John Kerry ????

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This was taken from a Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.

1. Did Kerry's actions rise to the level of being Treason in the legal sense-No

2. Did Kerry's action betray his brothers in arms-Yes

3. Did Kerry's actions and the Antiwar movement injury the American Soldiers-Yes

4. Did Kerry's actions give aid and comfort to our enemies-Yes

5.Were Kerry's actions used against our POW'S as a propaganda tool to demoralize them-YES

6. Did Kerry's action prolong the war and cause additional American lives-Yes

7. Did Kerry's action help lose the Vietnam war-Yes

8. Were Kerry's acts real acts of bravery warranting awards for bravery/gallantry-No

9. Could Kerry's acts be considered war crimes-Yes

10. Were Kerry's allegations against his brothers in arms truthful-No

11. Did Kerry and the antiwar movement, knowingly or should have known, resort to phonies Vietnam Vets to support their allegations?-Yes

12. As a Naval Commissioned Officer, who served in Vietnam, he should have known his testimony and those false soldiers were false-Yes

13. As a Naval Commissioned Officer, did Kerry have an obligation to validate the horror stories being told by his False Vietnam Veterans-Yes

14. Does the defense of Kerry statement that he had no direct knowledge of the allegations, but then made the allegations excuse his actions?-No

15. Did Kerry's serve two full tours in Vietnam-No

16. Did Kerry serve only 4 months in combat-Yes

18. Should Kerry's actions during Vietnam be a topic for his run for Presidency-Yes

19. Did the American soldiers routinely violate the rules of war by indiscriminate torture and killing of Vietnamese as alleged by Kerry and his False Vietnam Veterans-No

20. Should the killing of the wounded, unarmed enemy soldier be investigated as a war crime-Yes

21. Should the killing of innocent Vietnamese citizens by be investigated as a war crime-Yes

[Advisor]

Iffen I can find this bumper sticker, I'll proudly display it.

[SuperScout]

Above 2 posts kinda says it all. PS - Advisor - thanks for the bumper sticker! It's a beaut!!

[Gimpy]

about this hate mongering so-called organization of veterans against John Kerry!

Read it and weep!

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In response the outrageous distortions, lies, half-truths, and phony photographs about John Kerry that are being spread around the Internet, it is important that we include in the responses some information about the ringleaders behind these dishonest and cowardly rightwing attacks.

One of the ringleaders is Ted Sampley. As John McCain said in today's New York Times, Sampley is "one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter." We need to inform vets not just about John Kerry's courageous combat service in Vietnam, but also about the man who is spreading the lies and distortions about John.

We need to make sure that the real story of John Kerry's service to our country is heard, and heard now.



The Life and Trials of Ted Sampley

Ted Sampley is head of the Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry and is responsible for the 1992 fake photo of John Kerry shooting an American MIA in Vietnam with the caption: "Kerry eliminates another MIA from his discrepancy list." Sampley has a long history of working against both John Kerry and John McCain dating to the POW/MIA hearings and even served jail time for starting a fight with John McCain's staff?Sampley was also given a restraining order. Sampley called John McCain the "Manchurian Candidate" and accused him of being "Brainwashed by the Vietnamese" and being a "KGB Spy." Additionally, McCain has pointed out that Sampley seems to exploit sensitive issues such as the POW/MIA hearings as a means of making money. McCain's words were: Sampley has a "nose for publicity and knack for making money from invented controversies." On his current website, Sampley has another money making scheme?he sells bumper stickers and lapel pins that read "Stop Hanoi John" Kerry.

Sampley Said McCain Was "Brainwashed by the Vietnamese" and a "KGB Spy"

Sampley Called McCain the Manchurian Candidate and Said He Was Brainwashed by the Vietnamese - "Sampley calls McCain the 'Manchurian Candidate,' maintaining that the Vietnamese brainwashed McCain, then sent him home to do their bidding--which, to Sampley's way of thinking, explains why McCain was instrumental in the nation's normalization of relations with Vietnam." [Phoenix New Times (Arizona); 3/25/99]

Sampley Says McCain is Actually a "KGB Spy"

- "Ted Sampley, a veteran from North Carolina who runs a newsletter, accuses Mr McCain of betraying his country while a prisoner and being a KGB spy. He also made a more bizarre accusation: 'In the movie The Manchurian Candidate Laurence Harvey portrayed ... a former PoW ... of the Korean War whose brainwashing ... resulted in his enemies being able to manipulate his actions. To trigger him ... all they had to do was have him play solitaire, with the queen of diamonds being the trigger that made him theirs, body and soul.' Mr Sampley went on to ask the senator: "Have the Vietnamese flipped you a queen of diamonds?" [The Independent, 2/17/00]

Sampley Started a Fight With McCain Staffer

- "In December came an ugly exchange between activist Ted Sampley and an aide to Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican. Mr. Sampley says he went to the senator's Capitol Hill office Dec. 18 to drop off copies of an article he had written. It described Mr. McCain as a "brainwashed" agent of the Soviet KGB spy agency. McCain staff members already had seen the article. Mark Salter, the senator's legislative assistant for foreign affairs, ordered Mr. Sampley out of the office. Although versions of the story vary somewhat, both Mr. Salter and Mr. Sampley agree that they went out in the hall together. Each says the other threw the first 'sucker' punch, but both say there was a scuffle, and Mr. Salter got the worst of it." [Washington Times, 2/8/93]

Sampley Ordered to Serve Jail Time for McCain Altercation -

"[Sampley] spent two days in jail and was placed on probation for 180 days. He also was slapped with a restraining order requiring that he stay away from Mr. McCain and his staff." [Washington Times, 2/8/93]

McCain Says Sampley Has a "Nose for Publicity and Knack for Making Money From Invented Controversies"

- "Ted Sampley, whose nose for publicity and knack for making money from invented controversies is colorfully detailed by Mrs. Keating, is the author of my own chapter in the POW conspiracy, in which I am exposed as a KGB-trained Manchurian Candidate. Mrs. Keating puzzles over the perverse pride Mr. Sampley takes in his work, which included torturing the family of an American POW in Iraq with fabricated details of his cruel death at the hands of an Iraqi mob. When the pilot was subsequently freed alive, Mr. Sampley dismissed his fraud as necessary to publicize the plight of POWs. Mr. Sampley excuses all his scams as necessary to advance a noble cause. Mrs. Keating reveals that his likely real motive is more mundane: money. She notes his earnings from his T-shirt concession located near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial were nearly $2 million over three years. He keeps his overhead costs down by not paying a dime to his employees." - John McCain [Washington Times, 12/10/94]

Republican Senator Called Sampley's Slur of McCain "Disgusting"

"POW-MIA researcher calls senator a spy - Demands Sampley: 'Who do you really work for: Moscow or Hanoi?' Sens. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Bob Smith of New Hampshire, the committee chairman and vice chairman, came to McCain's defense on the Senate floor. The smear was "uncalled for; it is disgusting," said Smith. The senators said the episode may help convince the panel that some of the POW-MIA groups themselves need investigating and exposure as frauds." [Boston Globe, 2/29/92]

Sampley Has Longtime Hatred for Kerry and Vowed to "Come After Him"

Sampley Created Fake Photo of Kerry Shooting an American MIA - "[Sampley's] publication ranges from hyperbolic to outrageous. The October/November edition from last year, for example, contains a composite picture purporting to show the Senate committee chairman, Democrat John Kerry of Massachusetts, shooting a man in the head. The caption reads: 'Kerry eliminates another MIA from his discrepancy list.' " [Washington Times, 2/8/93]

Sampley Vows to "Come After" Kerry -

"If Kerry wins the South Carolina primary on Tuesday, we'll be coming after him," said Sampley, a POW advocate who is organizing opponents to Kerry through a new website, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and who was rebuked by Kerry a decade ago for alleging that Senator John McCain was brainwashed by Communists while a prisoner in Hanoi. "We will do what is politically necessary to stop John Kerry and draw attention to the hypocrisy of his campaign." [Boston Globe, 2/1/04]

Sampley is a Longtime Critic of Kerry's POW/MIA Committee -

"Sampley, who did two combat tours in Vietnam, has been a longtime critic of Kerry's protests and his work as co-chairman of the Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs." [Lowell Sun, 12/15/02]

Sampley Confronted Kerry With Wild Accusations During Lunch Break -

"Ted Sampley, a Vietnam veteran, confronted committee chairman Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., during the lunch break. Sampley took Kerry to task for saying there is no evidence any prisoners remain alive. 'We're pretty much concerned that Senator Kerry doesn't want to believe Vietnam would act like this and continue to hold prisoners,' he said." [AP, 9/23/92]

Kerry Had Capitol Police Remove Sampley From 1992 POW/MIA Hearings -

"Mrs. Stockdale also criticized opportunists outside the government who have played on the emotions of POW families for profit. The remarks brought Ted Sampley to his feet. Sampley, editor of U.S. Veteran, a paper devoted to Vietnam veteran and POW-MIA issues, shouted to Mrs. Stockdale, 'Have you sat through these hearings? No. ... I'm not going to sit through this farce.' Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., chairman of the committee ordered a Capitol Police officer to escort Sampley from the room." [AP, 12/3/92]

Sampley's Questionable Claims and Business Practices

Sampley Paid By Secret Reagan Group to Infiltrate Vet Organization? "Mr. Sampley said an organization with close ties to the White House paid him $500 to infiltrate a group of veterans who ran a vigil site near the Vietnam memorial, and that the individual who paid him was reporting back to a staff member of the Reagan National Security Council." [Washington Times, 11/11/91]


Sampley Fined $300,000 Violating Vietnam Memorial Copyright - "Ted Sampley was on hand, too. For three years, Sampley's business sold T-shirts bearing a likeness of the Three Servicemen Statue that's part of Washington's Vietnam Memorial. A federal judge last year ordered the North Carolina man to pay the memorial fund $ 300,000 earned from the copyrighted statue." [St. Petersburg Times, 7/26/93]

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Anyone who would believe this hate-mongering jerk who has lied time after time must have rocks in their head!!

[SuperScout]

Disregarding any and all about Ted Sampley, what about the original 21 points? True or False? Cowardly and dishonest, or straightforward and right on target?

[BLUEHAWK]

t.f. THE WEEK magazine, 2.20.04, page 4

"Democrats 'are cute when they're being pragmatic,' said Michael Kinsley in THE WASHINGTON POST. This time, they tried to 'think like Republicans,' bouncing 'from candidate to candidate' in search of someone who could seduce crossover voters and beat Bush. First it was Sen. Joe Lieberman, 'the Centrist,' then Clark, 'the General.' They considered Edwards, whose Southern accent might charm 'those nonliberals.' Then they settled on Kerry, not because he was inspiring but because he looked presidential. But as Democrats try to figure out 'what other people want,' Republicans will play to their strengths. 'Republicans know what they want.' "

[Gimpy]

can you "disregard" Sampleys "message"???

Hell, this gutter-trash, slime-ball, despicable hate-monger IS RESPONSIBLE for posting all "21" pieces of horseshit on his web site?? This is where it all started!

Here is a guy, supposedly a "veteran" trying to help Bush get re-elected, who has doctored and falsified photgraphs and untold numbers of accounts of John Kerrys military service and professional career, been arrested for physically attacking Senator John McCains staff member, exploited the families of MIA/POWs for untold $$$$$, and been fined $300,000 for vilolating the copyright of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for Gods sake?

And you folks think THAT'S OK???

Your TRUE COLORS are showing..........again!

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Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations
April 23, 1971
I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit - the emotions in the room and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the Winter Soldier Investigation. The term Winter Soldier is a play on words of Thomas Paine's in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriots and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we feel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country, we could be quiet, we could hold our silence, we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, not the reds, but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out....

In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart.

We found that not only was it a civil war, an effort by a people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever, but also we found that the Vietnamese whom we had enthusiastically molded after our own image were hard put to take up the fight against the threat we were supposedly saving them from.

We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. They wanted everything to do with the war, particularly with this foreign presence of the United States of America, to leave them alone in peace, and they practiced the art of survival by siding with whichever military force was present at a particular time, be it Viet Cong, North Vietnamese or American.

We found also that all too often American men were dying in those rice paddies for want of support from their allies. We saw first hand how monies from American taxes were used for a corrupt dictatorial regime. We saw that many people in this country had a one-sided idea of who was kept free by the flag, and blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties. We saw Vietnam ravaged equally by American bombs and search and destroy missions, as well as by Viet Cong terrorism - and yet we listened while this country tried to blame all of the havoc on the Viet Cong.

We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.

We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of orientals.

We watched the United States falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings." We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater. We watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the hill for reoccupation by the North Vietnamese. We watched pride allow the most unimportant battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point, and so there were Hamburger Hills and Khe Sanhs and Hill 81s and Fire Base 6s, and so many others.

Now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Vietnamizing the Vietnamese.

Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war."

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?....We are here in Washington to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country - the question of racism which is rampant in the military, and so many other questions such as the use of weapons; the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage at the Geneva Conventions and using that as justification for a continuation of this war when we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam. That is what we are trying to say. It is part and parcel of everything.

An American Indian friend of mine who lives in the Indian Nation of Alcatraz put it to me very succinctly. He told me how as a boy on an Indian reservation he had watched television and he used to cheer the cowboys when they came in and shot the Indians, and then suddenly one day he stopped in Vietnam and he said, "my God, I am doing to these people the very same thing that was done to my people," and he stopped. And that is what we are trying to say, that we think this thing has to end.

We are here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We're here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatrick, and so many others? Where are they now that we, the men they sent off to war, have returned? These are the commanders who have deserted their troops. And there is no more serious crime in the laws of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The marines say they never even leave their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They've left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching behind them in the sun in this country....

We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service as easily as this administration has wiped away their memories of us. But all that they have done and all that they can do by this denial is to make more clear than ever our own determination to undertake one last mission - to search out and destroy the last vestige of this barbaric war, to pacify our own hearts, to conquer the hate and fear that have driven this country these last ten years and more. And more. And so when thirty years from now our brothers go down the street without a leg, without an arm, or a face, and small boys ask why, we will be able to say "Vietnam" and not mean a desert, not a filthy obscene memory, but mean instead where America finally turned and where soldiers like us helped it in the turning.

[SuperScout]

Here's brief review of the illustrious senatorial career of John Kerry, and proof, irrefutable evidence, and incontrovertiable fact that he is anti-military. This is not a posting by Sampley, Shmampley, of Fampley - so don't try to trot that bromide out.

In Kerry's first attempt to win a senate seat in 1984, Kerry explained carefully that he was firmly against such mainstays of the defense establishment as the B-1 bomber, B-2 stealth bomber, AH-64 Apache helicopter, Patriot missile, the F-15, F-14A and F-14D jets, the AV-8B Harrier jet, the Aegis air-defense cruiser, and the Trident missile system. At that time, we were already using very old equipment and technology, and Kerry's votes against upgrading our weapon systems if proof of his anti-military stance, his misunderstanding of international forces, or acquiesence to the lullabies sung by the UN. Fortunately for our military, Kerry was out-voted.

He also ran on a platform of cutting back on the M1 Abrams tank, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the Tomahawk cruise missile, and the F-16. Obviously, he never bothered to check with the military to see how antiquated our tanks, APC's and other major systems were, more evidence that he was not eacting in the best interests of either our country or of our military. The average newspaper-reading American, of course, recognizes these systems as the veritable tip of the spear that not only crushed Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War but also smashed the Taliban in Afghanistan and punched through to Baghdad in the second Gulf War. Anybody who has amassed such a dismal voting record of attempting to deny the very best weapons systems to our armed forces is not fit to be elected to any office, much less as the CinC.

[BLUEHAWK]

"John Kerry's home state 'may have just handed the November election to George W. Bush,' said Kathleen Parker in the ORLANDO SENTINEL. Last week, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court detonated political dynamite by ordering the commonwealth to officially recognize marriage between same-sex couples... Away from the liberal coasts, Americans simply don't want 'activist courts rearranging the fundamental structure of American life.'... Kerry is on record opposing gay marriage too - but he voted against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, and has come out in support of civil unions. He's also from the state where Tom will soon by tying the knot with Ted, 'Among squeamish heterosexuals, the mind free-associates: Massachusetts, brides with beards, John F. Kerry.' "