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Old 12-05-2005, 10:47 AM
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December 5, 2005

PARTIAL QUOTE FROM THE WASHINGTON POST ? Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said yesterday he wouldn't compromise with the White House on the words in his amendment that would put into law the banning of cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of detainees. McCain also noted the United States' use of torture like techniques could lead to them being used against captured Americans.

Asked on NBC's "Meet the Press," whether he would accept a compromise, McCain, answered, "No . . . I won't. We won't." McCain was tortured while a ?Prisoner of War of the North Vietnamese.
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At a point in time when we are striving to have the Bill (HR 2369, Honor Our Fallen Prisoners of War Act) enacted into law (this Bill would grant a long-overdue, posthumous Purple Heart Medal, to our own military who were brutalized to death in enemy Prisoner of War facilities), how can we possibly condone torture as part of our own operations?

Senator John McCain put it quite appropriately when he stated that - ?If we torture them, they in turn could torture ours??

Although I firmly agree that the actions of some of these enemy combatants leave little room for love, torture is something that our history books tell us is inherent to the enemy alone, and not our own forces! The indignation against those who tortured or massacred our own troops in places like BATAAN, Manchuria, and the POW Camps of WWII, Korea and Vietnam, still echoes forth to this very day!

Our humane treatment of enemy combatants is what has separated us from the enemy beast ever since the first shot was fired at Lexington. And when the British threatened to execute our capture troopers, General George Washington responded by threatening to do the same to ?Captured Limies!?

With this (so-called) World Court already wanting to tack some of our people to the wall for what they claim are Crimes Against Humanity, even to consider torture of enemy POWs is ill-advised and un-American, even if it is sometimes tempting!

As a man who has been there, done that, Senator McCain knows what this can lead to, as well as the fact that the torture of captured forces is contrary to all that we represent! Granted, intelligence may be had in some cases by applying pressure, but to re-ignite the Spanish Inquisition, be it a helluva lot milder, still flies in the face of all that we stand for!

The old Nazi Cop-out of ?We were just obeying orders? didn?t work at Nuremberg, and practicing a double standard as far as torture goes, is still as sad of a reflection upon the human race now as it was some six decades ago, in my opinion!

My wife too, had an uncle who died (or was murdered) as a POW, through beatings and starvation in the early months of the Korean War! What this enemy did back then (and the Communist perpetrators were never brought to justice) was brutal and wrong. And as far as I know, the definition and parameters of torture have not changed, nor has any safe zones for the practice of torture been agreed upon - ?OR HAS THIS CHANGED TOO??

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Senator John McCain put it quite appropriately when he stated that - ?If we torture them, they in turn could torture ours??

Enough said.
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My opinion on POWs is that there should be no POWs. If someone stands up with a white flag and yells I surender, He is just an easy target and only takes one bullit. If you suround 300 and they stop fighting, than 300 die easy , No prisoners, This means no democrats will be looking to free combatents that you captured, This is a tough way to fight a war but then, its my opinon so I get to fight it how I like. And for any doughters there are out there, If for some reason you dought that I would kill prisones, If they were standing in front of my unit and I was in charge , I would order them to be shot or set free, I do not want prisoners, There to much trouble,
On the flip side to that I would not be taken prisoner, I have only been in that spot one time in my life and at that time I pulled the pins on two hand gernades, one for them and one for me. THE END.
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Old 12-05-2005, 04:41 PM
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Never took any prisoners and no one was ever taken prisoner. Never saw a body I didn't shoot , just to be sure. Tiny likes to remind me of a bad day we had and I shot a wounded guy.

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Thumbs up Ron

PS , As Beau taught me awhile ago " Daughters are for the healing of the Fathers " PSS Grand babies are even better !

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