Re: Vietnam Veteran question

Added alt.war.vietnam so that some Nam vets can join this revision of
history exercise.


"Mr. X" wrote in message
news:NLnMb.61486$m83.22211@fed1read01...
: OK... this is sure to raise the wrath, but that is not my
: intent... I truely would hope to divorce myself of my
: own delusion so please correct me if I am wrong...
:
: Yet again, tonight, I saw a news cast in which some Iraq War
: supporter spoke about how shewill welcome home the troops
: from the Iraq war... She went on to say: "It will not be like Viet
: Nam, we will wecome home our boys, we will not spit on them."
:
: Now, I admit I was young at the time (I am only 44 today)...
: But, as I recall... the few troops who were booed, were booed
: DURING the war. And the war supporters who stayed home
: were booed even more.
:
: I simply do not recall seeing or hearing RETURNING troops
: booed or spit on...
:
: I am aware how, politically, it was the very same government
: that sent them there which abandoned them.. but not the people...
: I do not recall masses of returning soldiers being spit on. Maybe
: a few here or there... but not the numbers that one is led to believe
: by listening to the news.
:
: And I really think that the government plays this up in order to induce
: a patriotic intoxication in the people so as to: 1) obviate its own
: abandonment of the Viet Nam Vets; 2) keep a war machine going.
:
: OK...
: Thoughts?
:
:
:

Whose revsion?
I am asking....

Were you
spit on (by the people)?
Or
Abandoned (by the government)?

"BigRedWingsFan" wrote in message
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> Added alt.war.vietnam so that some Nam vets can join this revision of
> history exercise.
>
>
> "Mr. X" wrote in message
> news:NLnMb.61486$m83.22211@fed1read01...
> : OK... this is sure to raise the wrath, but that is not my
> : intent... I truely would hope to divorce myself of my
> : own delusion so please correct me if I am wrong...
> :
> : Yet again, tonight, I saw a news cast in which some Iraq War
> : supporter spoke about how shewill welcome home the troops
> : from the Iraq war... She went on to say: "It will not be like Viet
> : Nam, we will wecome home our boys, we will not spit on them."
> :
> : Now, I admit I was young at the time (I am only 44 today)...
> : But, as I recall... the few troops who were booed, were booed
> : DURING the war. And the war supporters who stayed home
> : were booed even more.
> :
> : I simply do not recall seeing or hearing RETURNING troops
> : booed or spit on...
> :
> : I am aware how, politically, it was the very same government
> : that sent them there which abandoned them.. but not the people...
> : I do not recall masses of returning soldiers being spit on. Maybe
> : a few here or there... but not the numbers that one is led to believe
> : by listening to the news.
> :
> : And I really think that the government plays this up in order to induce
> : a patriotic intoxication in the people so as to: 1) obviate its own
> : abandonment of the Viet Nam Vets; 2) keep a war machine going.
> :
> : OK...
> : Thoughts?
> :
> :
> :
>
>

The simple fuck doesn't seem to know that troops returned to (and left
from) the US on a daily basis during the war. The simple fuck doesn't seem
to know that at every place troops returned from Asia like Travis, McCord,
and a couple of Navy yards there were dipshits outside the fence just
waiting to throw things at the troop busses and ambulances as they ferried
troops. The simple fuck doesn't seem to know that at every civilian airport,
where the returning troops had to fly from to get to their homes or next
duty station, there were assholes waiting to give the troops a ration of
shit. Calling them baby-killers and murderers. If you moved in uniform
during the war there was always some pissant limpdicked low-life
motherfucker wanting to fuck with you, simply because you were a soldier.
Those same sort of low-life limpdick pissants want to come to the vets
groups to taunt the vets. They know they are quite safe doing so from the
anonymity of their armchairs. Fuck them.

--
Don Thompson

"The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before
them, glory and danger alike, and notwithstanding go out to meet it."-
Thucydides

"Men are never really willing to die except for the sake of Freedom:
Therefore they do not believe in dying completely."-
Albert Camus


"BigRedWingsFan" wrote in message
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> Added alt.war.vietnam so that some Nam vets can join this revision of
> history exercise.
>
>
> "Mr. X" wrote in message
> news:NLnMb.61486$m83.22211@fed1read01...
> : OK... this is sure to raise the wrath, but that is not my
> : intent... I truely would hope to divorce myself of my
> : own delusion so please correct me if I am wrong...
> :
> : Yet again, tonight, I saw a news cast in which some Iraq War
> : supporter spoke about how shewill welcome home the troops
> : from the Iraq war... She went on to say: "It will not be like Viet
> : Nam, we will wecome home our boys, we will not spit on them."
> :
> : Now, I admit I was young at the time (I am only 44 today)...
> : But, as I recall... the few troops who were booed, were booed
> : DURING the war. And the war supporters who stayed home
> : were booed even more.
> :
> : I simply do not recall seeing or hearing RETURNING troops
> : booed or spit on...
> :
> : I am aware how, politically, it was the very same government
> : that sent them there which abandoned them.. but not the people...
> : I do not recall masses of returning soldiers being spit on. Maybe
> : a few here or there... but not the numbers that one is led to believe
> : by listening to the news.
> :
> : And I really think that the government plays this up in order to induce
> : a patriotic intoxication in the people so as to: 1) obviate its own
> : abandonment of the Viet Nam Vets; 2) keep a war machine going.
> :
> : OK...
> : Thoughts?
> :
> :
> :
>
>

I didn't want to speak about this but everybody has a different opinion.
First, the troops didn't come home in masses. They rotated back several at a
time from each company to different transient military bases, not like a
whole Unit returning from duty. At first I hated Nixon, I have come to
respect him over the years. As the war was winding down, we needed more
support but it was being sent home. I came home in late 1970 and yes I did
get spit on and called names. I learned quickly not to tell people I had
been in Vietnam. I don't think they were angry with me but more so with
their government and military. It was a different world when I came home.
The flower children, the hippies. I think they did a lot to change things
and probably for the good. They were also fighting for freedom. At the time
I didn't like what they stood for but looking back I can see where things
really changed because they prosted and stood up to the government. I still
don't talk much about Nam but I'm proud to say that when the man said "
Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your
country" I enlisted. Right or wrong, I thought I was being patriotic and
helping my country. Lest We Forget.

--

THE 59th LAND CLEARING COMPANY
VIETNAM 1968~1971
www.geocities.com/ramblerky

i am a vietnam vet when i returned i was not spit on or anything drastic
like that i still had time to do in the service and after my 30 day combat
leave i went to my new post and did my thing the town we were near supported
us in every way as they usually do in the mid west i met some people who
were more confused as opposed to what we were doing there i believe most
americans did(and still support our troops) it is mostly liberals and
college age students who demonstate(as they may be next to go)i hold no
grudge against them as i believe if it were not for our sacrifices they
would not have the PRIVELEDGE to demonstrate at all so what i am sayiny this
is america and you can do most what ever you want try that in some other
countries and see how fast you get to know military force 1st hand
"rambler" wrote in message
news:65369b60ce35042ea67193681b8dcad0@news.teranew s.com...
> I didn't want to speak about this but everybody has a different opinion.
> First, the troops didn't come home in masses. They rotated back several at
a
> time from each company to different transient military bases, not like a
> whole Unit returning from duty. At first I hated Nixon, I have come to
> respect him over the years. As the war was winding down, we needed more
> support but it was being sent home. I came home in late 1970 and yes I did
> get spit on and called names. I learned quickly not to tell people I had
> been in Vietnam. I don't think they were angry with me but more so with
> their government and military. It was a different world when I came home.
> The flower children, the hippies. I think they did a lot to change things
> and probably for the good. They were also fighting for freedom. At the
time
> I didn't like what they stood for but looking back I can see where things
> really changed because they prosted and stood up to the government. I
still
> don't talk much about Nam but I'm proud to say that when the man said "
> Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your
> country" I enlisted. Right or wrong, I thought I was being patriotic and
> helping my country. Lest We Forget.
>
> --
>
> THE 59th LAND CLEARING COMPANY
> VIETNAM 1968~1971
> www.geocities.com/ramblerky
>
>
>

"Mr. X" wrote in message news:...
> Whose revsion?
> I am asking....
>
> Were you
> spit on (by the people)?
> Or
> Abandoned (by the government)?
>
> "BigRedWingsFan" wrote in message
> news_ydnd3goZ4lh5_dRVn-vw@centurytel.net...
> > Added alt.war.vietnam so that some Nam vets can join this revision of
> > history exercise.
> >
> >
> > "Mr. X" wrote in message
> > news:NLnMb.61486$m83.22211@fed1read01...
> > : OK... this is sure to raise the wrath, but that is not my
> > : intent... I truely would hope to divorce myself of my
> > : own delusion so please correct me if I am wrong...
> > :
> > : Yet again, tonight, I saw a news cast in which some Iraq War
> > : supporter spoke about how shewill welcome home the troops
> > : from the Iraq war... She went on to say: "It will not be like Viet
> > : Nam, we will wecome home our boys, we will not spit on them."
> > :
> > : Now, I admit I was young at the time (I am only 44 today)...
> > : But, as I recall... the few troops who were booed, were booed
> > : DURING the war. And the war supporters who stayed home
> > : were booed even more.
> > :
> > : I simply do not recall seeing or hearing RETURNING troops
> > : booed or spit on...
> > :
> > : I am aware how, politically, it was the very same government
> > : that sent them there which abandoned them.. but not the people...
> > : I do not recall masses of returning soldiers being spit on. Maybe
> > : a few here or there... but not the numbers that one is led to believe
> > : by listening to the news.
> > :
> > : And I really think that the government plays this up in order to induce
> > : a patriotic intoxication in the people so as to: 1) obviate its own
> > : abandonment of the Viet Nam Vets; 2) keep a war machine going.
> > :
> > : OK...
> > : Thoughts?
> > :
> > :
> > :
> >
> >

I returned home from a year in combat,nov.15,1967.The cab driver
taking me from the airport to my wife's apt. axed if I was one of
those baby killers.I wore my uniform one other time in public and was
booed,never wore it again.Tried to join the hometown VFW,they said no
Vietnam vets welcome.That's my experience,beleive what you
want.Btw,the same type long haired pinko's that dodged the draft and
spat on returning combat vets are now running the demoncrat party.

rambler wrote:
> I didn't want to speak about this but everybody has a different opinion.
> First, the troops didn't come home in masses. They rotated back several at a
> time from each company to different transient military bases, not like a
> whole Unit returning from duty. At first I hated Nixon, I have come to
> respect him over the years. As the war was winding down, we needed more
> support but it was being sent home. I came home in late 1970 and yes I did
> get spit on and called names. I learned quickly not to tell people I had
> been in Vietnam. I don't think they were angry with me but more so with
> their government and military. It was a different world when I came home.
> The flower children, the hippies. I think they did a lot to change things
> and probably for the good. They were also fighting for freedom. At the time
> I didn't like what they stood for but looking back I can see where things
> really changed because they prosted and stood up to the government. I still
> don't talk much about Nam but I'm proud to say that when the man said "
> Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your
> country" I enlisted. Right or wrong, I thought I was being patriotic and
> helping my country. Lest We Forget.
>

Then, as now, there were a minority of people who hated the government
and everyone connected with it. We still see protests against economic
ties, and anti-American crap from the leftist agitators. Many of them
are the very same people who hated the government in the 1970s.

The majority of people, then as now, supported the government and the
wars in Viet Nam and Iraq. I doubt if we will ever be rid of the radical
leftists who, if they ever get their way, will destroy the country.

Bob

My goodness, you do speak well!
You learned to speak, like, good English when you were in Nam, did'nt 'ya?
Did you think that JUST because you were in Nam that you deserve
respect? You don't.

You deserve respect when you can handle a question... any question...
with the same respect for the one asking.

Do you think I care what you think of me, just because you have a
better command of four letter words.

And I insist again...

Many of those demonstrators (quite a few were senior relatives of mine),
wanted the boys home safe. Many of those soldiers (quite a few were
senior relatives of mine), were not spit on by the people AS MUCH as
they were spit on by their own government.
(Frankly, I would much prefer getting some spit from an airport protestor,
than having the administration cut the veterans administration).

And if there is any whitewashing of history going on, it seems to me being
done to cover up the governments inaction which has resulted in so many
homeless vets, and so many without health care. Is this "spitting thing"
meant
to divert attention from the real culprit?


"Don T" wrote in message
news:SjqMb.5263$1e.2027@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> The simple fuck doesn't seem to know that troops returned to (and left
> from) the US on a daily basis during the war. The simple fuck doesn't seem
> to know that at every place troops returned from Asia like Travis, McCord,
> and a couple of Navy yards there were dipshits outside the fence just
> waiting to throw things at the troop busses and ambulances as they ferried
> troops. The simple fuck doesn't seem to know that at every civilian
airport,
> where the returning troops had to fly from to get to their homes or next
> duty station, there were assholes waiting to give the troops a ration of
> shit. Calling them baby-killers and murderers. If you moved in uniform
> during the war there was always some pissant limpdicked low-life
> motherfucker wanting to fuck with you, simply because you were a soldier.
> Those same sort of low-life limpdick pissants want to come to the vets
> groups to taunt the vets. They know they are quite safe doing so from the
> anonymity of their armchairs. Fuck them.
>
> --
> Don Thompson
>
> "The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is
before
> them, glory and danger alike, and notwithstanding go out to meet it."-
> Thucydides
>
> "Men are never really willing to die except for the sake of Freedom:
> Therefore they do not believe in dying completely."-
> Albert Camus
>
>
> "BigRedWingsFan" wrote in message
> news_ydnd3goZ4lh5_dRVn-vw@centurytel.net...
> > Added alt.war.vietnam so that some Nam vets can join this revision of
> > history exercise.
> >
> >
> > "Mr. X" wrote in message
> > news:NLnMb.61486$m83.22211@fed1read01...
> > : OK... this is sure to raise the wrath, but that is not my
> > : intent... I truely would hope to divorce myself of my
> > : own delusion so please correct me if I am wrong...
> > :
> > : Yet again, tonight, I saw a news cast in which some Iraq War
> > : supporter spoke about how shewill welcome home the troops
> > : from the Iraq war... She went on to say: "It will not be like Viet
> > : Nam, we will wecome home our boys, we will not spit on them."
> > :
> > : Now, I admit I was young at the time (I am only 44 today)...
> > : But, as I recall... the few troops who were booed, were booed
> > : DURING the war. And the war supporters who stayed home
> > : were booed even more.
> > :
> > : I simply do not recall seeing or hearing RETURNING troops
> > : booed or spit on...
> > :
> > : I am aware how, politically, it was the very same government
> > : that sent them there which abandoned them.. but not the people...
> > : I do not recall masses of returning soldiers being spit on. Maybe
> > : a few here or there... but not the numbers that one is led to believe
> > : by listening to the news.
> > :
> > : And I really think that the government plays this up in order to
induce
> > : a patriotic intoxication in the people so as to: 1) obviate its own
> > : abandonment of the Viet Nam Vets; 2) keep a war machine going.
> > :
> > : OK...
> > : Thoughts?
> > :
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

"Bob" wrote in message
news:4002ACE0.6090604@hotmail.com...
> rambler wrote:
> > I didn't want to speak about this but everybody has a different opinion.
> > First, the troops didn't come home in masses. They rotated back several
at a
> > time from each company to different transient military bases, not like a
> > whole Unit returning from duty. At first I hated Nixon, I have come to
> > respect him over the years. As the war was winding down, we needed more
> > support but it was being sent home. I came home in late 1970 and yes I
did
> > get spit on and called names. I learned quickly not to tell people I had
> > been in Vietnam. I don't think they were angry with me but more so with
> > their government and military. It was a different world when I came
home.
> > The flower children, the hippies. I think they did a lot to change
things
> > and probably for the good. They were also fighting for freedom. At the
time
> > I didn't like what they stood for but looking back I can see where
things
> > really changed because they prosted and stood up to the government. I
still
> > don't talk much about Nam but I'm proud to say that when the man said "
> > Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your
> > country" I enlisted. Right or wrong, I thought I was being patriotic and
> > helping my country. Lest We Forget.
> >
>
> Then, as now, there were a minority of people who hated the government
> and everyone connected with it. We still see protests against economic
> ties, and anti-American crap from the leftist agitators. Many of them
> are the very same people who hated the government in the 1970s.
>
> The majority of people, then as now, supported the government and the
> wars in Viet Nam and Iraq. I doubt if we will ever be rid of the radical
> leftists who, if they ever get their way, will destroy the country.

Why would a radical leftist waste time and energy trying to destroy
the country when Bush, the republican party, the deficit, the lack of
attention to the veterans, schools, environment, health care... are all
doing that just fine?

> Bob
>
>
>

Mr. X wrote:
> "Bob" wrote in message
> news:4002ACE0.6090604@hotmail.com...
>
>>rambler wrote:
>>
>>>I didn't want to speak about this but everybody has a different opinion.
>>>First, the troops didn't come home in masses. They rotated back several
>>
> at a
>
>>>time from each company to different transient military bases, not like a
>>>whole Unit returning from duty. At first I hated Nixon, I have come to
>>>respect him over the years. As the war was winding down, we needed more
>>>support but it was being sent home. I came home in late 1970 and yes I
>>
> did
>
>>>get spit on and called names. I learned quickly not to tell people I had
>>>been in Vietnam. I don't think they were angry with me but more so with
>>>their government and military. It was a different world when I came
>>
> home.
>
>>>The flower children, the hippies. I think they did a lot to change
>>
> things
>
>>>and probably for the good. They were also fighting for freedom. At the
>>
> time
>
>>>I didn't like what they stood for but looking back I can see where
>>
> things
>
>>>really changed because they prosted and stood up to the government. I
>>
> still
>
>>>don't talk much about Nam but I'm proud to say that when the man said "
>>>Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your
>>>country" I enlisted. Right or wrong, I thought I was being patriotic and
>>>helping my country. Lest We Forget.
>>>
>>
>>Then, as now, there were a minority of people who hated the government
>>and everyone connected with it. We still see protests against economic
>>ties, and anti-American crap from the leftist agitators. Many of them
>>are the very same people who hated the government in the 1970s.
>>
>>The majority of people, then as now, supported the government and the
>>wars in Viet Nam and Iraq. I doubt if we will ever be rid of the radical
>>leftists who, if they ever get their way, will destroy the country.
>
>
> Why would a radical leftist waste time and energy trying to destroy
> the country when Bush, the republican party, the deficit, the lack of
> attention to the veterans, schools, environment, health care... are all
> doing that just fine?
>

In the strangeness of politics, Bush & Co. figure that they have the
right in their pockets, so they pander to the left and support leftist
programs. You are correct, they are doing a lot of damage and not much
good.

Bob