 m. It uses a three-stage solid propellant engine.

The development of the SS-27 began in the late 1980s, though it was redesigned in 1992 as the first totally Russian designed and built missile. The first test launch occurred in December 1994 with the first testing of the TEL vehicle version nearly six years later. The first two SS-27 missiles entered service in 1997 in modified SS-19 silos. The first silo-based missile regiment was declared operational in 1998, with a second in 1999, a third in 2000 and a fourth in 2003. The first TEL versions entered service in 2001. It was originally planned to build 350 missiles, but this has been amended to the construction of 50 missiles by 2005. A sea-based version is under development under the name Bulava.

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Read some of the data but find this disturbing:

Subtitle: The Russians have developed and deployed a supersonic cruise missile that travels so quickly as to defeat the U.S. Navy anti-missile defenses. This supersonic cruise missile also can carry a nuclear warhead. China has this Russian cruise missile! Is this why Chinese military leaders have warned us that, if we defend Taiwan, our Naval forces "die"?

I hope we have a counter program to offset this capability they seem to have at this time. But why would Russia let China have this technology - unless they developed it first?

Scary stuff -
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