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Old 07-20-2003, 12:27 PM
Tarapia Tapioco
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Ex-Spies: CIA Workers Outraged
NEW YORK, July 19, 2003


Before the bombs fell on Baghdad, there were analysts inside the
American intelligence community who were troubled by the U.S. case for
war, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta.

Raymond McGovern, a former CIA analyst and supervisor, says, "Never
before in my 40 years of experience in this town has intelligence been
used in so cynical and so orchestrated a way."

McGovern is one of several retired intelligence analysts who say they
are speaking out for those who can't inside the CIA.

"The Agency analysts that we are in touch with are disheartened,
dispirited, angry,” he says. “They are outraged."

In other developments in the growing controversy over the intelligence
presented to the public to justify the war in Iraq:

# A British weapons expert apparently killed himself, sending the
government of Prime Minister Tony Blair deeper into crisis. David Kelly
had been put uncomfortably in the spotlight as British officials have
been trying to find someone to blame for accusations they hyped
intelligence about Iraq's weapons threat. Polls show the British public
is losing faith in Blair with a majority feeling they were misled about
Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, reports CBS News Correspondent
Richard Roth.

# U.S. intelligence and senior administration officials admit there has
been little new evidence about Iraq's weapons program in the five years
since U.N. inspectors left Iraq, the New York Times reports.

# White House officials said Friday that President Bush and his national
security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, did not entirely read the most
authoritative prewar assessment of U.S. intelligence on Iraq, missing a
State Department claim that an allegation Bush would later use in his
State of the Union address was "highly dubious," the Washington Post
reports.

# Even as the Bush administration concluded Iraq was reviving its
nuclear weapons program, key signs — such as scientific data of weapons
work and evidence of research by Iraq's nuclear experts — were missing,
several former intelligence officials tell the Associated Press.

McGovern says many in the intelligence community feel they're taking the
heat for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and for
the uproar over the president's State of the Union speech -- despite
warnings from intelligence officials to some in the administration that
the case against Saddam Hussein's weapons programs was far from air-tight.

Lawrence Korb, former assistant secretary of defense, says, "They were
like lawyers trying to convince a jury. So they took bits and pieces of
evidence to present the best case."

Korb, a former Reagan administration official, says while the president
was presenting a case that appeared crystal clear, intelligence experts
saw a picture that was much more murky.

This is not the first time the United States has gone to war based on
facts that later turned out to be questionable. Almost 40 years ago,
President Johnson pointed to unconfirmed reports of attacks on American
ships in the Gulf of Tonkin to convince the congress to widen the war in
Vietnam."

"There's a little inscription in the marble emblazoned at the entrance
of CIA headquarters that says 'You shall know the truth and the truth
shall make you free'," says McGovern.

For some intelligence veterans, the fear is the truth and the
reputations of the people who must find the truth have become casualties
of this war.

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Old 07-20-2003, 01:39 PM
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Maybe it's time we stop being "politically correct" and start telling the
REALTRUTH ! ! !



"Tarapia Tapioco" wrote in message
news:15ff6961c5afef881edf8b4ffd8b17f5@firenze.linu x.it...
>
> Ex-Spies: CIA Workers Outraged
> NEW YORK, July 19, 2003
>
>
> Before the bombs fell on Baghdad, there were analysts inside the
> American intelligence community who were troubled by the U.S. case for
> war, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta.
>
> Raymond McGovern, a former CIA analyst and supervisor, says, "Never
> before in my 40 years of experience in this town has intelligence been
> used in so cynical and so orchestrated a way."
>
> McGovern is one of several retired intelligence analysts who say they
> are speaking out for those who can't inside the CIA.
>
> "The Agency analysts that we are in touch with are disheartened,
> dispirited, angry,” he says. “They are outraged."
>
> In other developments in the growing controversy over the intelligence
> presented to the public to justify the war in Iraq:
>
> # A British weapons expert apparently killed himself, sending the
> government of Prime Minister Tony Blair deeper into crisis. David Kelly
> had been put uncomfortably in the spotlight as British officials have
> been trying to find someone to blame for accusations they hyped
> intelligence about Iraq's weapons threat. Polls show the British public
> is losing faith in Blair with a majority feeling they were misled about
> Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, reports CBS News Correspondent
> Richard Roth.
>
> # U.S. intelligence and senior administration officials admit there has
> been little new evidence about Iraq's weapons program in the five years
> since U.N. inspectors left Iraq, the New York Times reports.
>
> # White House officials said Friday that President Bush and his national
> security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, did not entirely read the most
> authoritative prewar assessment of U.S. intelligence on Iraq, missing a
> State Department claim that an allegation Bush would later use in his
> State of the Union address was "highly dubious," the Washington Post
> reports.
>
> # Even as the Bush administration concluded Iraq was reviving its
> nuclear weapons program, key signs — such as scientific data of weapons
> work and evidence of research by Iraq's nuclear experts — were missing,
> several former intelligence officials tell the Associated Press.
>
> McGovern says many in the intelligence community feel they're taking the
> heat for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and for
> the uproar over the president's State of the Union speech -- despite
> warnings from intelligence officials to some in the administration that
> the case against Saddam Hussein's weapons programs was far from air-tight.
>
> Lawrence Korb, former assistant secretary of defense, says, "They were
> like lawyers trying to convince a jury. So they took bits and pieces of
> evidence to present the best case."
>
> Korb, a former Reagan administration official, says while the president
> was presenting a case that appeared crystal clear, intelligence experts
> saw a picture that was much more murky.
>
> This is not the first time the United States has gone to war based on
> facts that later turned out to be questionable. Almost 40 years ago,
> President Johnson pointed to unconfirmed reports of attacks on American
> ships in the Gulf of Tonkin to convince the congress to widen the war in
> Vietnam."
>
> "There's a little inscription in the marble emblazoned at the entrance
> of CIA headquarters that says 'You shall know the truth and the truth
> shall make you free'," says McGovern.
>
> For some intelligence veterans, the fear is the truth and the
> reputations of the people who must find the truth have become casualties
> of this war.
>



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Old 07-21-2003, 06:12 AM
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So you are blaming Clinton for Bush lying about intelligence he recieved?

Now I have heard it all.


Jeff


"JASON A. KAATZ" wrote in message
news:xjRSa.8559$On.1506979@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> This is not the CIA of Richard Helms. It is an agency born out of a

Clinton
> agenda of politically correct analysis. The fact of the matter is the
> son-of-bitches failed when it came to 9/11 and for a number of years
> consistently failed the U.S. military as well. The CIA has been out to
> lunch since Helms retired and its counterintelligence arm once headed by
> Jim Angleton has essentially ceased to function.
>
> Perhaps the CIA can tell what happened to all those chemical and

biological
> warfare disbursing tanks that mount on the back of pick-up trucks that

were
> made in Italy - something the politically correct collection of human
> garbage in the Democratic Party like Senator Kerry has continued to

ignore.
> The point being that both the CIA and FBI needed to be totally revamped

and
> the Clinton loyalists inside both agencies have to be replaced.
>
> The only agency capable of any credible analysis is the DIA. The whiz

kinds
> in the CIA sure as hell get high marks and have Ph.Ds. However, they dont
> one bit of common sense in their g-d dam brains and the American people

are
> sick and tired paying for the kind of substandard analysis they have been
> producing. Their substandard performance on the job as made the U.S. very
> vulnerable and the American people did far much better in terms of
> performance. As one long term FBI official pointed who is retired is that
> Bill and "Hillary Clinton" essentially wanted to gut the intelligence
> community to the point of destroying its effectiveness. Judging from both
> their backgrounds the only conclusion one can make is that they have been
> living in Disney world since their college days where they became heavly
> involved in radical left causes following the agenda of the IPS crowd. In
> the eight years the Clintons where in the White House they severaly gutted
> the national security of the nation.
>
>
> --------------
> "Bob Balick" wrote in message
> news:x6DSa.152384$8B.50973@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Maybe it's time we stop being "politically correct" and start telling

the
> > REALTRUTH ! ! !
> >
> >
> >
> > "Tarapia Tapioco" wrote in message
> > news:15ff6961c5afef881edf8b4ffd8b17f5@firenze.linu x.it...
> > >
> > > Ex-Spies: CIA Workers Outraged
> > > NEW YORK, July 19, 2003
> > >
> > >
> > > Before the bombs fell on Baghdad, there were analysts inside the
> > > American intelligence community who were troubled by the U.S. case for
> > > war, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta.
> > >
> > > Raymond McGovern, a former CIA analyst and supervisor, says, "Never
> > > before in my 40 years of experience in this town has intelligence been
> > > used in so cynical and so orchestrated a way."
> > >
> > > McGovern is one of several retired intelligence analysts who say they
> > > are speaking out for those who can't inside the CIA.
> > >
> > > "The Agency analysts that we are in touch with are disheartened,
> > > dispirited, angry," he says. "They are outraged."
> > >
> > > In other developments in the growing controversy over the intelligence
> > > presented to the public to justify the war in Iraq:
> > >
> > > # A British weapons expert apparently killed himself, sending the
> > > government of Prime Minister Tony Blair deeper into crisis. David

Kelly
> > > had been put uncomfortably in the spotlight as British officials have
> > > been trying to find someone to blame for accusations they hyped
> > > intelligence about Iraq's weapons threat. Polls show the British

public
> > > is losing faith in Blair with a majority feeling they were misled

about
> > > Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, reports CBS News Correspondent
> > > Richard Roth.
> > >
> > > # U.S. intelligence and senior administration officials admit there

has
> > > been little new evidence about Iraq's weapons program in the five

years
> > > since U.N. inspectors left Iraq, the New York Times reports.
> > >
> > > # White House officials said Friday that President Bush and his

national
> > > security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, did not entirely read the most
> > > authoritative prewar assessment of U.S. intelligence on Iraq, missing

a
> > > State Department claim that an allegation Bush would later use in his
> > > State of the Union address was "highly dubious," the Washington Post
> > > reports.
> > >
> > > # Even as the Bush administration concluded Iraq was reviving its
> > > nuclear weapons program, key signs - such as scientific data of

weapons
> > > work and evidence of research by Iraq's nuclear experts - were

missing,
> > > several former intelligence officials tell the Associated Press.
> > >
> > > McGovern says many in the intelligence community feel they're taking

the
> > > heat for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and

for
> > > the uproar over the president's State of the Union speech -- despite
> > > warnings from intelligence officials to some in the administration

that
> > > the case against Saddam Hussein's weapons programs was far from

> air-tight.
> > >
> > > Lawrence Korb, former assistant secretary of defense, says, "They were
> > > like lawyers trying to convince a jury. So they took bits and pieces

of
> > > evidence to present the best case."
> > >
> > > Korb, a former Reagan administration official, says while the

president
> > > was presenting a case that appeared crystal clear, intelligence

experts
> > > saw a picture that was much more murky.
> > >
> > > This is not the first time the United States has gone to war based on
> > > facts that later turned out to be questionable. Almost 40 years ago,
> > > President Johnson pointed to unconfirmed reports of attacks on

American
> > > ships in the Gulf of Tonkin to convince the congress to widen the war

in
> > > Vietnam."
> > >
> > > "There's a little inscription in the marble emblazoned at the entrance
> > > of CIA headquarters that says 'You shall know the truth and the truth
> > > shall make you free'," says McGovern.
> > >
> > > For some intelligence veterans, the fear is the truth and the
> > > reputations of the people who must find the truth have become

casualties
> > > of this war.
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



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Old 07-21-2003, 07:14 AM
rfrego@satx.rr.com
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Well what intelligence did Clinton had a pharmaceutical factory bombed
and when he bombed Tallil, Nasiriya, Kut, and Iskandariya?



On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 1335 GMT, "jwags"
wrote:

> So you are blaming Clinton for Bush lying about intelligence he recieved?
>
> Now I have heard it all.
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>"JASON A. KAATZ" wrote in message
>news:xjRSa.8559$On.1506979@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>> This is not the CIA of Richard Helms. It is an agency born out of a

>Clinton
>> agenda of politically correct analysis. The fact of the matter is the
>> son-of-bitches failed when it came to 9/11 and for a number of years
>> consistently failed the U.S. military as well. The CIA has been out to
>> lunch since Helms retired and its counterintelligence arm once headed by
>> Jim Angleton has essentially ceased to function.
>>
>> Perhaps the CIA can tell what happened to all those chemical and

>biological
>> warfare disbursing tanks that mount on the back of pick-up trucks that

>were
>> made in Italy - something the politically correct collection of human
>> garbage in the Democratic Party like Senator Kerry has continued to

>ignore.
>> The point being that both the CIA and FBI needed to be totally revamped

>and
>> the Clinton loyalists inside both agencies have to be replaced.
>>
>> The only agency capable of any credible analysis is the DIA. The whiz

>kinds
>> in the CIA sure as hell get high marks and have Ph.Ds. However, they dont
>> one bit of common sense in their g-d dam brains and the American people

>are
>> sick and tired paying for the kind of substandard analysis they have been
>> producing. Their substandard performance on the job as made the U.S. very
>> vulnerable and the American people did far much better in terms of
>> performance. As one long term FBI official pointed who is retired is that
>> Bill and "Hillary Clinton" essentially wanted to gut the intelligence
>> community to the point of destroying its effectiveness. Judging from both
>> their backgrounds the only conclusion one can make is that they have been
>> living in Disney world since their college days where they became heavly
>> involved in radical left causes following the agenda of the IPS crowd. In
>> the eight years the Clintons where in the White House they severaly gutted
>> the national security of the nation.
>>
>>
>> --------------
>> "Bob Balick" wrote in message
>> news:x6DSa.152384$8B.50973@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>> > Maybe it's time we stop being "politically correct" and start telling

>the
>> > REALTRUTH ! ! !
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Tarapia Tapioco" wrote in message
>> > news:15ff6961c5afef881edf8b4ffd8b17f5@firenze.linu x.it...
>> > >
>> > > Ex-Spies: CIA Workers Outraged
>> > > NEW YORK, July 19, 2003
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Before the bombs fell on Baghdad, there were analysts inside the
>> > > American intelligence community who were troubled by the U.S. case for
>> > > war, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta.
>> > >
>> > > Raymond McGovern, a former CIA analyst and supervisor, says, "Never
>> > > before in my 40 years of experience in this town has intelligence been
>> > > used in so cynical and so orchestrated a way."
>> > >
>> > > McGovern is one of several retired intelligence analysts who say they
>> > > are speaking out for those who can't inside the CIA.
>> > >
>> > > "The Agency analysts that we are in touch with are disheartened,
>> > > dispirited, angry," he says. "They are outraged."
>> > >
>> > > In other developments in the growing controversy over the intelligence
>> > > presented to the public to justify the war in Iraq:
>> > >
>> > > # A British weapons expert apparently killed himself, sending the
>> > > government of Prime Minister Tony Blair deeper into crisis. David

>Kelly
>> > > had been put uncomfortably in the spotlight as British officials have
>> > > been trying to find someone to blame for accusations they hyped
>> > > intelligence about Iraq's weapons threat. Polls show the British

>public
>> > > is losing faith in Blair with a majority feeling they were misled

>about
>> > > Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, reports CBS News Correspondent
>> > > Richard Roth.
>> > >
>> > > # U.S. intelligence and senior administration officials admit there

>has
>> > > been little new evidence about Iraq's weapons program in the five

>years
>> > > since U.N. inspectors left Iraq, the New York Times reports.
>> > >
>> > > # White House officials said Friday that President Bush and his

>national
>> > > security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, did not entirely read the most
>> > > authoritative prewar assessment of U.S. intelligence on Iraq, missing

>a
>> > > State Department claim that an allegation Bush would later use in his
>> > > State of the Union address was "highly dubious," the Washington Post
>> > > reports.
>> > >
>> > > # Even as the Bush administration concluded Iraq was reviving its
>> > > nuclear weapons program, key signs - such as scientific data of

>weapons
>> > > work and evidence of research by Iraq's nuclear experts - were

>missing,
>> > > several former intelligence officials tell the Associated Press.
>> > >
>> > > McGovern says many in the intelligence community feel they're taking

>the
>> > > heat for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and

>for
>> > > the uproar over the president's State of the Union speech -- despite
>> > > warnings from intelligence officials to some in the administration

>that
>> > > the case against Saddam Hussein's weapons programs was far from

>> air-tight.
>> > >
>> > > Lawrence Korb, former assistant secretary of defense, says, "They were
>> > > like lawyers trying to convince a jury. So they took bits and pieces

>of
>> > > evidence to present the best case."
>> > >
>> > > Korb, a former Reagan administration official, says while the

>president
>> > > was presenting a case that appeared crystal clear, intelligence

>experts
>> > > saw a picture that was much more murky.
>> > >
>> > > This is not the first time the United States has gone to war based on
>> > > facts that later turned out to be questionable. Almost 40 years ago,
>> > > President Johnson pointed to unconfirmed reports of attacks on

>American
>> > > ships in the Gulf of Tonkin to convince the congress to widen the war

>in
>> > > Vietnam."
>> > >
>> > > "There's a little inscription in the marble emblazoned at the entrance
>> > > of CIA headquarters that says 'You shall know the truth and the truth
>> > > shall make you free'," says McGovern.
>> > >
>> > > For some intelligence veterans, the fear is the truth and the
>> > > reputations of the people who must find the truth have become

>casualties
>> > > of this war.
>> > >
>> >
>> >

>>
>>

>


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Old 07-21-2003, 03:47 PM
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> wrote in message
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> Well what intelligence did Clinton had a pharmaceutical factory bombed
> and when he bombed Tallil, Nasiriya, Kut, and Iskandariya?

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