More On How John Kerry & Jane Fonda Helped North Vietnam Kill American Soldiers

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a
former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his
guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane
Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the
returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with
Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and
received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30,
1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar
movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was
essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two
fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the
antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He
further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the
American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American
antiwar movement." Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda,
former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers
"gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield
reverses."

Mr. Tin surmised that "America lost because of its democracy; through
dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win."
Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding
General of the North Vietnam Army) said the 1968 Tet Offensive was a
defeat. Gen. Giap in his book, made the same statement, adding that
they were surprised by the news media reporting and the demonstrations
in America. Instead of seeking a conditional surrender, they would
now hold out because America's resolve was weakening and victory could
be theirs.

From 1969 to the end of the war over 20,000 American soldiers lost
their lives in a war that the United States did not have the resolve
to win. If General Giap was accurate in his assessment that North
Vietnam was going to seek a conditional surrender at the Paris Peace
Conference, but stopped due to the sensationalism of the American news
media and the anti-war protests following the 1968 Tet Offensive, it
follows that those who participated in these anti-war activities have
to share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + Americans deaths.

We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college
campuses and in the city streets.

Americans must realize that there are agents* operating in this
Country attempting to undermine our Country and it's leadership
through our democratic principles in an effort to achieve a foreign
country's goal. A prime example of such a person during the Vietnam
War was Jane Fonda, an admitted Socialist, who blatantly supported
North Vietnam. * Agent - Any person who works to obtain the goals of
another nation either for money or for their own political beliefs.

A valuable lesson was taught by North Vietnam to other nations on how
the United States may be defeated by fighting a two front war - the
battlefield and the American home front. We must be aware of this
vulnerability.

In 1975, after the fall of the South Vietnam Government, Jane Fonda
returned to Hanoi with her newborn son Troy for a celebration in her
honor for the work she had done for North Vietnam. During the
celebration, her son was christened after a Viet Cong hero, Nguyen
Van Troi. Troi had attempted to assassinate Secretary of Defense
Robert McNamara while on his visit to South Vietnam in 1963. The
South Vietnam Government executed Troi for this attempted
assassination.

On 14 Feb 2004 14:50:51 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
Kerry) wrote:

>http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
>
>As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
>inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
>Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
>1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a
>former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his
>guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane
>Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the
>returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."

Sounds to me like a very good description of John McCain. A Liberal
Democrat who keeps claiming to be a Republican.

Hypocrite and liar describes him very well.


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and Protector of Mexico, being desirous of allaying
the dissension's of party strife now existing within
our realm,do hereby dissolve and abolish
the Democratic and Republican parties, and also do
hereby degree the disfranchisement and imprisonment,
for not more than ten, nor less than five years, to
all persons leading to any violation of this
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Given at San Francisco, Cal. this 12th day of
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--San Francisco Herald, August 13, 1869

John A. Stovall wrote:

> On 14 Feb 2004 14:50:51 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
> Kerry) wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
>>
>>As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
>>inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
>>Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
>>1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a
>>former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his
>>guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane
>>Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the
>>returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."
>
>
> Sounds to me like a very good description of John McCain. A Liberal
> Democrat who keeps claiming to be a Republican.

aka RhINO, Republican In Name Only http://www.stentorian.com/politics/

McCain also wants to help Gore and Lieberman destroy American jobs
through greenhouse gas regulations: http://www.stentorian.com/kyoto/

--Bill

"Hanoi Jane Kerry" wrote in message
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He Ought to Know
Saturday, February 14, 2004; Page A28
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Feb13.html


IT'S HARD TO RECALL a more brazen display of political chutzpah than the
Bush campaign's assault on Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) as a captive of
special interests. A video e-mailed Thursday night to 6 million supporters
attacks the Democratic front-runner as an "unprincipled" collector of
special-interest cash. The video cites a report in this newspaper that Mr.
Kerry led the senatorial pack in collecting money from the very Washington
lobbyists that he is busy decrying on the campaign trail. As the dollar
amount -- $640,000 -- shows on the screen, a female announcer emits a sound
of pained surprise. "Oooh," she says, "For what? Nominations and donations
coincided." The video concludes: "Fact. Kerry -- Brought to you by the
special interests. Millions from executives at HMOs, telecoms, drug
companies. Ka-ching!"

Mr. Kerry's fundraising and his relationships with Washington lobbyists are
a legitimate topic, even more so now that he has positioned himself, or
tried to, as the scourge of Washington business as usual. But -- how can we
say this politely? -- let's consider the source.

Mr. Bush's acceptance of special-interest money and his subsequent rewards
to the industries doing the giving dwarf anything in Mr. Kerry's record.
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, whose figures are cited in
the Bush campaign video, Mr. Bush has raised more than four times as much
from lobbyists during the 2004 race as Mr. Kerry has -- $960,000 for Mr.
Bush to $235,000 for Mr. Kerry. During the 2000 contest, the Bush campaign
assigned an industry code to givers so it would know precisely how much it
was beholden and to whom. As electric utility lobbyist Thomas Kuhn explained
in a 1999 letter to fundraisers, putting the code on the check "does ensure
that our industry is credited, and that your progress is listed among the
other business/industry sectors." Mr. Kuhn's progress may well have been
noted; he met at least 14 times with Vice President Cheney's energy task
force.

"Nominations and donations coincided"? You wonder what possessed the Bush
people to bring that up. Of Mr. Bush's Pioneers -- those who raised at least
$100,000 in the 2000 campaign -- 21 snagged ambassadorships, and these
weren't hardship postings. Checks from "HMOs, telecoms, drug companies"? Mr.
Bush has swamped Mr. Kerry in all three sectors during this campaign, raking
in 10 times as much from donors connected to the pharmaceutical industry
($585,000 to $58,000) and telecommunications ($578,000 to $58,000). The
liberal group Public Citizen counted 53 registered lobbyists among the
current Pioneers and Rangers (the $200,000-and-up crowd.) Total amount
bundled by lobbyists? At least $6.5 million this time around. Ka-ching.
Ka-ching. Ka-ching.

And, since Mr. Bush brought it up, it's worth remembering that Mr. Kerry
actually has some bona fides in the area of campaign finance ethics. He
swore off checks from political action committees during his Senate races.
He supported the McCain-Feingold legislation to end big soft-money checks to
political parties -- which Mr. Bush's party did its best to kill and which
the president only reluctantly signed. While the Bush administration fights
to keep secret the activities of its energy task force, Mr. Kerry has
promised to release the records of his meetings with lobbyists during his
time in office.

The Bush video may be a long-shot effort to help derail Mr. Kerry's march to
the Democratic nomination. More likely, it's an attempt to neutralize the
special-interest issue, to inoculate the Bush White House against
accusations that it's a captive of special interests and to muddy the waters
by convincing voters that both candidates are equally complicit. We don't
think voters are quite that slow.

"John A. Stovall" wrote in message
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> On 14 Feb 2004 14:50:51 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
> Kerry) wrote:
>
> >http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
> >
> >As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
> >inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
> >Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
> >1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a
> >former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his
> >guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane
> >Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the
> >returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."
>
> Sounds to me like a very good description of John McCain. A Liberal
> Democrat who keeps claiming to be a Republican.
>
> Hypocrite and liar describes him very well.

Senator McCain has the right to say any damned thing he pleases. He has
earned it.

You, on the other hand. . . . .

ted

"John A. Stovall" wrote in message
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> On 14 Feb 2004 14:50:51 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
> Kerry) wrote:
>
> >http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
> >
> >As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
> >inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
> >Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
> >1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a
> >former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his
> >guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane
> >Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the
> >returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."
>
> Sounds to me like a very good description of John McCain. A Liberal
> Democrat who keeps claiming to be a Republican.
>
> Hypocrite and liar describes him very well.

John McCain has earned the right to say anything he damned well pleases.

ted

On 14 Feb 2004 14:50:51 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
Kerry) wrote:

>http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
>
>As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
>inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.

How Nixon plotted to prolong Vietnam

By MARTIN KETTLE in Washington

On the eve of his election in 1968 Richard Nixon secretly
conspired with the South Vietnamese government to wreck all-
party Vietnam peace talks as part of a deliberate effort to
prolong a conflict in which more than 20,000 Americans were
still to die, along with tens of thousands of Vietnamese and
Cambodians.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...049515,00.html

The devastating new charge against Nixon, which mirrors long-
held suspicions among members of president Lyndon Johnson's
administration about the Republican leader's actions in the
autumn of 1968, is made by the authors of a new study of
Nixon's secret world, in the latest issue of Vanity Fair
magazine.

"The greatest honour history can bestow," reads the
inscription on Nixon's black granite tombstone in California,
"is the title of peacemaker." But if the charges by authors Anthony
Summers and Robbyn Swan are correct, Nixon better
deserves to be called a peace wrecker.

At the heart of the new account in Vanity Fair is Nixon's fear
that Vietnam peace efforts by president Johnson in the run-up
to the presidential election in November 1968 could wreck
Nixon's effort to beat Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic
candidate.

Nixon's response to Johnson's efforts was to use a go-between,
Anna Chennault, to urge South Vietnam's president, Nguyen van
Thieu to resist efforts to force his side to the peace table.

Nixon's efforts paid off spectacularly.

On October 31 Johnson ordered a total halt to the bombing of
North Vietnam, the precondition for getting the North and
their Vietcong allies to join the talks. Two days later, under
intense secret urgings from Nixon and his lieutenants, Thieu
announced his government would not take part. Less than a week
later Nixon was elected president with less than a one-point
margin in the popular vote over Humphrey.

The Vanity Fair article charges that Johnson knew what was
going on. Intelligence reports to the president told him that
Nixon and his running mate, Spiro Agnew, were playing politics
with the lives of US soldiers.

The authors write: "Had it been made public at the time it
would surely have destroyed Nixon's presidential hopes at one
stroke, and forever."

Johnson offered Humphrey the chance to go public about Nixon,
but Humphrey was afraid that the charges would be seen as
election dirty tricks. Once Nixon had won, Johnson again
contemplated revealing what he knew, but decided the national
interest precluded it.

In the weeks running up to the election, Nixon's public stance
was that, if elected, he would bring the war to an end more
effectively than Humphrey. He promised not to interfere with
pre-election peace efforts, pledging that neither he nor Agnew
"will destroy the chance of peace".

In reality, however, Nixon used his campaign manager, John
Mitchell, later his disgraced attorney-general, to use go-
betweens to encourage Thieu to believe he would get a better
deal under a Nixon administration and to boycott the putative
talks.

Nixon constantly denied that he was conspiring with Thieu
against the US government, but the release of previously
classified FBI files used by the authors shows this was
exactly what he was doing.

Chennault, Nixon's main go-between with the South Vietnamese,
was a right-wing Republican society hostess who was Chinese
born and lived in a newly constructed Washington apartment
complex - named the Watergate.

She was vice-chairman of the Republican election finance
committee and an inveterate lobbyist on behalf of right-wing
and pro-American Asian interests.

Chennault regularly passed messages to Mitchell and Nixon in
1968 and they urged her to put pressure on the South
Vietnamese leader to create delays and to refuse to take part
in the peace talks.

US embassy spy operations, including wiretaps of Thieu's
offices, revealed the Thieu-Nixon connection in October, and
Johnson was briefed about them.

>Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
>1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a
>former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his
>guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane
>Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the
>returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."
>
>The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with
>Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and
>received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30,
>1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar
>movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was
>essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two
>fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the
>antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He
>further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the
>American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American
>antiwar movement." Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda,
>former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers
>"gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield
>reverses."
>
>Mr. Tin surmised that "America lost because of its democracy; through
>dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win."
>Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding
>General of the North Vietnam Army) said the 1968 Tet Offensive was a
>defeat. Gen. Giap in his book, made the same statement, adding that
>they were surprised by the news media reporting and the demonstrations
>in America. Instead of seeking a conditional surrender, they would
>now hold out because America's resolve was weakening and victory could
>be theirs.
>
>From 1969 to the end of the war over 20,000 American soldiers lost
>their lives in a war that the United States did not have the resolve
>to win. If General Giap was accurate in his assessment that North
>Vietnam was going to seek a conditional surrender at the Paris Peace
>Conference, but stopped due to the sensationalism of the American news
>media and the anti-war protests following the 1968 Tet Offensive, it
>follows that those who participated in these anti-war activities have
>to share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + Americans deaths.
>
>We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college
>campuses and in the city streets.
>
>Americans must realize that there are agents* operating in this
>Country attempting to undermine our Country and it's leadership
>through our democratic principles in an effort to achieve a foreign
>country's goal. A prime example of such a person during the Vietnam
>War was Jane Fonda, an admitted Socialist, who blatantly supported
>North Vietnam. * Agent - Any person who works to obtain the goals of
>another nation either for money or for their own political beliefs.
>
>A valuable lesson was taught by North Vietnam to other nations on how
>the United States may be defeated by fighting a two front war - the
>battlefield and the American home front. We must be aware of this
>vulnerability.
>
>In 1975, after the fall of the South Vietnam Government, Jane Fonda
>returned to Hanoi with her newborn son Troy for a celebration in her
>honor for the work she had done for North Vietnam. During the
>celebration, her son was christened after a Viet Cong hero, Nguyen
>Van Troi. Troi had attempted to assassinate Secretary of Defense
>Robert McNamara while on his visit to South Vietnam in 1963. The
>South Vietnam Government executed Troi for this attempted
>assassination.

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:53:27 GMT, Jimk wrote:

Did someone slap your momma at the whorehouse to make you so fucking
stupid or did your daddy jack off on a flower pot to raise a bloomin
idiot.

Get the fuck out of the gene pool, we have enough problems already.

"Ted Gittinger" wrote in message
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>
> "John A. Stovall" wrote in message
> news:rl9t2015oq1aijlv0b2jo0kgue9ppgshq9@4ax.com...
> > On 14 Feb 2004 14:50:51 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
> > Kerry) wrote:
> >
> > >http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
> > >
> > >As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
> > >inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
> > >Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
> > >1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a
> > >former Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his
> > >guards for refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane
> > >Fonda, in her response to these new allegations, referred to the
> > >returning POWs as being "hypocrites and liars."
> >
> > Sounds to me like a very good description of John McCain. A Liberal
> > Democrat who keeps claiming to be a Republican.
> >
> > Hypocrite and liar describes him very well.
>
> Senator McCain has the right to say any damned thing he pleases.

Yup, and when he lies and does bad things for America, we have the right to
say so, too.

Jimk wrote:
>
> On 14 Feb 2004 14:50:51 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
> Kerry) wrote:
>
> >http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
> >
> >As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
> >inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
>
> How Nixon plotted to prolong Vietnam
>
> By MARTIN KETTLE in Washington
>
> On the eve of his election in 1968 Richard Nixon secretly
> conspired with the South Vietnamese government to wreck all-
> party Vietnam peace talks as part of a deliberate effort to
> prolong a conflict in which more than 20,000 Americans were
> still to die, along with tens of thousands of Vietnamese and
> Cambodians.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...049515,00.html

Martin Kettle assumes that South Vietnam had any interest in a
peace plan floated by President Lyodon Johnson. South Vietnam
understood that peace meant withdrawal that mean capitulation to
the North.

David