Kerry Signed Up With Jane Fonda's "Fu*k the Army" Tour To Undermine U.S. Troops

The real John Kerry. He and Fonda saved North Vietnam's bacon - the
N. Vietnamese said after the war they were ready to conditionally
surrender but decided to keep fighting thanks to their allies in
America - Fonda and Kerry. 20,000 more American boys died thanks to
Kerry & Fonda's efforts which dragged out the war.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/130318.shtml

Saturday, Feb. 14, 2004 12:58 p.m. EST
Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's 'F*** the Army' Cast

When Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with
'Hanoi' Jane Fonda and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970
anti-Vietnam War protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same
cast that Fonda had assembled earlier that year for her "F*** the
Army" tour – a kind of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the
morale of U.S. soldiers fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.

On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
after Valley Forge was "terrible."

But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
and those who had returned home.

In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
addressed the Valley Forge rally – as depicted in the now infamous
photo published by NewsMax on Monday – Fonda's military-bashing
credentials were already well-established.

"Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.

Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.

"Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
reports.

Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
"Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."

With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.

The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
"Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
witnesses later turned out to be complete impostors.

Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
"Meet the Press" to denounce the war.

But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
inflated his combat credentials.

"Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.

Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
Clark.

In several calls last week to the Kerry campaign, NewsMax.com
requested financial records from the Winter Soldier Investigation,
including Kerry's tax returns from 1970 and expense records for the
event, to determine to what extent – if any – he may have personally
benefited from Fonda's largesse.

The calls have not been returned.

On 14 Feb 2004 1630 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
Kerry) wrote:

>The real John Kerry. He and Fonda saved North Vietnam's bacon - the
>N. Vietnamese said after the war they were ready to conditionally
>surrender but decided to keep fighting thanks to their allies in
>America - Fonda and Kerry. 20,000 more American boys died thanks to
>Kerry & Fonda's efforts which dragged out the war.
>
>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/130318.shtml
>
>Saturday, Feb. 14, 2004 12:58 p.m. EST
>Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's 'F*** the Army' Cast
>
>When Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with
>'Hanoi' Jane Fonda and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970
>anti-Vietnam War protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same
>cast that Fonda had assembled earlier that year for her "F*** the
>Army" tour – a kind of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the
>morale of U.S. soldiers fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
>
>On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
>eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
>decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
>after Valley Forge was "terrible."
>
>But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
>Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
>road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
>and those who had returned home.

by "anti-military" don't you mean "anti-war?"

>
>In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
>the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
>addressed the Valley Forge rally – as depicted in the now infamous
>photo published by NewsMax on Monday – Fonda's military-bashing
>credentials were already well-established.
>
>"Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
>the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
>bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
>shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.
>
>Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
>veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
>
>"Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
>knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
>reports.
>
>Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
>minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
>Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
>the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
>"Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
>VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."
>
>With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
>fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
>mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.
>
>The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
>"Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
>other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
>possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
>witnesses later turned out to be complete impostors.
>
>Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
>organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
>had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
>Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
>"Meet the Press" to denounce the war.
>
>But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
>Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
>inflated his combat credentials.
>
>"Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
>Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
>never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.
>
>Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
>group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
>he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
>Clark.
>
>In several calls last week to the Kerry campaign, NewsMax.com
>requested financial records from the Winter Soldier Investigation,
>including Kerry's tax returns from 1970 and expense records for the
>event, to determine to what extent – if any – he may have personally
>benefited from Fonda's largesse.
>
>The calls have not been returned.

Fair wrote:

> On 14 Feb 2004 1630 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
> Kerry) wrote:
>
>
>>The real John Kerry. He and Fonda saved North Vietnam's bacon - the
>>N. Vietnamese said after the war they were ready to conditionally
>>surrender but decided to keep fighting thanks to their allies in
>>America - Fonda and Kerry. 20,000 more American boys died thanks to
>>Kerry & Fonda's efforts which dragged out the war.
>>
>>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/130318.shtml
>>
>>Saturday, Feb. 14, 2004 12:58 p.m. EST
>>Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's 'F*** the Army' Cast
>>
>>When Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with
>>'Hanoi' Jane Fonda and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970
>>anti-Vietnam War protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same
>>cast that Fonda had assembled earlier that year for her "F*** the
>>Army" tour – a kind of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the
>>morale of U.S. soldiers fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
>>
>>On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
>>eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
>>decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
>>after Valley Forge was "terrible."
>>
>>But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
>>Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
>>road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
>>and those who had returned home.
>
>
> by "anti-military" don't you mean "anti-war?"

So why did she call her group "Fuck The Army" instead of "Fuck The War"?

She encouraged troops to desert and sabotage the Army, even those in the
U.S. and Europe. This is more than anti-war.

Jane Fonda also helped in the organization of a production group called
the F.T.A. (F*** The Army). This group helped to set up coffee houses
near military bases where they would perform anti-war derogatory-type
sketches for the visiting soldiers. The coffee-house sketches were
intended to counterpoint the U.S.O. shows, such as Bob Hope and other
U.S.O. sponsored performers whose performances increased morale and
gave positive support to American soldiers. Some of the F.T.A. coffee
house employees would mingle with the soldiers to help them to "relax
and unwind", while encouraging the soldiers to desert. Some soldiers
alleged that they were promised jobs and money by the F.T.A. if they
deserted.

The Vietnam Veterans Against the War Organization received major
financial support from Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda's F.T.A. coffee houses
helped in recruiting soldiers and veterans for the Vietnam Veterans
Against The War Organization. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War
Organization membership was approximately 7,000 at it's highest. The
Organization's membership number was comparatively low, when you
consider that more than 2 1/2 million Americans served during the
Vietnam war.

Jane Fonda personally sought out returning American soldiers from
Vietnam to solicit them to publicly speak out against American
atrocities against Vietnamese women and children during her broadcasts.
North Vietnamese officials based in Canada allegedly coordinated her
broadcasts.

In 1972 Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden and others traveled to North Vietnam to
give their support to the North Vietnamese's Government. When she
returned to the United States, she advised the news media that all of
the American Prisoners of War were being well treated and were not being
tortured.

As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former
Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for
refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane Fonda, in her
response to these new allegations, referred to the returning POWs as
being "hypocrites and liars."

The Wall Street Journal (August 3, 1995) published an interview with Bui
Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and
received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975.
During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar
movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was
essential to our strategy" referring to the war being fought on two
fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the
antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He
further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American
evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar
movement." Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda, former
Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers "gave us
confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses."
Mr. Tin surmised that "America lost because of its democracy; through
dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." Mr.
Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of
the North Vietnam Army) said the 1968 Tet Offensive was a defeat. Gen.
Giap in his book, made the same statement, adding that they were
surprised by the news media reporting and the demonstrations in America.
Instead of seeking a conditional surrender, they would now hold out
because America's resolve was weakening and victory could be theirs.

From 1969 to the end of the war over 20,000 American soldiers lost
their lives in a war that the United States did not have the resolve to
win. If General Giap was accurate in his assessment that North Vietnam
was going to seek a conditional surrender at the Paris Peace Conference,
but stopped due to the sensationalism of the American news media and the
anti-war protests following the 1968 Tet Offensive, it follows that
those who participated in these anti-war activities have to share
partial responsibility for those 20,000 + Americans deaths.

We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the
college campuses and in the city streets.

Americans must realize that there are agents* operating in this
Country attempting to undermine our Country and it's leadership through
our democratic principles in an effort to achieve a foreign country's
goal. A prime example of such a person during the Vietnam War was Jane
Fonda, an admitted Socialist, who blatantly supported North Vietnam. *
Agent - Any person who works to obtain the goals of another nation
either for money or for their own political beliefs.

A valuable lesson was taught by North Vietnam to other nations on
how the United States may be defeated by fighting a two front war - the
battlefield and the American home front. We must be aware of this
vulnerability.

In 1975, after the fall of the South Vietnam Government, Jane Fonda
returned to Hanoi with her newborn son Troy for a celebration in her
honor for the work she had done for North Vietnam. During the
celebration, her son was christened after a Viet Cong hero, Nguyen Van
Troi. Troi had attempted to assassinate Secretary of Defense Robert
McNamara while on his visit to South Vietnam in 1963. The South
Vietnam Government executed Troi for this attempted assassination.

I have heard and read that some people believe that Jane Fonda was
simply young and impressionable. Jane Fonda was born on December 21,
1937. She was 34 years old when she made her infamous trip to North
Vietnam and was in her 30's when she participated in anti-war
demonstrations and rallies. During this same time period a large number
of young American soldiers, who had not yet reached their 21st birthday,
were fighting the war in Vietnam and were held accountable for all of
their actions. These same young soldiers were, upon their return to the
United States, still not of legal age to vote or buy alcoholic
beverages. Jane Fonda was an adult when she made these conscious
decisions and actions, and as such, she is responsible and should be
held accountable.
>
Is there a statute of limitations on treason? Maybe we could hang Fonda
and Kerry?
LZ
>
>>In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
>>the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
>>addressed the Valley Forge rally – as depicted in the now infamous
>>photo published by NewsMax on Monday – Fonda's military-bashing
>>credentials were already well-established.
>>
>>"Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
>>the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
>>bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
>>shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.
>>
>>Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
>>veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
>>
>>"Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
>>knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
>>reports.
>>
>>Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
>>minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
>>Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
>>the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
>>"Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
>>VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."
>>
>>With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
>>fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
>>mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.
>>
>>The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
>>"Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
>>other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
>>possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
>>witnesses later turned out to be complete impostors.
>>
>>Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
>>organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
>>had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
>>Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
>>"Meet the Press" to denounce the war.
>>
>>But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
>>Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
>>inflated his combat credentials.
>>
>>"Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
>>Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
>>never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.
>>
>>Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
>>group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
>>he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
>>Clark.
>>
>>In several calls last week to the Kerry campaign, NewsMax.com
>>requested financial records from the Winter Soldier Investigation,
>>including Kerry's tax returns from 1970 and expense records for the
>>event, to determine to what extent – if any – he may have personally
>>benefited from Fonda's largesse.
>>
>>The calls have not been returned.
>
>

Hanoi Jane Kerry wrote:
>
> The real John Kerry. He and Fonda saved North Vietnam's bacon - the
> N. Vietnamese said after the war they were ready to conditionally
> surrender but decided to keep fighting thanks to their allies in
> America - Fonda and Kerry. 20,000 more American boys died thanks to
> Kerry & Fonda's efforts which dragged out the war.

20,000 more American men... that's m-e-n, men.

Fair, and, Balanced, Hyco-Limbaugh, Fart, Detector wrote:
>
> On 14 Feb 2004 1630 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
> Kerry) wrote:
>
> >The real John Kerry. He and Fonda saved North Vietnam's bacon - the
> >N. Vietnamese said after the war they were ready to conditionally
> >surrender but decided to keep fighting thanks to their allies in
> >America - Fonda and Kerry. 20,000 more American boys died thanks to
> >Kerry & Fonda's efforts which dragged out the war.
> >
> >http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/130318.shtml
> >
> >Saturday, Feb. 14, 2004 12:58 p.m. EST
> >Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's 'F*** the Army' Cast
> >

[snip]

> by "anti-military" don't you mean "anti-war?"

I have to say that; after about 35 years of semantic games and
hair-splitting; getting down to cases there is no difference
between anti-war and anti-military.

The subversion of the military over Vietnam was a subversion
of the entire U.S. military, which at the time was globally
engaged to stop the Red Machine. You know, the Red Machine
that was ideologically dedicated to either subjugate or vaporize
the average American family.

Anti-war was just as anti-military in 1969 as it is in 2004,
and in 1969 it was the kind of dangerous, subversive foolishness
that created the kinds of twisted attitudes that equated treason
with patriotism. The same kind of twisting is going on right on.

"Richard Rongstad" wrote in message >
> Anti-war was just as anti-military in 1969 as it is in 2004,
> and in 1969 it was the kind of dangerous, subversive foolishness
> that created the kinds of twisted attitudes that equated treason
> with patriotism. The same kind of twisting is going on right on.

Yes, it is. And you are doing the twisting. According to you, only
traitors disagree with Bush's policy in Iraq.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

ted

Ted Gittinger wrote:
>
> "Richard Rongstad" wrote in message >
> > Anti-war was just as anti-military in 1969 as it is in 2004,
> > and in 1969 it was the kind of dangerous, subversive foolishness
> > that created the kinds of twisted attitudes that equated treason
> > with patriotism. The same kind of twisting is going on right on.
>
> Yes, it is. And you are doing the twisting. According to you, only
> traitors disagree with Bush's policy in Iraq.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> ted

Okay, you're wrong. You stand corrected.

On 14 Feb 2004 1630 -0800, hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane
Kerry) wrote:

>The real John Kerry. He and Fonda saved North Vietnam's bacon - the
>N. Vietnamese said after the war they were ready to conditionally
>surrender but decided to keep fighting thanks to their allies in


How Nixon plotted to prolong Vietnam

By MARTIN KETTLE in Washington

On the eve of his election in 1968 Richard Nixon secretly
conspired with the South Vietnamese government to wreck all-
party Vietnam peace talks as part of a deliberate effort to
prolong a conflict in which more than 20,000 Americans were
still to die, along with tens of thousands of Vietnamese and
Cambodians.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...049515,00.html

The devastating new charge against Nixon, which mirrors long-
held suspicions among members of president Lyndon Johnson's
administration about the Republican leader's actions in the
autumn of 1968, is made by the authors of a new study of
Nixon's secret world, in the latest issue of Vanity Fair
magazine.

"The greatest honour history can bestow," reads the
inscription on Nixon's black granite tombstone in California,
"is the title of peacemaker." But if the charges by authors Anthony
Summers and Robbyn Swan are correct, Nixon better
deserves to be called a peace wrecker.

At the heart of the new account in Vanity Fair is Nixon's fear
that Vietnam peace efforts by president Johnson in the run-up
to the presidential election in November 1968 could wreck
Nixon's effort to beat Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic
candidate.

Nixon's response to Johnson's efforts was to use a go-between,
Anna Chennault, to urge South Vietnam's president, Nguyen van
Thieu to resist efforts to force his side to the peace table.

Nixon's efforts paid off spectacularly.

On October 31 Johnson ordered a total halt to the bombing of
North Vietnam, the precondition for getting the North and
their Vietcong allies to join the talks. Two days later, under
intense secret urgings from Nixon and his lieutenants, Thieu
announced his government would not take part. Less than a week
later Nixon was elected president with less than a one-point
margin in the popular vote over Humphrey.

The Vanity Fair article charges that Johnson knew what was
going on. Intelligence reports to the president told him that
Nixon and his running mate, Spiro Agnew, were playing politics
with the lives of US soldiers.

The authors write: "Had it been made public at the time it
would surely have destroyed Nixon's presidential hopes at one
stroke, and forever."

Johnson offered Humphrey the chance to go public about Nixon,
but Humphrey was afraid that the charges would be seen as
election dirty tricks. Once Nixon had won, Johnson again
contemplated revealing what he knew, but decided the national
interest precluded it.

In the weeks running up to the election, Nixon's public stance
was that, if elected, he would bring the war to an end more
effectively than Humphrey. He promised not to interfere with
pre-election peace efforts, pledging that neither he nor Agnew
"will destroy the chance of peace".

In reality, however, Nixon used his campaign manager, John
Mitchell, later his disgraced attorney-general, to use go-
betweens to encourage Thieu to believe he would get a better
deal under a Nixon administration and to boycott the putative
talks.

Nixon constantly denied that he was conspiring with Thieu
against the US government, but the release of previously
classified FBI files used by the authors shows this was
exactly what he was doing.

Chennault, Nixon's main go-between with the South Vietnamese,
was a right-wing Republican society hostess who was Chinese
born and lived in a newly constructed Washington apartment
complex - named the Watergate.

She was vice-chairman of the Republican election finance
committee and an inveterate lobbyist on behalf of right-wing
and pro-American Asian interests.

Chennault regularly passed messages to Mitchell and Nixon in
1968 and they urged her to put pressure on the South
Vietnamese leader to create delays and to refuse to take part
in the peace talks.

US embassy spy operations, including wiretaps of Thieu's
offices, revealed the Thieu-Nixon connection in October, and
Johnson was briefed about them.


>America - Fonda and Kerry. 20,000 more American boys died thanks to
>Kerry & Fonda's efforts which dragged out the war.
>
>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/130318.shtml
>
>Saturday, Feb. 14, 2004 12:58 p.m. EST
>Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's 'F*** the Army' Cast
>
>When Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with
>'Hanoi' Jane Fonda and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970
>anti-Vietnam War protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same
>cast that Fonda had assembled earlier that year for her "F*** the
>Army" tour – a kind of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the
>morale of U.S. soldiers fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
>
>On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
>eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
>decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
>after Valley Forge was "terrible."
>
>But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
>Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
>road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
>and those who had returned home.
>
>In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
>the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
>addressed the Valley Forge rally – as depicted in the now infamous
>photo published by NewsMax on Monday – Fonda's military-bashing
>credentials were already well-established.
>
>"Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
>the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
>bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
>shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.
>
>Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
>veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
>
>"Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
>knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
>reports.
>
>Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
>minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
>Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
>the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
>"Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
>VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."
>
>With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
>fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
>mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.
>
>The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
>"Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
>other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
>possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
>witnesses later turned out to be complete impostors.
>
>Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
>organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
>had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
>Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
>"Meet the Press" to denounce the war.
>
>But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
>Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
>inflated his combat credentials.
>
>"Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
>Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
>never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.
>
>Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
>group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
>he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
>Clark.
>
>In several calls last week to the Kerry campaign, NewsMax.com
>requested financial records from the Winter Soldier Investigation,
>including Kerry's tax returns from 1970 and expense records for the
>event, to determine to what extent – if any – he may have personally
>benefited from Fonda's largesse.
>
>The calls have not been returned.

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 1900 -0700, Lone Haranguer
wrote:

>As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
>inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
>Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
>1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former
>Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for
>refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane Fonda, in her
>response to these new allegations, referred to the returning POWs as
>being "hypocrites and liars."

In addition, she ratted out to the camp commandant POWs who tried to
speak to her privately or passed her notes during her interviews. She
encouraged them to make Anti-American statements to the "international
press".
--
After Kerry returned from Vietnam he became an antiwar
activist. But was he really? In 1972 he threw his
medals away to protest the war. Years later it turned
out that he had thrown someone ELSE'S medals away and
kept his.

Ask yourself this: Would Patricia Ireland burn someone
else's bra? Then doesn't this make Kerry a fraud?

"OrionCA" wrote in message
news:0rbu2090vu04a2kh3scio3prdbfkrb9gl3@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 1900 -0700, Lone Haranguer
> wrote:
>
> >As the American POWs returned home in 1973, they spoke out about the
> >inhumane treatment and torture they had suffered as prisoners of war.
> >Their stories directly contradicted Jane Fonda's earlier statements of
> >1972. Some of the American POWs such as Senator John McCain, a former
> >Presidential candidate, stated that he was tortured by his guards for
> >refusing to meet with Jane Fonda and her group. Jane Fonda, in her
> >response to these new allegations, referred to the returning POWs as
> >being "hypocrites and liars."
>
> In addition, she ratted out to the camp commandant POWs who tried to
> speak to her privately or passed her notes during her interviews.


Not true. The claim that POWs passed notes to Fonda who then turned them
over to the North Vietnamese is a bullshit urban legend that has been
floating around the Internet for several years. The story has been denied
by the POWs who were named in it.

http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/lib...y/aa110399.htm

Joe S.


> She
> encouraged them to make Anti-American statements to the "international
> press".
> --
> After Kerry returned from Vietnam he became an antiwar
> activist. But was he really? In 1972 he threw his
> medals away to protest the war. Years later it turned
> out that he had thrown someone ELSE'S medals away and
> kept his.
>
> Ask yourself this: Would Patricia Ireland burn someone
> else's bra? Then doesn't this make Kerry a fraud?