How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!

In news:mxer72.923q.prs$53KM.R$2ayO@nyu.edu,
Don Karmel radiated into the WorldWideWait:
> unknown wrote:

>> I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because
>> of kerry action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war.
>> If the war would drag for another decade, tens of thousands of
>> Vietnam vets would have fallen in foreign soil
>
> Right you are. Many people forget the cowardly U.S. would not
> invade northern Vietnam, since the memory of the U.S. getting it's
> ass kicked by the Chinese all the way back to the 38th parallel in
> Korea was still fresh.
> But the bullies still lost.

Boyoboy, don't these two assholes really know how to be popular in a
group of Nam vets?

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 2059 -0600, "Duke of URL"
wrote:

>In news:mxer72.923q.prs$53KM.R$2ayO@nyu.edu,
>Don Karmel radiated into the WorldWideWait:
>> unknown wrote:
>
>>> I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because
>>> of kerry action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war.
>>> If the war would drag for another decade, tens of thousands of
>>> Vietnam vets would have fallen in foreign soil
>>
>> Right you are. Many people forget the cowardly U.S. would not
>> invade northern Vietnam, since the memory of the U.S. getting it's
>> ass kicked by the Chinese all the way back to the 38th parallel in
>> Korea was still fresh.
>> But the bullies still lost.
>
>Boyoboy, don't these two assholes really know how to be popular in a
>group of Nam vets?

Thats all right, Ashcroft is systematically going school to school and
checking student visa's. He, he.

"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo wrote:
>
> >>>.
> Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
> his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
> >>>>
>
> I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry
> action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would
> drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen
> in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have
> been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
> It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
> democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.

I'm a Navy vet and a Vietnam War vet, and I can't think of anything
right now to be thankful to John Kerry for after he took off the
uniform.

I say "unknown", the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo,
is not only dead wrong, he/she/it is full of shit.

XXX wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 0336 GMT, George Grapman
> still stupid wrote:
> > What were the GOP war wimps doing?
> I know of a ace shooting Migs outta the sky that was a GOP
> representative out of Calif.

That would be the Duke. Make that is.

Randy "Duke" Cunningham *is* the Republican Representative to
Congress from California's 51st District and one of the originals
at "Top Gun" at NAS Miramar (now Fallon).

How many suckass Hollywood actor anti-war wimps, and anti-war wimp
film moguls made millions out of that Republican's "Top Gun" idea?

> And I know of a impeached liberal president that protested against
> this country and the military.

Yeah, didn't the slickster participate in or lead student
demonstrations in London and Stockholm?

And then there was that late night flight to Moscow,
where Clinton's mysterious handlers met him at the airplane,
meanwhile, American airmen were being starved, beaten, tortured
and denied medical attention by Moscow's clients in Hanoi. That's
an even juicier airplane ride than Hanoi Jane's Aeroflot flight to
Hanoi via Vientane, Laos in 1972.

BTW, Republican Duncan Hunter, veteran of 75th Ranger Company
in Vietnam, represents California's 52nd District is another
one of those "GOP war wimps" described by the sneering George
Grapman. To make matters worse, Duncan Hunter's dad, another one
of those infernal Republicans that helped dismantle the Empire
of Japan, was a Marine artilleryman in WW-II.

Cunningham, Hunter and a couple more Republican Congressman
"GOP war wimps" stayed up late on election night in 1992,
reading Special Orders into the Congressional Record, revealing
much of Slick Willy Clinton's disgraceful, corrupt and
anti-American past that had been uncovered by that date.

Maybe B-1 Bob joined 'em, I don't recall exactly.

> Next stupid question.

You can bet your last nickel that George Grapman and
"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo
have got a load of stupid questions. If you got paid
for this XXX, that would be job security.

>>>>>
Please point out to me how this war was any more "immoral" than any other
war.
I hear this bullshit a lot and I've never received much of an answer for my
question. Do you have an answer?
>>>>>>

I don't have an answer, but I can point you so a lot of facts. I can
understand that many people like you searched the faces of gods, read
thousands of books on Nam, came up with a zillions reasons why America lost
the war. But the answer you are searching for is right there infront of
you, very close to you. It is something you cherrish everyday. It is
something that makes you proud to be an american. It is in your children's
government book, in the very back of the book, in a section called "The
Declaration of Independence". To be technically correct, the answer you are
looing for is in the sentence "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
pursuit of Happiness". Now read that sentence aloud, screaming if you need
to and tell me what are those words really meant! Then, I would tell you
the answer you are looking for. I would be very surprise if you are able to
tell me what those words meant, if you want to tell at all. If you
unwillling to tell me what do words meant, then you have already known the
answer.

We did. It was called "The Christmas bombing of 1972"...brought their
asses to the peace table mighty quick...so quick that they signed the
Paris Peace Accords less than 4 weeks later... Jan.27,1973. Problem is
Hanoi broke the peace treaty after we pulled our combat troops out and
we did nothing to enforce the treaty.

If Goldwater had been elected instead of "If you elect me President,
no American boy will set foot on Asian soil", we would have gone
down-town Hanoi the first week he took office and there wouldn't be a
Wall with over 58,000 names on it. But Goldwater made the big mistake
of telling people something they didn't want to hear...that we were in
a war already...and the left-wing media painted him as a mad-man who
would start a nuke war with China because he said if he was elected he
would end the war quickly.

We didn't use no nukes in the '72 Christmas bombing and we didn't see
no billion screaming Chinese coming to Hanoi's aid either.

Donna LOng

"Doug Bovinet" wrote in message news:...
> "Horvath" wrote in message
> news:t05u0092d1bokkqoblhri0j5ftqmmi2tql@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:03:55 -0600, "unknown"
> > wrote this crap:
> >
> > >>>>.
> > >Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
> > >his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
> > >>>>>
> I am writing only to correct your inaccurate history. JFK did not start
> the Vietnam War. The French sided with the South vietnamese fighting
> against North Vietnam for seven years before realizing the mistake they had
> made getting involved there. After the French pulled out, President
> Eisenhower sent 3,000 military advisors to South vietnam to help them build
> an army. Before he left office, Eisenhower make a speech at the Defense
> Department in which he warned, "Beware of the military-industrial complex,
> and do not get involved in a land war in Asia." That speech is set in
> bronze placques and appear at the entrtance of the Defense Department --
> with these warnings omitted. Anti-Communist sentiment in the U.S. was
> running high when JFK became president, and grew in intenisity after the
> Iron Curtain went up. To help the South vietnamese keep the northern
> Communist invaders from taking over their country, JFK sent additional
> troops to South vietnam. However, the real build-up came under Lyndon
> Johnson. He expanded our forces over there from about 10,000 to around
> 250,000.
>
> > >
> > >I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of
> kerry
> > >action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war
> would
> > >drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have
> fallen
> > >in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would
> have
> > >been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
> > >It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
> > >democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.
> > >
> >
> > Sure it could have. All we had to do is invade North Vietnam.
> >
> >
> > Horvath@Horvath.net
> >
> > This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 1025 -0500, "b" wrote:

>
> wrote in message
>news:ks1t001t7b4bq7e3f14dflnrqbvpk0qbe7@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 0336 GMT, George Grapman
>> still stupid wrote:
>> > What were the GOP war wimps doing?
>> I know of a ace shooting Migs outta the sky that was a GOP
>> representative out of Calif.
>> And I know of a impeached liberal president that protested against
>> this country and the military.
>> Next stupid question.
>>
>
>I know of a conservative president(Nixon) that was elected only because
>his main rival(Kennedy) was assassinated by CIA (Senior Bush party).
>And the elected party (Shafer commission) wanted to legalize marijuana
>but was ignored by burglars(Poindexter and Rumsfeld) who are now in
>office due to mafia syndicates that were supposedly defeated in the
>1990's. Instead 6 out of ten murders remain unsolved. Theses murders are
>being commited by legal serial killers now busy in other parts of the
>world.
>When finished they will return to escalate another witch hunt to frmae
>people in the way "trouble makers".
>Many unarmed citizens are being found dead with guns.
>
>Death to the chrisitan jew cop military.
LOL!!!! I think that you are smoking too much of that marijuana and
it killed too many brain cells, just like Willie Nelson.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 0518 GMT, Richard Rongstad
wrote:

>XXX wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 0336 GMT, George Grapman
>> still stupid wrote:
>> > What were the GOP war wimps doing?
>> I know of a ace shooting Migs outta the sky that was a GOP
>> representative out of Calif.
>
>That would be the Duke. Make that is.
>
>Randy "Duke" Cunningham *is* the Republican Representative to
>Congress from California's 51st District and one of the originals
>at "Top Gun" at NAS Miramar (now Fallon).
>
>How many suckass Hollywood actor anti-war wimps, and anti-war wimp
>film moguls made millions out of that Republican's "Top Gun" idea?
>
>> And I know of a impeached liberal president that protested against
>> this country and the military.
>
>Yeah, didn't the slickster participate in or lead student
>demonstrations in London and Stockholm?
>
>And then there was that late night flight to Moscow,
>where Clinton's mysterious handlers met him at the airplane,
>meanwhile, American airmen were being starved, beaten, tortured
>and denied medical attention by Moscow's clients in Hanoi. That's
>an even juicier airplane ride than Hanoi Jane's Aeroflot flight to
>Hanoi via Vientane, Laos in 1972.
>
>BTW, Republican Duncan Hunter, veteran of 75th Ranger Company
>in Vietnam, represents California's 52nd District is another
>one of those "GOP war wimps" described by the sneering George
>Grapman. To make matters worse, Duncan Hunter's dad, another one
>of those infernal Republicans that helped dismantle the Empire
>of Japan, was a Marine artilleryman in WW-II.
>
>Cunningham, Hunter and a couple more Republican Congressman
>"GOP war wimps" stayed up late on election night in 1992,
>reading Special Orders into the Congressional Record, revealing
>much of Slick Willy Clinton's disgraceful, corrupt and
>anti-American past that had been uncovered by that date.
>
>Maybe B-1 Bob joined 'em, I don't recall exactly.
>
>> Next stupid question.
>
>You can bet your last nickel that George Grapman and
>"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo
>have got a load of stupid questions. If you got paid
>for this XXX, that would be job security.
LOL!!!! How true indeed.
It's great fun throwing facts at liberals and watch em
squirm like the losers they are.

arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in (Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote in message news:<76bdb568.0401201219.483a67da@posting.google.com>...
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml
>
> Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.

So, is this the type of mud the Repigs are going to sling at Kerry?
I've been kind of wondering what their dirt of choice would be. If
this is indeed going to be their approach, then I say bring it on.
This will allow the Democrats to bring Bush's record on Vietnam to the
fore - oh wait a sec, Bush doesn't really have a record on Vietnam,
does he?

-Romdinstler

>f Goldwater had been elected instead of "If you elect me President,
>no American boy will set foot on Asian soil", we would have gone
>down-town Hanoi the first week he took office and there wouldn't be a
>W

Donna,

Exactly. GWB didn't play diplomatic footsy in the court of world opinion. He
massed his troops at the border and drove straight to Baghdad and unseated
Saddam. In Vietnam we should have done the same thing to Ho Chi Minh in Hanoi.
The communists of the world would have seen our determination and resolve and
the Cold War might have ended in the mid-60's. Instead, we abandoned an Ally
and communism was encouraged to take countless more lives and spread more
misery.

Best Regards

Greg