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Old 06-06-2005, 11:53 AM
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MSNBC analyst Pat Buchanan, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh, and conservative author and TV personality Ben Stein suggested that, through their role in exposing the Watergate scandal, which resulted in the resignation of President Richard Nixon, newly disclosed "Deep Throat" W. Mark Felt and Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were responsible for the fall of South Vietnam and the genocide in Cambodia that left approximately 1.7 million people dead.

This has been reported on MSNBC, NBC, CNN, FOX-NEWS and several other major networks.

I can not believe the Right-WingNuts have stooped this low!

I submit that Buchanan, Limbaugh and Stein are now the grand prize winners of the Dan Quayle Potatoe trophy. And we can retire that trophy now thank you very much.

The irrationality and hypocricy of the Rightwingnuts has never been in such stark contrast. These people have NO use for human life, the Constitution, or rule of law. They only worship tyranny by their "party", and blind obedience to the glorious leader.

The funny thing about these self-righteous conservatives: According to them, no Republican is ever wrong or guilty about anything! Every bad thing that ever happened in the world was done by Democrats!

If the facts don't fit their view, they just twist everything around. In their minds, they make Nixon the hero and his whistleblower the evildoer!

ANOTHER EXAMPLE: To them, Linda Tripp (who "ratted" on Clinton) is a hero, but Deep Throat (who "ratted" on Nixon) is a scoundrel!!

Nixon, who committed actual crimes, is innocent and Clinton, who was one of billions of men to commit adultery, is the devil! You can't have it both ways, you guys!

And why stop at only these examples of glaring hypocrisy.

Like ......"The issue before us is federal spending for stem cell research. I don't believe the Government should spend money on something which destroys life" (unless that life is in Iraq, adjacent to perceived WMD's....of which there were none.... tyrants);

or

Rushing back to photo opp signing legislation to spare one person in a permanent vegetative state - against her own wishes as presented by her husband and upheld in 15 separate court hearings - doing so based on reverence for life, when the same fraud had signed legislation a few years earlier in his "home state" allowing hospitals to pull plugs on people based on ability to pay.

or

Citing "Amnesty International" reports on pre-war Iraq to support war with Iraq, then disparaging "Amnesty International" reports when they decry the internment camp network set up to deal with the "Not-really-prisonsers-of-war"-detainees.

or

Blasting Clinton over a handful of bj's in the oval office, but ignoring a gay hooker with no journalistic expertise being given free press passage in and out of the Bush White House over a two year period.

or

Blasting Clinton over not copping to "inhaling" and "draft evasion," while passing li'l George W on booze (and other substances), and prolonged reservist absences following obvious string pulling to get the low scoring applicant into the reserves in the first place

or

Blasting Clinton over Whitewater, but staring blankly when the Harken Energy share sell-off is mentioned.

or

claiming that a 51-48 percentage point win is a mandate to radically re-form the country, while back pedaling and saying that poll numbers showing a 60-40 percent disapproval rating over the Iraq war means the country is 'evenly divided" on Bush foreign policy.

Every society in history has been well stocked with sycophantic followers who cannot abide true FREEDOM, and long for domination.

What makes America's Rightwingers so hard to understand is that America has made the realization of FREEDOM so clear and statutory, they have much more to tear down in order to install their preferred despotism. (Thank God!)

That we are allowing them to tear down our freedom and democracy, piece by piece, is to our everlasting shame. That the Rightwingnuts cannot abide freedom is just a shame in and of itself.

And those who abide by or accept these idiots as "spokesmen" for their so-called "cause" can count themselves as just as guilty as they are!

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Old 06-06-2005, 02:57 PM
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Ahhh, yes, how history gets spun again. And what crimes, pray tell, was Nixon convicted of? And have you forgotten, conveniently, or are you going to blame it on your advanced age, that Clinton has an obstruction of justice and perjury charge on his rap sheet?

Why should the government spend one cent on stem cell research? Can you spell p-r-i-v-a-t-e e-n-t-e-r-p-r-i-s-e?

Did you forget about your earlier self-righteous little hand-wringing about name-calling, over on another thread? Another case of galloping senility?

Do you really believe what Amnesty International said about our Gitmo being comparable to the Soviet gulags?

If conservatives have no use for human life, as you erroneously claim, why did we struggle so for the very life of Terri Schiavo?

And since you have such difficulty getting your facts and statements straight, much less punctuated properly, I'll leave you to your little dark room while you wallow in your own hatred.

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Originally posted by SuperScout Ahhh, yes, how history gets spun again. And what crimes, pray tell, was Nixon convicted of? And have you forgotten, conveniently, or are you going to blame it on your advanced age, that Clinton has an obstruction of justice and perjury charge on his rap sheet?

Hmmmmmmmmmm, lemme see heanh now. The ONLY reason Nixon was NOT "convicted" of "high crimes" and "treason" was because President Gerald Ford, on September 8, 1974 granted him a "full pardon"... See below.


"President Ford's Pardon of Richard Nixon

September 8, 1974

Now, therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from July (January) 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this eighth day of September, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and seventy-four, and of the Independence of the United States of America the one hundred and ninety-ninth."

END QUOTE!"

And HERE is what he was pardoned FOR...since you seem to have conveniently forgotten!


Articles of Impeachment Adopted by the Committee on the Judiciary:

July 27, 1974


Article 1

RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours, and that the following articles of impeachment to be exhibited to the Senate:
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST RICHARD M. NIXON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOURS.

ARTICLE 1

In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his consitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:

On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence.

Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities.


The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan included one or more of the following:

making false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings;

interfering or endeavouring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States,

the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees;

approving, condoning, and acquiescing in, the surreptitious payment of substantial sums of money for the purpose of obtaining the silence or influencing the testimony of witnesses, potential witnesses or individuals who participated in such unlawful entry and other illegal activities;

endeavouring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States;

disseminating information received from officers of the Department of Justice of the United States to subjects of investigations conducted by lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States, for the purpose of aiding and assisting such subjects in their attempts to avoid criminal liability;

making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct: or

endeavouring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favoured treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.

In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

Adopted 27-11 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, at 7.07pm on Saturday, 27th July, 1974, in Room 2141 of the Rayburn Office Building, Washington D.C.
Listen to the roll call of the Judiciary Committee on the First Article of Impeachment

Listen to the Announcement of the Vote


Article 2

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

This conduct has included one or more of the following:

He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents,

endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office;

he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office;

and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.

He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, authorized and permitted to be maintained a secret investigative unit within the office of the President, financed in part with money derived from campaign contributions, which unlawfully utilized the resources of the Central Intelligence Agency, engaged in covert and unlawful activities, and attempted to prejudice the constitutional right of an accused to a fair trial.

He has failed to take care that the laws were faithfully executed by failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavoured to impede and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive, judicial and legislative entities concerning the unlawful entry into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, and the cover-up thereof, and concerning other unlawful activities including those relating to the confirmation of Richard Kleindienst as Attorney General of the United States, the electronic surveillance of private citizens, the break-in into the offices of Dr. Lewis Fielding, and the campaign financing practices of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

In disregard of the rule of law, he knowingly misused the executive power by interfering with agencies of the executive branch, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Criminal Division, and the Office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, of the Department of Justice, and the Central Intelligence Agency, in violation of his duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

Adopted 28-10 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.


Article 3

In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, contrary to his oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has failed without lawful cause or excuse to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives on April 11, 1974, May 15, 1974, May 30, 1974, and June 24, 1974, and willfully disobeyed such subpoenas.

The subpoenaed papers and things were deemed necessary by the Committee in order to resolve by direct evidence fundamental, factual questions relating to Presidential direction, knowledge or approval of actions demonstrated by other evidence to be substantial grounds for impeachment of the President.

In refusing to produce these papers and things Richard M. Nixon, substituting his judgment as to what materials were necessary for the inquiry, interposed the powers of the Presidency against the the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representatives, thereby assuming to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives.

In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

Adopted 21-17 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.




Why should the government spend one cent on stem cell research? Can you spell p-r-i-v-a-t-e e-n-t-e-r-p-r-i-s-e?

I never said they should, did I? (Even though I believe it may be the right thing to do.) The P-O-I-N-T was (D-U-H) the "hypocricy" used to describe the "sanctity of life" in comparison to the wholesale killing of civilians using lies, deception and misinformation regarding WMD's!

Did you forget about your earlier self-righteous little hand-wringing about name-calling, over on another thread? Another case of galloping senility?

Nope..............just calling a "wingnut" a "Rightwingnut" is merely a characterizational adjective description of factual conclusion(s) drawn from their irrational and erratic behavioral conduct .


Do you really believe what Amnesty International said about our Gitmo being comparable to the Soviet gulags?

What I believe is of no consequence. I have not had the opportunity to "view" or "experience" the conditions described. This was (once again) merely a means to show the "hypocricy" of this administration with relations and conclusions drawn by Amnesty International and how they (Bush administration) "pick & choose" which "set of conditions" THEY WANT to achieve their underlying motive to accomplish whatever they feel needs to be done. Plain & simple.

If conservatives have no use for human life, as you erroneously claim, why did we struggle so for the very life of Terri Schiavo?

This had NOTHING to do with the "sanctity of life" and EVERYTHING to with rightwing fanatical christo-hypocrites and their "political" agendas!


And since you have such difficulty getting your facts and statements straight, much less punctuated properly, I'll leave you to your little dark room while you wallow in your own hatred.

My room is NOT dark..............you forget, I live in the "Sunshine State" and have large, picture windows in nearly every room in my humble abode. And, the only thing I "wallow" in is my heated swimming pool about 11 months out of the year! And.............the ONLY thing I really hate is misinformation and outright lies & deception!

And, all "facts & statements" above are "straight"...(well, the punctuation may not be....but that's ALL)......I defy you to prove where I'm WRONG!


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How in the world can anyone be held responsible for something that never happened? After all it?s ?ludicrous? to suggest that the Communists would go on a murderous rampage in SEA and we all know who had that posturing. Then of course some contemporary Hollywood limousine revolutionary-elitists claim it never happened or claim if it did, it was ?US Conservatives? that were operating the extermination camps. Such publicly expressed wisdom is sooooooo enlightening, eh. Kudos Ed Asner and Tommy Smothers. Clap, clap , clap, encore, encore.

For myself, I just accept the fact that our US Congress stood millions on a chair, put a noose around their necks, kicked the chair away then walked away to let them twist slowly in the wind to meet their fate.

So who cares who participated in the collective malaise that set the stage for the Asian Holocaust? I think it a major victory if just 20% of Americans knew about the Asian Holocaust at all, let alone all that came to pass before or since. But not to be, for sweeping that dirty little secret under the US carpet is more or less a long-term game to be played with no end in sight and no voice for the restless, numberless, souls we wish not to speak of or acknowledge.

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Originally posted by Seascamp How in the world can anyone be held responsible for something that never happened? After all it?s ?ludicrous? to suggest that the Communists would go on a murderous rampage in SEA and we all know who had that posturing. Then of course some contemporary Hollywood limousine revolutionary-elitists claim it never happened or claim if it did, it was ?US Conservatives? that were operating the extermination camps. Such publicly expressed wisdom is sooooooo enlightening, eh. Kudos Ed Asner and Tommy Smothers. Clap, clap , clap, encore, encore.

I am no more a compurgator for the above mentioned (Asner, Smothers, et al.) radical left leaning extremeist than I am of the radical rightwingnuts (Buchanan, Limbaugh and Stein) nor their less than scrupulous and totally unethical methods of attempting to re-write and/or ignore history.

I do NOT believe however that Asner, Smothers, et al.....carry the same "weight" in relation to having an influential effect to corrupt the facts for their own personal as well as their political affiliations gains.

These guys....(Buchanan, Limbaugh and Stein) are guilty of all the contemptible, despicable, worthless, obnoxious and outrageous behavior they're exhibiting and are worthy of every citizens condemnation and scorn!

For myself, I just accept the fact that our US Congress stood millions on a chair, put a noose around their necks, kicked the chair away then walked away to let them twist slowly in the wind to meet their fate.

Yep, the Congress, Nixon, Ford, the DOD, et al!


So who cares who participated in the collective malaise that set the stage for the Asian Holocaust? I think it a major victory if just 20% of Americans knew about the Asian Holocaust at all, let alone all that came to pass before or since. But not to be, for sweeping that dirty little secret under the US carpet is more or less a long-term game to be played with no end in sight and no voice for the restless, numberless, souls we wish not to speak of or acknowledge.

Evidently SOMEONE'S tryin to "dodge that bullet", huh? Why ELSE do you suppose the three fellows in question are SQUAWKING so LOUD, HUH?? Or.......do they just H-A-T-E that much???....GIMP

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Cannon on the left, cannon on the right?.through the valley?.etc.,etc.
All I know is that we have this collective void of knowledge covered by a rotten tarp of denial and misinformation. It?s isn?t all that hard to figure out who has been controlling Hollywood, the Media and public High School/University text books and class syllabus structure for the last three plus decades and the only victims have been the students. And the result has been the collective dumbing-down of what we really know of ourselves and the US role in the Asian Holocaust.

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Neither is it hard to figure out who is STILL trying to "controll" film, media, educational institutions and overall distribution of misinformation!

It's none OTHER than folks like Buchanan, Limbaugh, Stein, Novak, Coulter, O'Reiley, Hannaty, Will, Dobson, Roberts, Reed, Miller, Frist, and on, and on, and on!
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End of conversation! Carry on Mr. Gimpy, sorry to intrude upon your thread.

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