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Old 11-08-2003, 06:10 AM
Phan Kane
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Default US forces pound targets in Saddam's hometown - Finger print!!!

They should get the finger prints if posible, on the weapons or on assets
around the area!!! Issue ID, take blood sample of Iraqis.

November 9, 2003

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US warplanes and armoured vehicles battered suspected guerrilla hideouts in
Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit yesterday, after six soldiers were
killed in the shooting down of a Black Hawk helicopter.

In a new attack by insurgents in the volatile town of Fallujah, west of
Baghdad, two soldiers were killed and one wounded when a roadside bomb was
detonated near their convoy.

Since Washington declared major combat over on May 1, at least 149 US
soldiers have been killed in action in Iraq, including the six killed in
yesterday's downing of the Black Hawk.

Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Russell of the 4th Infantry Division based in
Tikrit, 175km north of Baghdad, confirmed the Black Hawk had been brought
down by guerrillas.

"We do believe it was brought down by ground fire," he said.

Soldiers said the Black Hawk was probably hit by a rocket-propelled grenade.
It was the third US helicopter to be shot down in Iraq in the last two
weeks. Last Sunday a Chinook was downed west of Baghdad, killing 16
soldiers.


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The US response was swift.

After dark yesterday, F-16 fighter planes swooped over Tikrit, dropping
several 500-pound bombs near the helicopter crash site. Then raids were
launched around the town -- a hotbed of anti-US resistance.

Troops backed by Abrams tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles destroyed
several abandoned houses which the US military believed had been used by
insurgents.

"We are targeting those areas where we have had attacks on coalition
forces," Russell said.

"We want to eliminate those threats."

A US Army statement said the raids were part of "Operation Ivy Cyclone", a
new drive to root out guerrillas in the hostile territory around Tikrit. It
said 16 people had been detained in the past 24 hours as part of the
operation, and five killed.

Three were shot dead after US troops moved in on a position where Iraqis had
been firing rockets, one was killed in a gun battle near the town of Balad,
and one Iraqi was also killed after he fired on troops who caught him trying
to string a decapitation wire across a road, the Army said.

"This operation is a concentrated, uncompromising effort to locate and
detain or eliminate any person ... that seeks to harm coalition forces or
innocent Iraqis as they work together to bring stability and security to a
free Iraq," it said.

The US military said it had seized a large cache of mortars and
rocket-propelled grenades hidden in a tomb in Samarra, which lies between
Baghdad and Tikrit.

In a separate raid, five suspected guerrillas, including a former
lieutenant-colonel in Saddam's Republican Guard, were captured on Thursday
in Abu Ghraib west of Baghdad, and a large weapons cache was seized near
Fallujah, the Army said.

The International Committee of the Red Cross said it had decided to
temporarily shut its offices in Baghdad and the southern city of Basra due
to security concerns.

"We are still discussing what to do with our foreign staff. The situation is
extremely dangerous and volatile," ICRC spokesman Florian Westphal said.

On October 27, suicide car bombers attacked the ICRC and three police
stations in Baghdad, killing at least 35 people.

Following the August truck bombing of the United Nations headquarters in
Baghdad and a string of other attacks on foreign targets, many international
organisations have left Iraq.

In another blow to US efforts to get more countries to share the burden of
policing Iraq, Turkey confirmed it had reversed a decision to send thousands
of troops to the country.

Turkey's parliament voted last month to approve the deployment, but the
US-appointed Iraqi Governing Council strongly objected. Turkey is a former
imperial power in Iraq and has uneasy relations with the country's Kurds.

"Obviously, we would have preferred if this (had) all worked out very nicely
to everybody's satisfaction but let's remember that the goal is stability in
Iraq," US State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters.

"There is recognition, I think, on all our parts -- the United States' side,
Turkish as well as the Iraqis -- that maybe this deployment at this time
would not add to that goal in the way that we had hoped it would."

Iraq's interim Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari -- a Kurd -- welcomed the
Turkish decision.

"I think the Iraqi people, all of them, would welcome Turkey's decision as
wise and rational," he said.

Reuters



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Old 11-08-2003, 06:33 AM
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Phan Kane wrote:

> US warplanes and armoured vehicles battered suspected guerrilla
> hideouts in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit yesterday


"suspected guerilla hideouts" eh? That's the same excuse Irael uses
when it bombs residential areas full of innocent civilians.


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Old 11-08-2003, 08:45 AM
droode
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Why not just kill civilians at a ratio of 10-1 for every American
killed...or perhaps kill all the newborn babies.


"Phan Kane" wrote in message
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> They should get the finger prints if posible, on the weapons or on assets
> around the area!!! Issue ID, take blood sample of Iraqis.
>
> November 9, 2003
>
> Print this article
> Email to a friend
>
>
>
> US warplanes and armoured vehicles battered suspected guerrilla hideouts

in
> Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit yesterday, after six soldiers were
> killed in the shooting down of a Black Hawk helicopter.
>
> In a new attack by insurgents in the volatile town of Fallujah, west of
> Baghdad, two soldiers were killed and one wounded when a roadside bomb was
> detonated near their convoy.
>
> Since Washington declared major combat over on May 1, at least 149 US
> soldiers have been killed in action in Iraq, including the six killed in
> yesterday's downing of the Black Hawk.
>
> Lieutenant-Colonel Steve Russell of the 4th Infantry Division based in
> Tikrit, 175km north of Baghdad, confirmed the Black Hawk had been brought
> down by guerrillas.
>
> "We do believe it was brought down by ground fire," he said.
>
> Soldiers said the Black Hawk was probably hit by a rocket-propelled

grenade.
> It was the third US helicopter to be shot down in Iraq in the last two
> weeks. Last Sunday a Chinook was downed west of Baghdad, killing 16
> soldiers.
>
>
> advertisement
>
> advertisement
>
> The US response was swift.
>
> After dark yesterday, F-16 fighter planes swooped over Tikrit, dropping
> several 500-pound bombs near the helicopter crash site. Then raids were
> launched around the town -- a hotbed of anti-US resistance.
>
> Troops backed by Abrams tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles destroyed
> several abandoned houses which the US military believed had been used by
> insurgents.
>
> "We are targeting those areas where we have had attacks on coalition
> forces," Russell said.
>
> "We want to eliminate those threats."
>
> A US Army statement said the raids were part of "Operation Ivy Cyclone", a
> new drive to root out guerrillas in the hostile territory around Tikrit.

It
> said 16 people had been detained in the past 24 hours as part of the
> operation, and five killed.
>
> Three were shot dead after US troops moved in on a position where Iraqis

had
> been firing rockets, one was killed in a gun battle near the town of

Balad,
> and one Iraqi was also killed after he fired on troops who caught him

trying
> to string a decapitation wire across a road, the Army said.
>
> "This operation is a concentrated, uncompromising effort to locate and
> detain or eliminate any person ... that seeks to harm coalition forces or
> innocent Iraqis as they work together to bring stability and security to a
> free Iraq," it said.
>
> The US military said it had seized a large cache of mortars and
> rocket-propelled grenades hidden in a tomb in Samarra, which lies between
> Baghdad and Tikrit.
>
> In a separate raid, five suspected guerrillas, including a former
> lieutenant-colonel in Saddam's Republican Guard, were captured on Thursday
> in Abu Ghraib west of Baghdad, and a large weapons cache was seized near
> Fallujah, the Army said.
>
> The International Committee of the Red Cross said it had decided to
> temporarily shut its offices in Baghdad and the southern city of Basra due
> to security concerns.
>
> "We are still discussing what to do with our foreign staff. The situation

is
> extremely dangerous and volatile," ICRC spokesman Florian Westphal said.
>
> On October 27, suicide car bombers attacked the ICRC and three police
> stations in Baghdad, killing at least 35 people.
>
> Following the August truck bombing of the United Nations headquarters in
> Baghdad and a string of other attacks on foreign targets, many

international
> organisations have left Iraq.
>
> In another blow to US efforts to get more countries to share the burden of
> policing Iraq, Turkey confirmed it had reversed a decision to send

thousands
> of troops to the country.
>
> Turkey's parliament voted last month to approve the deployment, but the
> US-appointed Iraqi Governing Council strongly objected. Turkey is a former
> imperial power in Iraq and has uneasy relations with the country's Kurds.
>
> "Obviously, we would have preferred if this (had) all worked out very

nicely
> to everybody's satisfaction but let's remember that the goal is stability

in
> Iraq," US State Department spokesman Richard Boucher told reporters.
>
> "There is recognition, I think, on all our parts -- the United States'

side,
> Turkish as well as the Iraqis -- that maybe this deployment at this time
> would not add to that goal in the way that we had hoped it would."
>
> Iraq's interim Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari -- a Kurd -- welcomed the
> Turkish decision.
>
> "I think the Iraqi people, all of them, would welcome Turkey's decision as
> wise and rational," he said.
>
> Reuters
>
>
>



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Old 11-08-2003, 11:26 AM
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message news:...
> Phan Kane wrote:
>
> > US warplanes and armoured vehicles battered suspected guerrilla
> > hideouts in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit yesterday

>
> "suspected guerilla hideouts" eh? That's the same excuse Irael uses
> when it bombs residential areas full of innocent civilians.


Warplanes and armoured vehicles?
They must be running out of ...chocolates, especially for those locals
who don't welcome them with flowers!
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Old 11-09-2003, 12:58 PM
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So....go home. Who wants a stupid Commie
like you here Fool. Go piss on Ho's Tomb.


"hbui" wrote in message news:568b7889.0311081126.26b215a8@posting.google.c om...
> "Steve Walker" wrote in message news:...
> > Phan Kane wrote:
> >
> > > US warplanes and armoured vehicles battered suspected guerrilla
> > > hideouts in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit yesterday

> >
> > "suspected guerilla hideouts" eh? That's the same excuse Irael uses
> > when it bombs residential areas full of innocent civilians.

>
> Warplanes and armoured vehicles?
> They must be running out of ...chocolates, especially for those locals
> who don't welcome them with flowers!

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Old 11-09-2003, 04:24 PM
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References:
Posted by: "Phan Kane"

>US warplanes and armoured vehicles battered suspected guerrilla hideouts in
>Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit yesterday,


Seems like I've heard that or something a lot like it before. Of
course, during the five years of intense US combat in Vietnam, we
averaged about 30 dead per day... something like that.

Jones
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Old 11-12-2003, 03:59 AM
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in article boiusn$tup$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk, Steve Walker at
spam-trap@beeb.net wrote on 08/11/03 2:33 pm:

> Phan Kane wrote:
>
>> US warplanes and armoured vehicles battered suspected guerrilla
>> hideouts in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit yesterday

>
> "suspected guerilla hideouts" eh? That's the same excuse Irael uses
> when it bombs residential areas full of innocent civilians.
>
>


It's regrettably the case that "intelligence" with regard to "suspected
guerrilla hideouts" may originate with individuals who are prepared to use
US forces as pawns in their inter-tribal feuds. This happened, as we know,
in Afghanistan; I rather fear it is also happening in Iraq. Sadly, this
will not endear Americans to the hapless victims, even though they may have
simply been doing a job based on unreliable "intelligence".

I rather fear that the emotional and psychological scarring of both Iraqis
and US forces, in light of misdirected attacks (by both sides), will be
severe and will hamper the building of good relations between the two sides.

--
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School of Computing and Information Systems
Kingston University
Kingston upon Thames
Surrey KT1 2EE, UK
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