How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!

"Romdinstler Jones" wrote in message
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> arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in (Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote in message
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> > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml
>
> > Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used
> > reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners.
> > Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's
> > actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."
>
> Brilliant bit of reasoning there, Newsmax. Kerry protested against a
> useless, stupid and immoral war which resulted in the torture of John
> McCain and you blame Kerry for something the North Vietnamese did. If
> the people who started the war in Vietnam had had the viewpoint that
> Kerry came to after being *in* Vietnam, then the war would never had
> been launched and McCain would never have been in harm's way in the
> first place.
>
> A classic case of "Blame the Messenger".
>
> -Romdinstler

Lessee: Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson = useless, stupid and
immoral.

Well, it saves thinking about things.

ted

Ted Gittinger wrote:
>
> "Vern Cole" wrote in message
> news:1faabccd.0401221229.185dc874@posting.google.c om...
> > "unknown" wrote in message
> news:<1padnb4BVsihm5Pd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
> > > >>>>
> > > Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> > > and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > > JFK started the war? It is sad that an outspoken american like you
> don't
> > > know your history. "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
> > > open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara
> taped
> > > conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
> > > advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp. In other words and
> > > according to McNamara, there would NOT be a Vietnam War if JFK survived.
> > > And no, the war was not started from 1960 to 1963 during JFK term. To
> be
> > > technically correct, the war started in september 2 1945, the hour after
> WW
> > > II ended.
> > >
> > > And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said
> there
> > > was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing
> anything
> > > to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from
> > > nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.
> >
> > Check out the Vietnam Vets against John Kerry web site.
> >
> > http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
> >
> > Vern
>
> I especially liked this part:
>
> "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
> > open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara
> taped
> > conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
> > advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp
>
> I tell you, I can't wait to learn about Kennedy being prepared to pull out
> all military advisors near his "assignation attemp."
>
> Is that anything like coitus interruptus?
>
> I'm going for a beer.
>
> ted

Well, that's what a lot of the JFK conspiracy theorists subscribe to.
JFK was shot because he was pulling the plug on Vietnam. I guess
maybe the mafia wanted to move their suspended Cuban casino and
bordello operations to Vietnam, (:>).

I actually first heard that at a Christic Institute presentation
that starred Bo' Gritz.

I was a rompin' stompin' Seaman Apprentice in 1963, and I never
liked McNamara then, not later, not ever. It sure took the
eggheads a long time to acknowledge that McNamara and his
whiz kid bean counters and body counters were jackasses.
How come dumb kids from flyover country figure things out
so many years ahead of the experts?

vernvet@earthlink.net (Vern Cole) wrote:
>"unknown" wrote in message news:<1padnb4BVsihm5Pd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
>> >>>>
>> Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
>> and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
>> >>>>
>>
>> JFK started the war? It is sad that an outspoken american like you don't
>> know your history. "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
>> open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara taped
>> conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
>> advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp. In other words and
>> according to McNamara, there would NOT be a Vietnam War if JFK survived.
>> And no, the war was not started from 1960 to 1963 during JFK term. To be
>> technically correct, the war started in september 2 1945, the hour after WW
>> II ended.
>>
>> And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said there
>> was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing anything
>> to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from
>> nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.
>
>Check out the Vietnam Vets against John Kerry web site.
>
>http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
>
>Vern

I'm going to look at that after I send this reply, but that is Ted Sampley's
website. You remember him, don't you?

Doug

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:02:46 GMT, Richard Rongstad
wrote:

>"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo wrote:
>>
>> >>>.
>> Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
>> his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.

Nope, big lie just like WOMD. Ike and Nixon started the Viet Nam War
in the 50's. I suggest you check your bible and see how naughty you
are for lieing.
>> >>>>
>>
>> I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry
>> action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would
>> drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen
>> in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have
>> been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
>> It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
>> democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.
>
>I'm a Navy vet and a Vietnam War vet, and I can't think of anything
>right now to be thankful to John Kerry for after he took off the
>uniform.

I'm a Viet Nam Vet 66-67 and it is my belief that the Viet Nam Vets
Against the War were the ones that push Nixon into pulling out. I
know this pisses off the republicans but that's the way it is.

Oil leases in the south china sea...all gone!

THOM
>
>I say "unknown", the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo,
>is not only dead wrong, he/she/it is full of shit.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:53:57 GMT, thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom)
wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:02:46 GMT, Richard Rongstad
> wrote:
>
>>"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>.
>>> Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
>>> his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>
>Nope, big lie just like WOMD. Ike and Nixon started the Viet Nam War
>in the 50's. I suggest you check your bible and see how naughty you
>are for lieing.
Speaking of lying - you need to re-check your facts. JFK escalated
the involvement in Vietnam from a few hundred advisors, to tens of
thousands of troops. I'd call that starting a war. And one other
thing - I don't necessarily disagree with JFK on this. Had the
anti-war folks - guys like Kerry and Jane Fonda - kept their nose out
of it, we would have won it quickly.

Ho Chi Minh said that the Vietnam war would not be won in the jungles
of Vietnam, it would be won in the streets of Los Angeles, Chicago and
Washington DC. He was exactly right. And Kerry helped him win.
Regards,

>>> >>>>
>>>
>>> I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry
>>> action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would
>>> drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen
>>> in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have
>>> been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
>>> It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
>>> democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.
>>
>>I'm a Navy vet and a Vietnam War vet, and I can't think of anything
>>right now to be thankful to John Kerry for after he took off the
>>uniform.
>
>I'm a Viet Nam Vet 66-67 and it is my belief that the Viet Nam Vets
>Against the War were the ones that push Nixon into pulling out. I
>know this pisses off the republicans but that's the way it is.
>
>Oil leases in the south china sea...all gone!
>
>THOM
>>
>>I say "unknown", the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo,
>>is not only dead wrong, he/she/it is full of shit.

Richard Rongstad wrote in message news:<4010A5C0.33C6C2B9@NOSPAM.vikingphoenix.com>...
> Ted Gittinger wrote:
> >
> > "Vern Cole" wrote in message
> > news:1faabccd.0401221229.185dc874@posting.google.c om...
> > > "unknown" wrote in message
> news:<1padnb4BVsihm5Pd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
> > > > >>>>
> > > > Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> > > > and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
> > > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > > JFK started the war? It is sad that an outspoken american like you
> don't
> > > > know your history. "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
> > > > open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara
> taped
> > > > conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
> > > > advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp. In other words and
> > > > according to McNamara, there would NOT be a Vietnam War if JFK survived.
> > > > And no, the war was not started from 1960 to 1963 during JFK term. To
> be
> > > > technically correct, the war started in september 2 1945, the hour after
> WW
> > > > II ended.
> > > >
> > > > And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said
> there
> > > > was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing
> anything
> > > > to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from
> > > > nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.
> > >
> > > Check out the Vietnam Vets against John Kerry web site.
> > >
> > > http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
> > >
> > > Vern
> >
> > I especially liked this part:
> >
> > "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
> > > open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara
> taped
> > > conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
> > > advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp
> >
> > I tell you, I can't wait to learn about Kennedy being prepared to pull out
> > all military advisors near his "assignation attemp."
> >
> > Is that anything like coitus interruptus?
> >
> > I'm going for a beer.
> >
> > ted
>
> Well, that's what a lot of the JFK conspiracy theorists subscribe to.
> JFK was shot because he was pulling the plug on Vietnam. I guess
> maybe the mafia wanted to move their suspended Cuban casino and
> bordello operations to Vietnam, (:>).

Kennedy was planning to pull all US troops out of Vietnam before he was killed:

http://www.bostonreview.net/BR28.5/galbraith.html

Thom wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:02:46 GMT, Richard Rongstad
> wrote:
>
>
>>"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo wrote:
>>
>>>>>>.
>>>
>>>Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
>>>his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>
>
> Nope, big lie just like WOMD. Ike and Nixon started the Viet Nam War
> in the 50's. I suggest you check your bible and see how naughty you
> are for lieing.

Advisers were already there under Truman and we were helping the French.
Dummy.
>
>>>I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry
>>>action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would
>>>drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen
>>>in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have
>>>been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
>>>It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
>>>democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.
>>
>>I'm a Navy vet and a Vietnam War vet, and I can't think of anything
>>right now to be thankful to John Kerry for after he took off the
>>uniform.
>
>
> I'm a Viet Nam Vet 66-67 and it is my belief that the Viet Nam Vets
> Against the War were the ones that push Nixon into pulling out. I
> know this pisses off the republicans but that's the way it is.
>
I think you're a liar.

> Oil leases in the south china sea...all gone!

Just like your brain. Too many drugs?
LZ
>
> THOM
>

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:53:57 GMT, thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom)
wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:02:46 GMT, Richard Rongstad
> wrote:
>
>>"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>.
>>> Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
>>> his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>
>Nope, big lie just like WOMD. Ike and Nixon started the Viet Nam War
>in the 50's. I suggest you check your bible and see how naughty you
>are for lieing.

the first official military presence in Vietnam was Sep 1950 with the
establishment of the Military Assistance Advisory Group-Indochina to
provide military aid through the French to Laos, Vietnam and
Cambodia.

"Lone Haranguer" wrote in message
news:burh8i$ldrev$1@ID-192430.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Thom wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:02:46 GMT, Richard Rongstad
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>.
> >>>
> >>>Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
> >>>his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
> >
> >
> > Nope, big lie just like WOMD. Ike and Nixon started the Viet Nam War
> > in the 50's. I suggest you check your bible and see how naughty you
> > are for lieing.
>
> Advisers were already there under Truman and we were helping the French.
> Dummy.

I wonder if it is prudent to remind everyone about the South East Aisian
Treaty Organization that the US was signatory to. Australia was on it as
well, so was Korea, and many others. You will find that many of us served
side by side regardless of Nationality. SEATO was what got us in there and
that was done under Truman. SEATO was directly equivelant to NATO for the
exact same reasons. SEATO is no more these days. Stalin won that round.

"Romdinstler Jones" wrote in message
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> arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in (Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote in message
news:<76bdb568.0401201219.483a67da@posting.google.com>...
> > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml
> >
> > Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> > and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
>
> So, is this the type of mud the Repigs are going to sling at Kerry?
> I've been kind of wondering what their dirt of choice would be. If
> this is indeed going to be their approach, then I say bring it on.
> This will allow the Democrats to bring Bush's record on Vietnam to the
> fore - oh wait a sec, Bush doesn't really have a record on Vietnam,
> does he?
>
> -Romdinstler

No, this is the type of mud the demoncraps are going to sling at thier own
during the ka-kases.
Just think 4 years of John Kerry alias Clintoon as a Viet-Nam vet.