How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 0336 GMT, George Grapman
still stupid wrote:
> What were the GOP war wimps doing?
I know of a ace shooting Migs outta the sky that was a GOP
representative out of Calif.
And I know of a impeached liberal president that protested against
this country and the military.
Next stupid question.

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> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 0336 GMT, George Grapman
> still stupid wrote:
> > What were the GOP war wimps doing?
> I know of a ace shooting Migs outta the sky that was a GOP
> representative out of Calif.
> And I know of a impeached liberal president that protested against
> this country and the military.
> Next stupid question.
>

I know of a conservative president(Nixon) that was elected only because
his main rival(Kennedy) was assassinated by CIA (Senior Bush party).
And the elected party (Shafer commission) wanted to legalize marijuana
but was ignored by burglars(Poindexter and Rumsfeld) who are now in
office due to mafia syndicates that were supposedly defeated in the
1990's. Instead 6 out of ten murders remain unsolved. Theses murders are
being commited by legal serial killers now busy in other parts of the
world.
When finished they will return to escalate another witch hunt to frmae
people in the way "trouble makers".
Many unarmed citizens are being found dead with guns.

Death to the chrisitan jew cop military.

>Subject: Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War!
>Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - H
>From: "unknown" unknonw3456@yahoo.com
>Date: 1/20/2004 11:03 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <9uOdnb9tCImhlZPdRVn-iQ@comcast.com>
>
>>>>.
>Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
>his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>>>>>
>
>I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry
>action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would
>drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen
>in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have
>been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
>It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
>democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.
>
>

It is not his protest that I protest, it is the dishonest, self serving and
back stabbing way he went about it that offends me. And mostly I'm talking
about his role in the Winter Soldier Investigation of which I'm sure you have
eminent knowledgeable of. No?

Please point out to me how this war was any more "immoral" than any other war.
I hear this bullshit a lot and I've never received much of an answer for my
question. Do you have an answer?

Again, please point out to me how "It was absolutely could not be won". Just
because we didn't win it doesn't mean that it was "un winnable", another pile
of bullshit I have frequently heard. I'll give you that it was "un winnable"
the way it was waged and you take it from there. How about that? Got
anything?

Bill Clarke

>Subject: Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War!
>Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - H
>From: "unknown" unknonw3456@yahoo.com
>Date: 1/20/2004 10:55 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <1padnb4BVsihm5Pd4p2dnA@comcast.com>
>
>>>>>
>Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam
>War and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam
>>>>>War.

>
>JFK started the war? It is sad that an outspoken american like you
>don't know your history.

It is sad that a peckerhead like you does not know their people. Halberstam
referred to McNamara's book as shockingly dishonest. And that about sums up
McNamara. Self serving and dishonest. He is on record as saying he didn't
think JFK would have escalated in Vietnam. There is a difference in thinking
and knowing.

> "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will
>open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on
>McNamara taped conversations with JFK, the President was prepared
>to pull all military advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp.
>In other words and according to McNamara, there would NOT be a
>Vietnam War if JFK survived.

> And no, the war was not started from 1960 to 1963 during JFK term
>To be technically correct, the war started in september 2 1945, the
>hour after WW II ended.
>

Nice try but a few OSS personnel in Vietnam makes not a war. JFK escalated the
war when he increased the advisors from 400 to 16,000 and changed their mission
from an advisor status to that of actively engaged in combat. That makes a
war.

>And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said
>there was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not
>doing anything to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry
>the senator from nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.
>

Since you can't spell his name correctly I also doubt that you know if Bob
Kerrey is a war criminal or not. I don't think he is but I don't know either.

Despite all efforts to involve Powell in the My Lai tragedy only a few nuts
still insist that he was. Are you a nut?

Bill Clarke

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Hell! You beat me to it! You must have a faster server. WTF is
Chahtatushka?

unknown wrote:
> I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry
> action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would
> drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen
> in foreign soil

Right you are. Many people forget the cowardly U.S. would not invade
northern Vietnam, since the memory of the U.S. getting it's ass kicked
by the Chinese all the way back to the 38th parallel in Korea was still fresh.

But the bullies still lost.

, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have
> been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
> It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
> democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.

Thanks for remembering history. Especially the "totally immoral" part.

George Grapman squirmed on his festering, scab encrusted booty and
wrote:
>
> Arnold Wolfcaste wrote:
>
> > Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector wrote in message news:<400dbbfd.178438171@news.supernews.com>...
> > > Tell us about how Bush helped Hanoi Jane by going AWOL.
> >
> > Bush would not go near Hanoi Janes because she was too bust spreading
> > her STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) to all of her Viet Cong
> > boyfriends.

You were one of Jane Fonda's Viet Cong boyfriends George?

> > Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
> > his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>
> What were the GOP war wimps doing?

George, George, George. So many GOP voters today were Democrats
serving in Vietnam then. Unlike John Kerry and George Grapman,
they figured things out.

George Grapman wrote in message news:<400DEE82.2D411223@pacbell.net>...
> Arnold Wolfcaste wrote:
>
> > Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector wrote in message news:<400dbbfd.178438171@news.supernews.com>...
> > > Tell us about how Bush helped Hanoi Jane by going AWOL.
> >
> > Bush would not go near Hanoi Janes because she was too bust spreading
> > her STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) to all of her Viet Cong
> > boyfriends.
> >
> > Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
> > his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>
> What were the GOP war wimps doing?

We were not spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK (& LBJ's) Vietnam War
like liberal Democrats were!! Did Kerry catch his STDs from Hanoi
Jane? What is your excuse Grapman?


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3906380/

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m.../article.jhtml

Now in their 50s, they all said the growing sense of patriotism that
has swelled the nation since Sept. 11 will help them end their careers
on high notes.

It's their "last dance."

It's quite a change for Cannon. He Joined the Air Force 10 days after
his high school graduation. When he returned home from a tour at Clark
Air Base, Philippines, he was on a San Francisco cable car and people
spit on him three times because he was in uniform.

http://www.welcomehomeday.org/info/introduction.htm

Vietnam veterans were stereotyped and demonized to such a great extent
that even the widows of deceased servicemen received late-night
harassing phone calls. It has been said by some that at no point in
our country's history have our veterans been hurt more by our own
countrymen than by the enemy. Vietnam vets were harassed, believed
spit at, threatened, and denied employment. For many vets, the
homecoming was often a powerful first encounter that made their
adjustment to civilian society more difficult.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/annmargret.htm

Later at dinner, Richard was very quiet. When I asked if he'd like to
talk about it, my big strong husband broke down in tears. "That's the
first time anyone ever thanked me for my time in the Army", he said.

Richard, like many others, came home to people who spit on him and
shouted ugly things at him. That night was a turning point for him. He
walked a little straighter and, for the first time in years, was proud
to have been a Vet.

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjo...elpsvietn.html

Around the statue's base are the names of 166 Delaware soldiers killed
in Vietnam.

The service honors their memory, the lives of other Americans who were
killed or injured and the special sacrifices of those listed as
missing in action or taken as prisoners of war. It is also a tribute
to the veterans who survived the war and came home to a hostile
public. Many veterans struggled to heal emotionally from being spit on
or called "baby-killers" when they returned to the United States,
organizers said.

The annual candlelight vigil continues the healing process from that
time and renews the brotherhood among those who lived through the war
to return to Delaware.


I could add dozens more but I am sure you want to go back to watching
your Jane Fonda (commie slut) film collection on video.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:03:55 -0600, "unknown"
wrote this crap:

>>>>.
>Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
>his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
>>>>>
>
>I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry
>action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would
>drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen
>in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have
>been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
>It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
>democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.
>

Sure it could have. All we had to do is invade North Vietnam.


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"Horvath" wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:03:55 -0600, "unknown"
> wrote this crap:
>
> >>>>.
> >Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over
> >his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War.
> >>>>>
I am writing only to correct your inaccurate history. JFK did not start
the Vietnam War. The French sided with the South vietnamese fighting
against North Vietnam for seven years before realizing the mistake they had
made getting involved there. After the French pulled out, President
Eisenhower sent 3,000 military advisors to South vietnam to help them build
an army. Before he left office, Eisenhower make a speech at the Defense
Department in which he warned, "Beware of the military-industrial complex,
and do not get involved in a land war in Asia." That speech is set in
bronze placques and appear at the entrtance of the Defense Department --
with these warnings omitted. Anti-Communist sentiment in the U.S. was
running high when JFK became president, and grew in intenisity after the
Iron Curtain went up. To help the South vietnamese keep the northern
Communist invaders from taking over their country, JFK sent additional
troops to South vietnam. However, the real build-up came under Lyndon
Johnson. He expanded our forces over there from about 10,000 to around
250,000.

> >
> >I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of
kerry
> >action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war
would
> >drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have
fallen
> >in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would
have
> >been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral.
> >It took away American pride of its history. It took away american
> >democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won.
> >
>
> Sure it could have. All we had to do is invade North Vietnam.
>
>
> Horvath@Horvath.net
>
> This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe