The truth will out......

Bush under oath
....................................
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_021804A.shtml

The Family Steering Committee believes that President Bush should provide
sworn public testimony
to the full ten-member panel of the National Commission on Terrorist
Attacks Upon the United States .
Collectively, the Commissioners are responsible for fulfilling the
Congressional mandate. Therefore, each
Commissioner must have full access to the testimony of all individuals and
the critical information that will
enable informed decisions and recommendations.

Before an audience of the American people, the Commission must ask
President Bush in sworn testimony,
the following questions:
--

"I’m very reluctant to ascribe thought to George Bush beyond anything he
actually says, and even then,
I don’t often believe him. I don’t know what’s in his heart. He says he
has a good heart, he’s a good man.
Let him think that if he wants. I’m interested in the results of his
policies. We don’t call him a liar in this book.
We don’t ever say he’s lying, because we don’t know what he’s thinking. We
don’t know what his consciousness is.
I do think that a man [that] tells us over and over again, “I’m 100
percent positive they have WMDs.” And then
instead of saying, “Oh I’m wrong and I’m sorry,” says “I’m 100 percent
sure they have weapons of mass production”
-- whatever that phrase was, isn’t someone who’s primary concern is that
he always is scrupulous to the truth...
That’s a kind of giveaway. But I really couldn’t give a shit what Bush
thinks or feels. I care what the results for the country are."
--Eric Alterman

>Subject: The truth will out......
>From: "Oklahoma Joe" ok-no-spam@okie.net

The truth will out. Hey Joe you've been outed. Your getting paid for posting
only anit Bush in a form that looks like an editorial. They aint real
editorials and you know it. You have no regards for FAQs of the newsgroups
where you are posting but prostitute anything for a buck.

I'm sure if you knew anything about Vietnam you would post it here but that
not your mission is it Joe. To anyone who follows me to one of Joe's post may
I suggest you kilfile him or all you will see later are the same diatribe.

"DLovick195" wrote in message
news:20040219174505.09014.00000010@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >Subject: The truth will out......
> >From: "Oklahoma Joe" ok-no-spam@okie.net
>
> The truth will out. Hey Joe you've been outed. Your getting paid for
posting
> only anit Bush in a form that looks like an editorial. They aint real
> editorials and you know it. You have no regards for FAQs of the
newsgroups
> where you are posting but prostitute anything for a buck.
>
> I'm sure if you knew anything about Vietnam you would post it here but
that
> not your mission is it Joe. To anyone who follows me to one of Joe's post
may
> I suggest you kilfile him or all you will see later are the same diatribe.


Sorry, as others here have noted...there is no FAQ for this news group...
except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
commentary

>Subject: Re: The truth will out......
>From: "redvet" redvet@l

>except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
>commentary

Where Joes' commenary? He's stickly cut ' paste.

He mimics the people who spam your mailbox with " you can be 3" longer in 30
days"

They spew spam for the dollars and the same with Joe. I don't mind
ligitemate debate but Joe's a parasite.

"DLovick195" wrote in message
news:20040220124528.19340.00000067@mb-m16.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: The truth will out......
> >From: "redvet" redvet@l
>
> >except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
> >commentary
>
> Where Joes' commenary? He's stickly cut ' paste.
>
> He mimics the people who spam your mailbox with " you can be 3" longer
in 30
> days"
>
> They spew spam for the dollars and the same with Joe. I don't mind
> ligitemate debate but Joe's a parasite.

I don't know, I've been accused of the same 'spam for the dollars' too...
the reality is that no one is gonna pay someone to post this stuff on the
internet. Joes stuff is fairly informative. True the Smirkingchimp.com has
a sharper edge (Bush bashing alert! Bush Bashing Alert!) but Joe's stuff has
a broader view. He also provides a clever cross section of the popular
media. From the beginning of his posts he, aleast, never claimed we would
find the dreaded "Weapons of Mass Destruction" - redvet

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 2155 -1000, "redvet" wrote:

>
>"DLovick195" wrote in message
>news:20040220124528.19340.00000067@mb-m16.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: The truth will out......
>> >From: "redvet" redvet@l
>>
>> >except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
>> >commentary
>>
>> Where Joes' commenary? He's stickly cut ' paste.
>>
>> He mimics the people who spam your mailbox with " you can be 3" longer
>in 30
>> days"
>>
>> They spew spam for the dollars and the same with Joe. I don't mind
>> ligitemate debate but Joe's a parasite.
>
>I don't know, I've been accused of the same 'spam for the dollars' too...
>the reality is that no one is gonna pay someone to post this stuff on the
>internet. Joes stuff is fairly informative. True the Smirkingchimp.com has
>a sharper edge (Bush bashing alert! Bush Bashing Alert!) but Joe's stuff has
>a broader view. He also provides a clever cross section of the popular
>media. From the beginning of his posts he, aleast, never claimed we would
>find the dreaded "Weapons of Mass Destruction" - redvet
>

No he didn't but, he did
and since you like cut & Paste
Here ya go



June 2003
Kerry Said It Would Be Irresponsible To Draw Conclusions That Suggest
President Misled On WMD. ABC’S GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: I know you said
you’re agnostic about whether or not he misled the public on weapons
of mass destruction. But do you have a hunch on whether you think they
hyped the intelligence?KERRY: George, again, I think it would be
irresponsible of me at this point to draw conclusions prior to all the
evidence being on the table.(ABC’s This Week,6/15/03)

March 2003
As War Began, Kerry Said Saddam Chose To Make Military Force The
Ultimate Weapons Inspections Enforcement Mechanism. Senator John F.
Kerry had lambasted Bush’s diplomatic efforts, despite voting last
fall in support of a congressional resolution authorizing military
action to disarm Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction. ‘It appears
that with the deadline for exile come and gone, Saddam Hussein has
chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections
enforcement mechanism,’ Kerry said. (Glen Johnson, Critics Of Bush
Voice Support For The Troops, The Boston Globe, 3/20/03)

Kerry Said Saddam Hussein’s WMD Are A Threat.I think Saddam Hussein’s
weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that’s why I voted to
hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him. I think
we need to (NPR’s All Things Considered, 3/19/03)

February 2003
Kerry Said Leaving Saddam Hussein Unfettered With Nuclear Weapons Or
Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Unacceptable. (Jill Lawrence, War Issue
Challenges Democratic Candidates, USA Today, 2/12/03)

Kerry Described Secretary Of State Colin Powell’s Evidence Of WMD In
Iraq As Real And Compelling.[Kerry] said the Bush administration has
taken too long to make its case for military action, ‘but nonetheless
I am glad we’ve reached this moment in our diplomacy.’ Kerry added:
‘Convincing evidence of Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass
destruction should trigger, I believe, a final ultimatum from the
United Nations for a full, complete, immediate disarmament of those
weapons by Iraq. Over the next hours, I will work with my colleagues
in the Senate to fully examine the evidence offered by the secretary
for a complete and close reading. But, on its face, the evidence
against Saddam Hussein appears real and compelling. (Wayne Washington,
Kennedy, Others Question Timing Of Attack But Presidential Hopefuls
Back War With Iraq, The Boston Globe, 2/6/03)

January 2003
Kerry Said, If You Don’t Believe Saddam Hussein Is A Threat With
Nuclear Weapons, Then You Shouldn’t Vote For Me. (Ronald Brownstein,
On Iraq, Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd, Los Angeles Times,
1/31/03)

Kerry Described Threat Of Saddam Hussein With WMD As Real, But Not
New. [W]e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous
dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his
offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so
consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year
war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He
miscalculated America’s response to that act of naked aggression. He
miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated
the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an
American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He
miscalculated the Arab world’s response to his misconduct. And now he
is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his
consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the
world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with
one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and
disarm. (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Georgetown University,
Washington, DC, 1/23/03)

October 2002
Mr. Kerry Said Iraq’s Weapons Of Mass Destruction Posed ‘A Real And
Grave Threat’ To The United States. (Dave Boyer, Key Senators Of Both
Parties Back Bush On Iraq War, The Washington Times, 10/10/02)

Kerry Questioned Saddam’s Actions With Respect To His WMD Capability.
Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed
to limit or give up? Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own
cease-fire agreement with the international community? Why is Saddam
Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don’t
even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit
their potential for disaster? Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and
provoke? Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits?
Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams
previously? Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons
of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified? Why is he seeking to
develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents?
Does he do all of these things because he wants to live by
international standards of behavior? Because he respects international
law? Because he is a nice guy underneath it all and the world should
trust him? (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry Called It Naive To The Point Of Grave Danger To Leave Saddam To
His Own Devices.It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to
believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke,
misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with
the civilized world. (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02,
p. S10171)

Kerry Said Threat Of Saddam Hussein With Weapons Of Mass Destruction
Is Real.The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction
is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the
end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after
Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has
continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years
to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the
interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and
the issue of proliferation. (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record,
10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry: I Am Prepared To Hold Saddam Hussein Accountable And Destroy
His Weapons Of Mass Destruction. (Ronald Brownstein, Democratic
Presidential Hopefuls Differ On War In Iraq, Los Angeles Times,
10/6/02)

September 2000
Kerry Said There Is Nothing More Destabilizing Or Threatening [To The
World] Than Weapons Of Mass Destruction.I think all of us are deeply
concerned about the degree to which certain countries seem to be
contributing to the potential of instability in the world. Obviously,
there is nothing more destabilizing or threatening than weapons of
mass destruction. We have spent an enormous amount of time and energy
focused on Iraq, on Iran, on Russia, on loose nukes, on nuclear
materials, and of course on China and on the issue of the transfer of
technology to Pakistan. (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record,
9/11/00, p. S8321)

December 1998
Kerry Defended Clinton’s 1998 Attacks Because Saddam Is Pursuing
Weapons Of Mass Destruction.Americans need to really understand the
gravity and legitimacy of what is happening with Saddam Hussein. He
has been given every opportunity in the world to comply. The president
does not control the schedule of UNSCOM. The president did not
withdraw the UNSCOM inspectors. And the president did not, obviously,
cut a deal with Saddam Hussein to do this at this moment. Saddam
Hussein has not complied. Saddam Hussein is pursuing a program to
build weapons of mass destruction.(Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference,
12/16/98)

September 1998
Kerry Said, ‘We’re Going To Have To Make Some Fundamental Decisions
About Whether To Follow A Policy Of Containment Or Deprive Iraq Of Its
Weapons Of Mass Destruction. (Eric Schmitt, U.N. Arms Inspector Who
Quit Is Told He Can’t Make Policy, The New York Times, 9/4/98)

February 1998
Kerry Said Saddam Had Already Used WMD And Had Intent To Do So Again.
[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in some
measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both
internationally and certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein
has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the
intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to
continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle
East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist
activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but
not exactly in the Middle East. (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference,
2/23/98)

Kerry Said That If Saddam’s Weapon Capability Was Not Eliminated We
Will Be Called On To Send Our Ships And Our Troops At One Point In The
Future Back To The Middle East.Saddam Hussein has violated that
standard [against using weapons of mass destruction] on several
occasions previously and by most people's expectation, no matter what
agreement we come up with, may well do so again. The greater
likelihood is that we will be called on to send our ships and our
troops at one point in the future back to the Middle East to stand up
to the next crisis.(Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)

December 1997
Kerry Urged U.N. To Eliminate Iraq’s Suspected Infrastructure For
Developing And Manufacturing Weapons Of Mass Destruction.Democratic
Senator John Kerry has said: ‘The Security Council should authorize a
strong UN military response that will materially damage, if not
totally destroy, as much as possible of the suspected infrastructure
for developing and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.’ He
added that ‘Saddam Hussein has intentionally or inadvertently set up a
test which the entire world will be watching, and if he gets away with
this arrogant ploy, he will have terminated the most important
multilateral effort to defuse a legitimate threat to global security.
(US Lawmakers Threaten Military Action Against Iraq, Agence France
Presse, 12/12/97)

November 1997
Kerry Warned U.S. Senate Of Saddam’s WMD Capabilities. It is not
possible to overstate the ominous implications for the Middle East if
Saddam were to develop and successfully militarize and deploy potent
biological weapons. We can all imagine the consequences. Extremely
small quantities of several known biological weapons have the
capability to exterminate the entire population of cities the size of
Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. These could be delivered by ballistic missile,
but they also could be delivered by much more pedestrian means;
aerosol applicators on commercial trucks easily could suffice. If
Saddam were to develop and then deploy usable atomic weapons, the same
holds true. (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp.
S12254 -S12255)

January 1991
Kerry Acknowledged Saddam Working Toward Development Of WMD For
Years.If we go to war in the next few days, it will not be because our
immediate vital interests are so threatened and we have no other
choice. It is not because of nuclear, chemical, biological weapons
when, after all, Saddam Hussein had all those abilities or was working
toward them for years .... (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record,
1/12/91, p. S369)

October 1990
Kerry Said Iraq Has Developed A Chemical Weapons Capability.Today, we
are confronted by a regional power, Iraq, which has attacked a weaker
state, Kuwait. ... The crisis is even more threatening by virtue of
the fact that Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability, and is
pursuing a nuclear weapons development program. And Saddam Hussein has
demonstrated a willingness to use such weapons of mass destruction in
the past, whether in his war against Iran or against his own Kurdish
population.(Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/2/90, p. S14330)



Ken
11Bravo

"redvet" wrote in message
news:103e17pfl0bab4e@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "DLovick195" wrote in message
> news:20040220124528.19340.00000067@mb-m16.aol.com...
> > >Subject: Re: The truth will out......
> > >From: "redvet" redvet@l
> >
> > >except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
> > >commentary
> >
> > Where Joes' commenary? He's stickly cut ' paste.
> >
> > He mimics the people who spam your mailbox with " you can be 3"
longer
> in 30
> > days"
> >
> > They spew spam for the dollars and the same with Joe. I don't mind
> > ligitemate debate but Joe's a parasite.
>
> I don't know, I've been accused of the same 'spam for the dollars' too...


Aahh C'mon red - no-one's accused you of being a paid spammer. On the other
hand, you have been accused of being an ex-felon, less than honorably
discharged, wannabe anti-imperialist, liar who falsely claimed that his
incarceration in the Oklahoma Penitentiary was due to "anti war related
activities".

Nigel Brooks

"Nigel Brooks" wrote in message
news:c1819h$1eherp$1@ID-74999.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "redvet" wrote in message
> news:103e17pfl0bab4e@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "DLovick195" wrote in message
> > news:20040220124528.19340.00000067@mb-m16.aol.com...
> > > >Subject: Re: The truth will out......
> > > >From: "redvet" redvet@l
> > >
> > > >except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
> > > >commentary
> > >
> > > Where Joes' commenary? He's stickly cut ' paste.
> > >
> > > He mimics the people who spam your mailbox with " you can be 3"
> longer
> > in 30
> > > days"
> > >
> > > They spew spam for the dollars and the same with Joe. I don't mind
> > > ligitemate debate but Joe's a parasite.
> >
> > I don't know, I've been accused of the same 'spam for the dollars'
too...
>
>
> Aahh C'mon red - no-one's accused you of being a paid spammer. On the
other
> hand, you have been accused of being an ex-felon, less than honorably
> discharged, wannabe anti-imperialist, liar who falsely claimed that his
> incarceration in the Oklahoma Penitentiary was due to "anti war related
> activities".
>
> Nigel Brooks
>
>

"Nigel Brooks" wrote in message
news:c1819h$1eherp$1@ID-74999.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "redvet" wrote in message
> news:103e17pfl0bab4e@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "DLovick195" wrote in message
> > news:20040220124528.19340.00000067@mb-m16.aol.com...
> > > >Subject: Re: The truth will out......
> > > >From: "redvet" redvet@l
> > >
> > > >except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
> > > >commentary
> > >
> > > Where Joes' commenary? He's stickly cut ' paste.
> > >
> > > He mimics the people who spam your mailbox with " you can be 3"
> longer
> > in 30
> > > days"
> > >
> > > They spew spam for the dollars and the same with Joe. I don't mind
> > > ligitemate debate but Joe's a parasite.
> >
> > I don't know, I've been accused of the same 'spam for the dollars'
too...
>
>
> Aahh C'mon red - no-one's accused you of being a paid spammer. On the
other
> hand, you have been accused of being an ex-felon, less than honorably
> discharged, wannabe anti-imperialist, liar who falsely claimed that his
> incarceration in the Oklahoma Penitentiary was due to "anti war related
> activities".
>
> Nigel Brooks

Aloha Nigel, As I mentioned to Bill when he claimed I was receiving a
subsidy, 'please explain what for and how much' . Now I recall your claim
that you could FOIA any D.D.214 including mine. So please explain my "less
than honorably discharged". Mine clearly indicates "Honorable" - college
bennies, buy the house, thank you note from Nixon, you know, the usual
stuff. Sadly I have "been accused " of lots of nefarious activities. Here's
your opportunity make up for your lapse of intelligence during Tet of '68
(or more currently, your brothers and sisters 'oops', with Weapons of Mass
Destruction) with your review of my undistinguished military record. -
redvet who has never been convicted of a fragging...but is an "Outlaw"
(http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/)

redvet wrote:

> "Nigel Brooks" wrote in message
> news:c1819h$1eherp$1@ID-74999.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "redvet" wrote in message
> > news:103e17pfl0bab4e@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "DLovick195" wrote in message
> > > news:20040220124528.19340.00000067@mb-m16.aol.com...
> > > > >Subject: Re: The truth will out......
> > > > >From: "redvet" redvet@l
> > > >
> > > > >except for a clever satire. -redvet, who enjoys most of the okies
> > > > >commentary
> > > >
> > > > Where Joes' commenary? He's stickly cut ' paste.
> > > >
> > > > He mimics the people who spam your mailbox with " you can be 3"
> > longer
> > > in 30
> > > > days"
> > > >
> > > > They spew spam for the dollars and the same with Joe. I
don't mind
> > > > ligitemate debate but Joe's a parasite.
> > >
> > > I don't know, I've been accused of the same 'spam for the dollars'
> too...
> >
> >
> > Aahh C'mon red - no-one's accused you of being a paid spammer. On the
> other
> > hand, you have been accused of being an ex-felon, less than honorably
> > discharged, wannabe anti-imperialist, liar who falsely claimed that his
> > incarceration in the Oklahoma Penitentiary was due to "anti war related
> > activities".
> >
> > Nigel Brooks
>
> Aloha Nigel, As I mentioned to Bill when he claimed I was receiving a
> subsidy, 'please explain what for and how much' . Now I recall your claim
> that you could FOIA any D.D.214 including mine. So please explain my "less
> than honorably discharged". Mine clearly indicates "Honorable" - college
> bennies, buy the house, thank you note from Nixon, you know, the usual
> stuff. Sadly I have "been accused " of lots of nefarious activities.
Here's
> your opportunity make up for your lapse of intelligence during Tet of '68
> (or more currently, your brothers and sisters 'oops', with Weapons
of Mass
> Destruction) with your review of my undistinguished military record. -
> redvet who has never been convicted of a fragging...but is an "Outlaw"
> (http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/)

I think everyone can consider the source redvet......

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