How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!

arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in (Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote in message news:<76bdb568.0401201219.483a67da@posting.google.com>...
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml

> Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used
> reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners.
> Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's
> actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Brilliant bit of reasoning there, Newsmax. Kerry protested against a
useless, stupid and immoral war which resulted in the torture of John
McCain and you blame Kerry for something the North Vietnamese did. If
the people who started the war in Vietnam had had the viewpoint that
Kerry came to after being *in* Vietnam, then the war would never had
been launched and McCain would never have been in harm's way in the
first place.

A classic case of "Blame the Messenger".

-Romdinstler

"Romdinstler Jones" wrote in message
news:14c78ee.0401220823.231eca8c@posting.google.co m...
> arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in (Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote in message
news:<76bdb568.0401201219.483a67da@posting.google.com>...
> > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml
> >
> > Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> > and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
>
> So, is this the type of mud the Repigs are going to sling at Kerry?
> I've been kind of wondering what their dirt of choice would be. If
> this is indeed going to be their approach, then I say bring it on.
> This will allow the Democrats to bring Bush's record on Vietnam to the
> fore - oh wait a sec, Bush doesn't really have a record on Vietnam,
> does he?
>
> -Romdinstler

As a Vietnam vet that served two years in country, I wouldn't give Kerry the
time of day, let alone a vote!

I AM not aligned with ANY political party, and I think all political parties
should be outlawed.

>Subject: Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War!
>Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - H
>From: "Doug Bovinet" dabovinet@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 1/21/2004 7:16 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id:
>
>
Somehow I'm not allowed to cross post on this rig, will some kind soul put a
tag on this and send it to Mr. Bovinet's group. This was just too much for an
old man to take.

In my long history of watching some of the most bizarre crap in the world come
through here I vote for this post as being the most fucked up understanding of
the Vietnam War that I have ever seen. This is the worst ever, in all my years
here. Anyone remember a better one?

Part of me cries out to correct this outlandish bullshit but a bigger part of
me knows that it will do no good. Oh shit, I can't help myself.

Mr. Bovinet, I'm going to take this real slow and point-by-point. If you fall
behind raise your hand and I'll slow down.

>I am writing only to correct your inaccurate history. JFK did not start
>the Vietnam War.

Well, yes he did. We'll get to that later.

>The French sided with the South vietnamese fighting against North >Vietnam for
seven years before realizing the mistake they had
>made getting involved there.

The French fucked over the Vietnamese for 90 years or so, sometimes even
starving them to death. The French never sided with a Vietnamese and no
self-respecting Vietnamese would have ever sided with the sorry French (French
Fried Vietnamese being the exception).

> After the French pulled out,

The French didn't pull out, they got their ass ran out by the Vietnamese. See
any account of the battle of Dien Bien Phu

>President Eisenhower sent 3,000 military advisors to South vietnam to
>help them build an army.

The number of military advisors in South Vietnam at the end of Ike's term was
400 and they were serving in a strictly advisory status. Please furnish any
reference you have to a number of 3,000. I don't think you will find one.

>To help the South vietnamese keep the northern
>Communist invaders from taking over their country, JFK sent additional
>troops to South vietnam.

During JFK's time the communist in South Vietnam were not so much invaders but
mostly southern born insurgents with some infiltrators from the north. As they
became stronger and more importance was place on fighting communism in Vietnam
JFK increased the number of advisors from the 400 of Ike's to 16,000 or so at
the time of his assassination. More importantly these "advisors" had taken on
a combat role in the air and on the ground and were now supplied with
helicopters and other equipment. That began the war. When you engage in
combat you usually start a war.

>However, the real build-up came under Lyndon
>Johnson. He expanded our forces over there from about 10,000 to
>around 250,000.
>

As infiltration from the north increased and instability increased in the south
resulting from the assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem, Johnson increased our
advisors from the 16,000 (not 10,000) that JFK left him to about 27,000 I
believe. As intact regiments of communist began invading South Vietnam to
fight as individual units the situation in the south became critical, forcing
Johnson to commit regular ground troops.

I know this won't help you Mr. Bovinet but damn if I don't feel better.

Bill Clarke

"unknown" wrote in message news:<1padnb4BVsihm5Pd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
> >>>>
> Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
> >>>>
>
> JFK started the war? It is sad that an outspoken american like you don't
> know your history. "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
> open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara taped
> conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
> advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp. In other words and
> according to McNamara, there would NOT be a Vietnam War if JFK survived.
> And no, the war was not started from 1960 to 1963 during JFK term. To be
> technically correct, the war started in september 2 1945, the hour after WW
> II ended.
>
> And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said there
> was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing anything
> to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from
> nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.

Check out the Vietnam Vets against John Kerry web site.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm

Vern

XXX wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 0518 GMT, Richard Rongstad
> wrote:
>
> >XXX wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 0336 GMT, George Grapman
> >> still stupid wrote:
> >> > What were the GOP war wimps doing?
> >> I know of a ace shooting Migs outta the sky that was a GOP
> >> representative out of Calif.
> >
> >That would be the Duke. Make that is.
> >
> >Randy "Duke" Cunningham *is* the Republican Representative to
> >Congress from California's 51st District and one of the originals
> >at "Top Gun" at NAS Miramar (now Fallon).
> >
> >How many suckass Hollywood actor anti-war wimps, and anti-war wimp
> >film moguls made millions out of that Republican's "Top Gun" idea?
> >
> >> And I know of a impeached liberal president that protested against
> >> this country and the military.
> >
> >Yeah, didn't the slickster participate in or lead student
> >demonstrations in London and Stockholm?
> >
> >And then there was that late night flight to Moscow,
> >where Clinton's mysterious handlers met him at the airplane,
> >meanwhile, American airmen were being starved, beaten, tortured
> >and denied medical attention by Moscow's clients in Hanoi. That's
> >an even juicier airplane ride than Hanoi Jane's Aeroflot flight to
> >Hanoi via Vientane, Laos in 1972.
> >
> >BTW, Republican Duncan Hunter, veteran of 75th Ranger Company
> >in Vietnam, represents California's 52nd District is another
> >one of those "GOP war wimps" described by the sneering George
> >Grapman. To make matters worse, Duncan Hunter's dad, another one
> >of those infernal Republicans that helped dismantle the Empire
> >of Japan, was a Marine artilleryman in WW-II.
> >
> >Cunningham, Hunter and a couple more Republican Congressman
> >"GOP war wimps" stayed up late on election night in 1992,
> >reading Special Orders into the Congressional Record, revealing
> >much of Slick Willy Clinton's disgraceful, corrupt and
> >anti-American past that had been uncovered by that date.
> >
> >Maybe B-1 Bob joined 'em, I don't recall exactly.
> >
> >> Next stupid question.
> >
> >You can bet your last nickel that George Grapman and
> >"unknown" the lumpenproletariat tool of the politburo
> >have got a load of stupid questions. If you got paid
> >for this XXX, that would be job security.


> LOL!!!! How true indeed.
> It's great fun throwing facts at liberals and watch em
> squirm like the losers they are.

Yes, so true. Squirming losers.

I'm really torn between deciding they are abysmally stupid
or they just like to throw mud and see what sticks.

As a corrolary they like to repeat lies and see which ones
are eventually swallowed, and then they play on the new levels
of ignorance.

Romdinstler Jones popped crossed threaded tampon from his ass, licked it
and wrote:
>
> arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in (Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote in message news:<76bdb568.0401201219.483a67da@posting.google.com>...
> > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml
>
> > Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used
> > reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners.
> > Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's
> > actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."
>
> Brilliant bit of reasoning there, Newsmax. Kerry protested against a
> useless, stupid and immoral war which resulted in the torture of John
> McCain and you blame Kerry for something the North Vietnamese did. If
> the people who started the war in Vietnam had had the viewpoint that
> Kerry came to after being *in* Vietnam, then the war would never had
> been launched and McCain would never have been in harm's way in the
> first place.

That's correct. The people that started the war in Vietnam were
Ho Chi Minh, and his partners in crime, the North Vietnam politburo.

Like clubbing baby seals.

> A classic case of "Blame the Messenger".
>
> -Romdinstler

-Romdinstler, a classic case of chronic ACI syndrome
http://vikingphoenix.com/Internet/re...efglos.htm#aci

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 0116 GMT, "Doug Bovinet"
wrote this crap:

>
>"Horvath" wrote in message
>news:t05u0092d1bokkqoblhri0j5ftqmmi2tql@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:03:55 -0600, "unknown"
>> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >>>>.
>> >Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
>> >his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>> >>>>>
>I am writing only to correct your inaccurate history. JFK did not start
>the Vietnam War. The French sided with the South vietnamese fighting

You misquoted me. You can now take your foot out out of your mouth.


Horvath@Horvath.net

This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

"GrgLnsctt" wrote in message
news:20040122113812.12611.00000644@mb-m29.news.cs.com...
> >f Goldwater had been elected instead of "If you elect me President,
> >no American boy will set foot on Asian soil", we would have gone
> >down-town Hanoi the first week he took office and there wouldn't be a
> >W
>
> Donna,
>
> Exactly. GWB didn't play diplomatic footsy in the court of world opinion.
He
> massed his troops at the border and drove straight to Baghdad and unseated
> Saddam. In Vietnam we should have done the same thing to Ho Chi Minh in
Hanoi.
> The communists of the world would have seen our determination and resolve
and
> the Cold War might have ended in the mid-60's. Instead, we abandoned an
Ally
> and communism was encouraged to take countless more lives and spread more
> misery.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Greg

Goodness. Were things were actually so simple, and all that we needed to do
was mass our forces and drive on in our righteousness, fervently against the
commie capitals? How could we have missed anything so obvious?

I mean, was Truman really that stupid? And did he pass his stupidity on,
across party lines, to Eisenhower? Did Kennedy allow his democratitude
blind him so terribly? Was LBJ driven by stupidity into the highest office
in the land?

Or are you simply a fucking idiot?

The answer is not far to seek.

ted

"FatmanE" wrote in message >
> I know this won't help you Mr. Bovinet but damn if I don't feel better.
>
> Bill Clarke

You are not alone, sir. It was a formidable task and maybe a hopeless one,
but it needed to be done. Across the abysses of the Colorado and the
Trinity and the Brazos, I salute, present arms, and raise a glass.

ted

"Vern Cole" wrote in message
news:1faabccd.0401221229.185dc874@posting.google.c om...
> "unknown" wrote in message
news:<1padnb4BVsihm5Pd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
> > >>>>
> > Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> > and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
> > >>>>
> >
> > JFK started the war? It is sad that an outspoken american like you
don't
> > know your history. "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
> > open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara
taped
> > conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
> > advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp. In other words and
> > according to McNamara, there would NOT be a Vietnam War if JFK survived.
> > And no, the war was not started from 1960 to 1963 during JFK term. To
be
> > technically correct, the war started in september 2 1945, the hour after
WW
> > II ended.
> >
> > And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said
there
> > was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing
anything
> > to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from
> > nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.
>
> Check out the Vietnam Vets against John Kerry web site.
>
> http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
>
> Vern

I especially liked this part:

"The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
> open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara
taped
> conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military
> advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp

I tell you, I can't wait to learn about Kennedy being prepared to pull out
all military advisors near his "assignation attemp."

Is that anything like coitus interruptus?

I'm going for a beer.

ted