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POW fraud leaves a trail of betrayal
Dallas Stars, wife among those fooled by man's tales of Vietnam



10:54 AM CDT on Monday, May 15, 2006
By GRETEL C. KOVACH / The Dallas Morning News




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John Powell told organizers of the 25th National Veterans Wheelchair Games that he had been a Vietnam combat veteran. However, he served only in Alaska. They wanted to honor a disabled former Vietnam prisoner of war with a gift of custom-built rods. Instead, members of an online fishing group reeled in an impostor.

John Powell had inspired Texas athletes, wounded Iraq war veterans ? even his wife ? with his vivid descriptions of the three years he supposedly spent in captivity in Vietnam.

The catch: He was never a POW. He never even went to Vietnam.

"The history of Vietnam is being altered by these frauds," said Mary Schantag, co-founder of the POW Network, which has been exposing phony POWs since 1989.

"It's an epidemic."

Mr. Powell, a frail, friendly man from Balch Springs, had aroused suspicion when he went begging online for a fishing boat.

"I was at the 'Zoo' in North Vietnam from '69 to '73. For some of you old-timers you will know where this is," Mr. Powell said in the April posting to 2coolfishing.com.

Mr. Powell, 57, had told the story many times. Now he has something else to say: "For every veteran out there, I am sorry, I am sorry. It will never happen again. Never. I am going to fight this fight, and I'm going to win."

Mr. Powell said he was diagnosed a year and a half ago with bipolar disorder and plans to begin medication soon.

Over the years, he had gone into great detail about his experiences in Vietnam.

In an article in The Bowling News, Mr. Powell said he had been filling in as a door gunner when the Viet Cong shot down his helicopter. He lay in the jungle for four days with a broken arm and leg, he said, fighting off the enemy with his last ammunition.

He claimed to have endured solitary confinement, forced to eat spiders and rats. He said he was tortured and held prisoner for 1,348 days.

"I returned from Vietnam ... 30 years, 10 months and nine days ago. But I am glad to be home," Mr. Powell said in a video posted until recently on the Dallas Stars Web site.

On the video made by Fox Sports Net, Stars players praised the gentleman they called the "Popcorn Man." Mr. Powell worked at American Airlines Center delivering snacks to the players before games when he told them his tales of survival in Vietnam.

It's true that Mr. Powell was in the Army. But the young private was discharged in 1968, having served less than a year in Alaska, his national service records show.

Kenneth Cordier, 69, of Dallas, a retired Air Force colonel who was held for more than six years as a POW in Vietnam, said he was not upset with Mr. Powell and other impostors.

"They're just to be pitied as well as reviled. What kind of a weak, no-moral-fiber person would try to co-opt the story of real heroes?" he said, starting to sound angry after all.

And purported POWs aren't the only problem. Phony Navy SEALs, Army Rangers and Medal of Honor recipients, among others, outnumber the real thing.


660 Vietnam POWs

Far fewer POWs returned from the Vietnam War than most people imagine. Only 660 came home alive, compared with 116,000 during World War II, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. At the end of 2005, 579 were still living.

Many combat veterans and survivors of torture and starvation in Vietnam and other wars say those who impersonate them are not just telling white lies. Sometimes, they're committing a crime. It is illegal to wear phony military medals or make fraudulent claims for veterans' benefits.

B.G. "Jug" Burkett of Dallas, co-author of the book Stolen Valor, and other veterans want to go further. He lobbied Capitol Hill to make lying about military honors punishable by fines or prison.

Mr. Cordier, the former POW, said: "They damage the honor of the real POWs."

Mr. Powell said the first time he claimed to have been a POW might have been in the early '70s, not long after the young man from Des Moines, Iowa, left the Army and the real POWs were coming home.

Now, as his lies have caught up to him in Dallas, Mr. Powell said he has lost a lot of dear friends.

"I have a lot of respect for anybody that wears the uniform. It's just that, maybe I wish I could have done more. Maybe I wish I was a better help and I wasn't," he said.

"During that time [1968], they were taking everybody. I probably shouldn't have been taken into the service."


Poor health

In addition to bipolar disorder, Mr. Powell said, he has suffered small strokes that have caused him neurological damage. He also has osteoporosis and a fractured pelvis, he said.

Mr. Powell said he receives disability income and health care from the VA, the sole source of support for his wife and two young children.

The tall, thin man with slurred speech made a convincing former POW, said Jim Woodruff, who wrote about Mr. Powell for The Bowling News .

"He had everybody fooled. Everybody felt sorry for him," said Mr. Woodruff, 80, who bowled in the same league as Mr. Powell.

"Good God, he looked like he had been in a prison camp in a hole for a long time. There was no reason to doubt him. I never did."

Several Vietnam veterans said they suspected him from the start.

A group of fishermen who read Mr. Powell's plea for a fishing boat had been so touched that they were willing to spend 40 hours or so making him two bass fishing rods. They had planned to adorn one with the POW flag and the other with the medal ribbons they thought he had earned.

But a member of RodBuilding .org, Owen McLean, a retired lieutenant commander with the U.S. Navy, looked for Mr. Powell's name on the official list of Vietnam POWs posted online.

"It was obvious to me the guy was scamming something," Mr. McLean said.

And the rods were never made.

Mr. McLean, a 59-year-old North Carolina high school math teacher, had been assigned in 1973 to work as an aide to former POWs returning from Vietnam.

"This guy was whining and crying," he said. "Every [POW] I ever met had a very stiff backbone."

Mr. McLean notified the POW Network, based in Skidmore, Mo., and its fraud investigators put out the word in Dallas about Mr. Powell.

"These guys are absolute used-car salesmen," Ms. Schantag said. "The best you can do is let everyone around them know they are falsifying the claim."

Not everyone wants to know that the nice old man they live next to has been lying to them all these years, she added.

Whether it's to gain a drink at the bar, a friend or VA benefits, some phony veterans begin to have a hard time separating truth from fiction, said Jim Benson, a spokesman for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"If they tell it often enough, they start to believe it themselves," he said.

Glendon Bentley, 48, of Rowlett, executive director of the Lone Star Chapter of Paralyzed Veterans of America, said group members had demanded to see Mr. Powell's military records when he first joined in 2003.

They told him to stop telling people he had served in Vietnam and been a POW but allowed him to volunteer, under supervision, in the honor guard performing 21-gun salutes at veterans' funerals.

Then they learned that Mr. Powell had appeared at a recent fishing tournament in Galveston attended by wounded Iraq war veterans who may have thought that he was a POW, wearing Vietnam war ribbons. Last week, they expelled him from the group.

"It upset us quite a bit," Mr. Bentley said. "I hope he gets the medical treatment he needs, or whatever he needs."


'No ill feelings'

Rob Scichili, a Dallas Stars spokesman, struck a similar note of compassion. "The Dallas Stars have no ill feelings toward John. We like John, and we wish him the best," he said.

Mr. Powell lives in a simple brick home with a hand-painted American flag next to the front door.

Mary Powell, 46, said her husband is a good man, gentle and kind. But she discovered two years into their marriage that there was no truth to his tales of being a Vietnam POW.

"It bothered me quite a bit. ... It had been like a burden in my mind all these years," she said.

Now she hopes other veterans in the area will "try to find it within themselves to be forgiving."

For his part, Mr. Powell said he's still a patriot who loves the flag.

"This is America," he said. "Everybody who served and served honorably can cuss me out and say whatever they want to me, because this is America."

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Old 12-10-2007, 10:12 AM
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There is a new book out published by Llumina Press, entitled "For Which it Stands", about the exploits of Ret. BG Joseph F. Johnston of New Jersey. In the book Johnston claims to have been in from D-Day at Normandy, Korea and the Vietnam War where he claims that he was a POW for over 3 years. Trouble is, none of the 661 men who were held as POW's ever heard of this guy, the POW Network says he was never a POW, and the National Personnel Records Center has no records of him ever serving in any Military Service.
I contacted the Gloucester County Times (NJ) and passed the links to POW Network who list Johnston as a fraud and was told "We'll look into it." and I got the same response from the publisher.
Among Johnstons other claims are that he was the first person to enter Dachau Concentration Camp at the end of WWII, he was Jackie Kennedy's personal driver and he was working with the "National Security Administration" when he was captured by the NVA.
(There is no such animal as the National Security Administration, there is a National Security Agency which is HQ'd at Ft. Meade, MD and does Communications Intelligence work. Any NSA personnel working in Vietnam would have been attached to one of the ASA units which were located at major bases in Vietnam and not in the field) After being called out on his Hanoi Hilton story he changed his tale to say that he was only there for 2 weeks but had been a prisoner in Laos until he got to the Hilton. Since he was called out in 2005 he has aparently taken a reduction to the grade of Colonel.
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Murph , what ever happened to the mayor of Atlantic City that made up stories of his Vietnam service ?
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Maybe this guy does need some mental healt care. I know I have met some phony Vietnam Vets, like the one who told he was with the 5th Mech Division (get this) where he was stationed with the 5th Mech in Saigon. mmm....I said really the 5th Mech in Saigon. I looked at him square in his eyes, and said, you are not a Vietnam Vet, because if you were you would know that the 5th Mech was stationed up North by the DMZ. You would also know that only a Brigade of the 5th Mech was in Vietnam, not the whole division. Told him not to disrespect me or any other vetrean no matter what war with his lies.
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Murph , what ever happened to the mayor of Atlantic City that made up stories of his Vietnam service ?

He resigned as Mayor.
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