An Kay

[39mto39g]

We were working with the Cav for awhile,
As I recall the 1/10 cav, I think thats what it said on there APCs.

They were getting support form a cav Helicoper unit something Shamrocks.
I road in a APC for about a mile trying to get comunications with BN before I asked to be let out, that thing was like riding in a giant oven .
I got a ride on one of there choppers and finnaly got comunications with BN and through BN , our mortars, I was like a command unit flying way above and talking to BN. Didn't last long though, we got a relay set up with some ARVN unit in the area, talk about confuzing, worse that talking to 101 guys on the radio.


Ron

[1CAVCCO15MED]

Probably wasn't the 1st Cav. They didn't have any armor of any kind back them. The 11th Armored Cav Rgt was temporarily assigned to them in III Corps. 1/10th was not a 1st Cav unit.

[Bill Farnie]

1/10th Cav was a 4th ID unit and this link is for the Shamrocks which was the Air Cavalry Troop of the 4th ID

http://www.armyflightschool.org/vietnam/110thcav.htm

[39mto39g]

1CAVCCO15MED
Just what are you saying dude?
That the APC that I road in didn't exist, That there was no Mec armord unit with the 4th that was Cav. well I guess that ether I was seeing somthing that wasn't there or maybe you might be WRONG?
You know, I was looking through my pictures and it said D troop

Maybe you weren't with the Cav.

Listen, that was not called for, You served well and maybe you just might be misstaken
Ron

[Packo]

Ron,

Back off Doc Fred for Christs sake. He mearly pointed out to you what I was going to after reading your post. You did not ride with a First Air Cavalry Division, note the word AIR, you were with someone else, which you would have figgured out if you would have read Bill's reply. We had NO APC'S in the First Air Cav. In Tay Ninh we worked with the 11TH Armoured Cav. Regiment, and they had APC'S. (members of the 11th are eligible for membership in the 1st Cav Div Assoc). Just because it was a Cavalry unit in Vietnam, that doesn't mean it was in the 1st AC Div. As Bill pointed out, it was a unit of your own division. DMZ-LT was in a Cavalry Unit....but not the First Cav. He didn't attack you but your always on the defensive.

Pack

[39mto39g]

Pac
If you read my post instead of just thinking it says something. I said , "Listen, that was not called for, You served well and maybe you just might be misstaken". to 1CAVCCO15MED .


No where did I say I road with the air cav. I said it said 1/10 on the APCs, now I have no Idea if that was an air cav unit or not but 1/10 was with the 3rd BRG 4th inf , Believe it or not?

I went and found my 4th inf book and below is a picture of units with the 4th.
unless , of course , a "armored recconnaissance unit, 1st squaddron, 10th cavalry" isn't really a 1st Cav unit?
Ron

ps,
as far as the Shamrocks thing goes, I don't really remember Shamrock, I do recall a 4 leaf clover and a bunch of other names on the front of helichopters, So as far as the Shamrocks goes they may or maynot have been there.

[Packo]

Ron,

You said, "...that was not called for". What was not called for???? He was saying it wasn't a First Cav Division.....First Cav Disvision, unit. Not that you didn't ride the apc, not that it wasn't a 4th Div unit.... that it wasn't First Cav. That is all he pointed out and as it turned out, he was right. The you said, "maybe you weren't with the Cav". What was the implication there? If I was posting that I worked with a mech unit in Tay Ninh, gave some units number and emblem, and someone from the 25th said it probably wasn't a unit of the 25th, I would thank them for clarifing, not question that they were in the 25th. Get the difference? He wasn't calling you a liar, he was just giving you info as to who it probably wasn't. You posted it as some sort of question as to who the unit was and Doc and Bill mearly gave you info.

Pack

[39mto39g]

I went looking for units assigned to the 4th and in the 4ths Order of Battle I found
Battle

Prepared by:
Roger S. Barton, Executive Director
National 4th Infantry (IVY) Division Association

DIVISION COMMANDERS
Brigadier General David O. Byars Aug. 66
Major General Arthur S. Collins, Jr. Sept. 66
Major General William R. Peers Jan. 67
Major General Charles P. Stone Jan. 68
Major General Donn R. Pepke Dec. 68
Major General Glenn D. Walker Nov. 69
Major General William A. Burke July 70
Brigadier General Maurice K. Kendall (acting) Dec. 70

ELEMENTS: Vietnam Service
Division HQ and HQ Company 09/25/66 - 12/07/70
1st Brigade HQ and HQ Company 10/04/66 - 12/07/70
2nd Brigade HQ and HQ Company 08/10/66 - 12/07/70
3rd Brigade HQ and HQ Company 10/09/66 - 04/15/70
Division Artillery HQ and HQ Battery 10/04/66 - 12/07/70
Division Support Command and HQ & HQ Co. 10/04/66 - 12/07/70

Division Headquarter Locations in Vietnam
Pleiku Sept 66 - Feb 68
Dak To March 68
Pleiku April 68 - Feb 70
An Khe / Pleiku March 70
An Khe April 70 - Dec 70

4th INFANTRY DIVISION ORDER OF BATTLE:
ASSIGNED AND ATTACHED UNITS

INFANTRY BATTALIONS & NICKNAMES
1st Battalion 8th Infantry Bullets
2nd Battalion 8th Infantry - Mechanized Panthers
3rd Battalion 8th Infantry Dragoons
1st Battalion 12th Infantry Red Warriors
2nd Battalion 12th Infantry + White Warriors
3rd Battalion 12th Infantry Braves
1st Battalion 14th Infantry * Golden Dragons
1st Battalion 22nd Infantry Regulars
2nd Battalion 22nd Infantry + Triple Deuces
3rd Battalion 22nd Infantry + Regulars
1st Battalion 35th Infantry * Cacti Green
2nd Battalion 35th Infantry * Cacti Blue

DIVISION SUPPORT
4th Engineer Battalion
4th Medical Battalion
4th Supply & Transport Battalion, Strength Through Support
124th Signal Battalion
704th Maintenance Battalion
4th Administration Company
4th Military Police Company
4th Military Intelligence Company, Motto: First to Know
374th Army Security Agency Company

ARTILLERY BATTALIONS & NICKNAMES
2nd Battalion 9th Artillery (105mm) * Mighty Ninth
5th Battalion 16th Artillery (155mm M109 Self propelled Howitzer, 8 inch M110 Self Propelled Howitzer)
6th Battalion 29th Artillery (105mm) Can Do
4th Battalion 42nd Artillery (105mm)
2nd Battalion 77th Artillery (105mm) +

ARMOR BATTALIONS & NICKNAMES
2nd Battalion 34th Armor Dreadnaughts +
1st Battalion 69th Armor * Black Panthers

DIVISION RECONNAISSANCE & NICKNAMES
1st Squadron 10th Cavalry (Armored) Buffaloes
Company E,20th Inf. (Long Range Patrol)
Company E,58th Inf. (Long Range Patrol)
Company K,75th Inf. (Ranger)

DIVISION AVIATION & NICKNAMES
4th Aviation Battalion
Company A, The Black Jacks
Company B, The Gambler Guns

OTHER UNITS ON TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENT
8th Psychological Operations Battalion
2nd Squadron, 1st Cavalry (Armored) Blackhawks
3rd Battalion 506th Inf. (Airmobile)
1st Battalion 50th Inf. (Mechanized)
64th IPCT (Infantry Platoon Combat Tracker)

* Arrived from the 25th Infantry Division in August 1967
+ Transferred to the 25th Infantry Division in August 1967

[b3196]

Paco...Packy...Pack.... I rode in a truck once, well I think it was a truck, with the 18th Eng Bgde up in Tay Ninh Province. Then it was the 196th LIB.......
Bob K

[Packo]

Bob,

The 196th was never in the First Cav Division and the division's engineers were the 8th. Were you even in Vietnam?

Pack