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Even Factcheck.org Whitewash.org Has to Admit Obama Lied His A.S.S. off on ACORN Last Night


From last night's debate:
Obama: The only involvement I've had with ACORN is, I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.
Factcheck.org response:
He did, but that wasn't his only involvement. He also worked closely with ACORN's Chicago office when he ran a Project Vote registration drive after law school, and Obama did some leadership training for Chicago ACORN. The Woods Fund, where Obama served as a board member, gave grants to ACORN's Chicago branch; both organizations are concerned with disadvantaged populations in that city. And during the primaries of this election, Obama's campaign paid upwards of $800,000 to the ACORN-affiliated Campaign Services Inc. for get-out-the-vote efforts (not voter registration). Those services were initially misrepresented on the campaign's Federal Election Commission reports, an error that some find suspicious and others say is par for the course. ACORN's Chicago office and CSI have not been under investigation.
Unsurprisingly, Obama also, once again, blatantly lied about his relationship with Bill Ayers and his vote on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, both of which, sadly but predictably, went completely unmentioned by Factcheck.org Whitewash.org.
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ACORN Watch: The FBI steps in

By Michelle Malkin • October 16, 2008 01:02 PM
Finally. Let’s hope it’s not too late.
The FBI is investigating whether the community activist group ACORN helped foster voter registration fraud around the nation before the presidential election.
A senior law enforcement official confirmed the investigation to The Associated Press on Thursday. A second senior law enforcement official says the FBI was looking at results of recent raids on ACORN offices in several states for any evidence of a coordinated national scam.
Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because regulatons forbid discussing ongoing investigations particularly so close to an election.
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Obama Lied Shamelessly About Ayers, ACORN, and BAIPA During Final Debate

October, 16, 2008 — nicedeb
But, before you listen to his lies and obfuscations, watch his totally inappropriate demeanor, as these troubling associations are brought up. He is positively beaming when McCain mentions ACORN, the thoroughly corrupt, radical organization that has spent $18 million to sign up 1.3 million voters in 21 states, and is now being investigated by the FBI for voter fraud. In a close election, a few thousand votes can make all the difference. What the hell is so funny?
This is no laughing matter.
First of all, Obama says he served on a board with Ayers, when they served on two, the Woods Fund, and The Chicago Annenberg Challenge, as well as at least a couple of panels. A timeline of their interactions can be found here. The fact that the two worked closely together is glossed over by Obama, who merely repeated his usual talking points about being only 8 years old when Ayers committed those “despicable acts”. Even more egregious is when he denied that his political career was launched in William Ayers’ living room:
MCCAIN: Well, again, while you were on the board of the Woods Foundation, you and Mr. Ayers, together, you sent $230,000 to ACORN. So — and you launched your political campaign in Mr. Ayers’ living room.
OBAMA: That’s absolutely not true.
MCCAIN: And the facts are facts and records are records.
OBAMA: And that’s not the facts.
That is a bald faced lie. At this point, it is a matter of public record that Obama launched his political career in The Ayers’ living room.
It’s blatant obfuscation when he patiently informs us that the grant for the CAC came from Republican, Walter Annenberg, an obviously trusting man, who never dreamed his money would be squandered as it was, on unworthy, radical, afrocentric organizations. It’s more obfuscation when he tells us that Ayers is not advising him in his campaign, and won’t when he’s in the White House. Nobody’s made that allegation.
Shameless.
As for ACORN: notice how he shakes his head, when McCain mentions the $800,000 Obama gave to the organization. He doesn’t go so far as to deny such an easily checked recent fact, but is willing to lie about his past extensive association with ACORN in the ’90’s when he was a community oraganizer. That’s a little harder to fact check, and takes some digging. But the truth is, he did more than represent the group once as an attorney. He was a member of The New Party, the short lived Socialistic political party that shared its national office with ACORN. He led “Project Vote”, a front group of ACORN (and from the same address)in the early nineties, as well as led “ACORN Power Training” classes. He also promised ACORN and friends that they would help shape his presidential agenda.
On to the The Born Alive Infant Protection act:
Here, Obama deploys the old “if it sounds incredible…it’s not true” excuse.Who would vote to allow already born infants to die?
Well, as many of us have been saying; it IS incredible, and, sadly it IS true. He did that. FOUR times. I was flabbergasted the first time I heard about it, and I didn’t even know the full extent of his opposition yet.
Obama expects people to say, “That can’t possibly be true. It must be an unfair smear”, because of the sheer monstrosity of his position in the Illinois Senate. But it’s not an unfair smear. It’s absolutely true.
That should tell you something about the man.
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McCain-Palin statement on FBI investigation of ACORN fficeffice" />>>
ARLINGTON, Va. — Today, McCain-Palin 2008 campaign manager Rick Davis released the following statement in response to the FBI's investigation of ACORN: >>
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"Given the fact the FBI has launched a nationwide investigation into the questionable voter registration practices of ACORN, it is imperative that Barack Obama's campaign cooperate fully with this important investigation.>>
To date, in public announcements including last night's debate, Barack Obama has attempted to conceal and distort his and his campaign's relationship with a group that is currently engaging in systematic voter fraud.>>
Barack Obama's campaign must fully disclose the true nature of his association with ACORN, including: >>
The total disclosure of all funds, including $832,000 from Barack Obama's campaign to ACORN and ACORN affiliations like Citizens Services, Inc.>>
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Any and all information the Obama campaign has related to ACORN's database of registered voters compiled during this election cycle. >>
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The total disclosure of coordination between Barack Obama's campaign, ACORN, and ACORN affiliations over the entirety of this election cycle. >>
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The truth behind ACORN's hiring of get-out-the-vote workers on Barack Obama's behalf in Ohio during this election cycle.>>
"In the spirit of a fair election Barack Obama should assist in this process prior to Election Day."
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The Boston offices of the controversial group ACORN were burgled yesterday and several computers stolen, the same day it was learned that the FBI is investigating whether the activist group helped foster voter registration fraud around the nation before the presidential election.

Chris Leonard, one of the men who runs the Boston branch, said he left their Fields Corner office about 9 p.m. Wednesday with the group’s director.

When staff returned yesterday at about 10 a.m. he said the office was a shambles, five of their desktop computers were stolen, their Internet lines and phone wires were ripped from the wall, and the alarm system appeared to be functioning, but for some reason had not alerted police.

Leonard said it was too early to say if the break was politically motivated.

“I think it could be. We don’t know enough to say for sure,” Leonard said. “Certainly the timeing is very suspicious . . .

It’s been building up around ACORN, there’s been all these false accusations.”

The FBI is looking at results of inquiries in several states, including a raid on the left-leaning group’s office in Las Vegas, for any evidence of a coordinated national voter fraud effort.

Two spokesmen for ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, yesterday said the FBI has not contacted the group.

“ACORN has not been notified that we are the target of an investigation by any authorities - nor should we be,” spokesman Kevin Whelan said in a statement.

Republican accusations about the group were raised during Wednesday’s presidential debate between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican candidate John McCain.

ACORN says it has registered 1.3 million voters, but some employees have been accused of submitting false registration forms - including some signed ‘Mickey Mouse.’ On the campaign trail, presidential candidate John McCain said the group could be on the verge of “destroying the fabric of democracy.” Obama, who has represented ACORN as a lawyer, downplayed his ties to the group and mocked McCain for bringing it up.
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ACORN irregularities alleged

By DianaWashington Valdez / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 10/17/2008 12:00:00 AM MDT



ACORN
Do you think the ACORN scandal is a threat to Democracy?
Total Votes =712 712
Yes.
68.11 % 68.11 %
No.
31.88 % 31.88 %



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EL PASO -- A former ACORN worker alleges he was fired four years ago by the organization after complaining about voter-registration irregularities to the El Paso County Elections Office.

"I was punished unfairly for being a whistle-blower, because I complained about what I observed at the ACORN office," said Daniel Mahar, a bartender and a stock-market day trader.

The El Paso County Sheriff's Office investigated his complaint about alleged voter-registration irregularities but dropped the inquiry after the district attorney's office turned down the case for prosecution.

An entry in the 2004 report by Detective Neil Baker states: "I was contacted by (Assistant District Attorney) Steven Spitzer that the requested grand jury subpoena would not be issued due to the circumstances surrounding (Mahar's) termination from employment and the allegations made do not constitute other than misdemeanor offenses."

Jose Manuel Escobedo, ACORN's regional organizer in El Paso, said Mahar was fired after two months because he challenged another employee to a fight.

ACORN stands for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, and it has been in the news lately after ACORN offices in other states, including New Mexico, came under scrutiny for voter-registration procedures. Escobedo also denied that Mahar talked to him twice about the alleged irregularities taking place, including renewing numerous voter registrations for people already registered to vote.

"I would say about 10 percent of the ACORN registrations were (irregular)," Mahar said Thursday.

"I don't recall that he told me about this," Escobedo said. "We helped about 12,000 people (then) register to vote."

This year, ACORN registered about 4,500 new voters in El Paso County.

Another former ACORN employee, Irene Galindo, told the detective "that ACORN, under the supervision of Jose Manuel Escobedo, has terminated almost all of the American citizen volunteer deputy registrars and replaced them with immigrants that are not eligible to vote," according to the report.

Escobedo said Galindo, a former rising star in ACORN, was another disgruntled employee who was dismissed around the time Mahar was let go, and he denied the allegations.

Helen Jamison, who was the county elections administrator at the time and is mentioned in the report, said she didn't recall Mahar's complaint.

According to the report, Jamison told the detective her office was so overwhelmed at that time she could not respond to the problems.

Elections Administrator Javier Chacon, then deputy elections administrator, said he recalled the event somewhat, and was contacted by the investigator.

However, Chacon said, no irregular voter registrations by ACORN or anyone else made it into the voter-registration rolls then or now.

Escobedo said ACORN nationwide has been disparaged unfairly, and he blames the Republic National Committee and the John McCain presidential campaign.

"ACORN helped register 1.2 million people (nationwide) ... and many low-income people who usually did not vote will get to vote in this election for the candidates of their choice," he said.

The state secretary of state, who oversees elections in Texas, has not received any complaints about ACORN and its voter-registration drives in the state, said Ashley Burton, spokeswoman for the state elections office.
Diana Washington Valdez may be reached at dvaldez@elpasotimes.com; 546-6140.
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ABC News Used Obama Contributor as 'Expert' in Defense of ACORN
By Terry Trippany (Bio | Archive)
October 17, 2008 - 19:46 ET

Justin Rood of ABC news came out with a tortured defense of ACORN today with the help of "experts" that claim there is no connection between invalid voter registrations and voter fraud. In order for Rood to make this claim he relies on the testimony of two "experts", namely Civil Rights attorney David Becker and Lorraine Minnite, a political science professor at Barnard College in New York.

A further examination of these two experts however shows that Rood is downright deceitful in presenting this argument. Lorraine Minnite actually donated $250 to the Obama campaign in March of this year while David Becker is anything but the Republican that he is portrayed as in the article. In fact Mr. Becker is a former director at People for the American Way, a liberal activist group that monitors "right wing organizations" and is currently launching a campaign aimed at Fighting Back Against Right-Wing Smears of ACORN.

Just in case you were unconvinced of the objectivity of Becker's former group note that they will be launching a full page ad in the New York Times in defense of ACORN.

We can hardly call these experts objective yet they are the people that ABC News is relying on to gloss over the multi-state voter fraud activities of a group that is intricately tied to Barack Obama.

An example of just how dishonest Rood is in his report is his characterization of Mr. Becker.

But McCain's voter fraud worries – about Acorn or anyone else – are unsupported by the facts, said experts on election fraud, who recall similar concerns being raised in several previous elections, despite a near-total absence of cases.

"There's no evidence that any of these invalid registrations lead to any invalid votes," said David Becker, project director of the "Make Voting Work" initiative for the Pew Charitable Trusts.

Becker should know: he was a lawyer for the Bush administration until 2005, in the Justice Department's voting rights section, which was part of the administration's aggressive anti-vote-fraud effort.

This is called validation by omission, as if working in the Bush justice department implies that you are a Republican supporter. Omitted are the facts that Becker is a Berkeley graduate that also worked in the justice department for the Clinton administration. After leaving the justice department he spent nearly two years as the director of People For the American Way, a Tides Foundation project that monitors the activities of right wing groups, and has partnered with left leaning advocacy groups such as NARAL, NOW, the ACLU, the NAACP and the AFL-CIO just to name a few.

Becker also wrote a 2005 article in the Washington Post called Reviving Jim Crow?. This article took for President Jimmy Carter's side of the argument claiming that a Georgia law requiring voter ID was a form of discrimination; an argument that was rejected by the Supreme Court of the United States.

I have no doubt that Becker is an expert lawyer but I'd be a little skeptical to consider him objective about ACORN by any stretch of the imagination.

As for the use of Lorainne Minnite, what can I say?

"We're chasing these ghosts of voter fraud, like chickens without a head," said Lorraine Minnite, a political science professor at Barnard College in New York who has researched voter fraud and fraud claims for most of the past decade. "I think it's completely overblown, I think it's meant to be a distraction."

"This stuff does not threaten the outcome of the election," said Minnite. "How many illegal ballots have been cast by people who are fraudulently registered to vote? By my count, it's zero. I just don't know of any, I've been looking for years for this stuff."

Glad she can count. Too bad she can't be transparent and disclose her support of Barack Obama up front. It is both indefensible and unprofessional to use an Obama campaign contributor without attribution as an expert in a news article to dispute John McCain.

Finally Rood resorts to a blurb on Fact Check.org as final proof that there is no evidence linking ACORN's massive dump of invalid registrations to an attempt to commit voter fraud.

Even the non-partisan truth-in-politics Web site FactCheck.org called foul on McCain's alleged possible conspiracy, noting that a Republican prosecutor handling a key Acorn registration fraud case has said there's no evidence indicating the group was involved in vote fraud.

This displays a sort of fifth grade logic, taking one case from the past and presenting it as some sort of all encompassing proof. But then I am probably dissing fifth graders here because even they know that a single example doesn't form a rule.

Even though the FactCheck.org site is completely anemic in terms of evidence supporting or negating proof of voter fraud with respect to ACORN we can note that the site does lists the following that is conveniently omitted in the ABC report:

It's true that the voter registration wing of the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now has run into trouble in several states. ACORN employees have been investigated and in some cases indicted for voter registration fraud. Most recently, more than 2,000 registrations in Lake County, Ind., have turned out to be falsified.

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Meanwhile, on the other side of the table, Obama wasn't entirely forthcoming about his relationship with ACORN:

Obama: The only involvement I've had with ACORN is, I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.

He did, but that wasn't his only involvement. He also worked closely with ACORN's Chicago office when he ran a Project Vote registration drive after law school, and Obama did some leadership training for Chicago ACORN. The Woods Fund, where Obama served as a board member, gave grants to ACORN's Chicago branch; both organizations are concerned with disadvantaged populations in that city. And during the primaries of this election, Obama's campaign paid upwards of $800,000 to the ACORN-affiliated Campaign Services Inc. for get-out-the-vote efforts (not voter registration). Those services were initially misrepresented on the campaign's Federal Election Commission reports, an error that some find suspicious and others say is par for the course.

Misrepresented!

For a more honest assessment of ACORN and I suggest Stanley Kurtz and Jim Hoft. ABC news clearly can't be counted on to objectively report their activities.

Terry Trippany is the publisher of Webloggin and holds the post as The Watcher at Watcher of Weasels.
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Group’s Tally of New Voters Was Vastly Overstated
By MICHAEL FALCONE and MICHAEL MOSS
On Oct. 6, the community organizing group Acorn and an affiliated charity called Project Vote announced with jubilation that they had registered 1.3 million new voters. But it turns out the claim was a wild exaggeration, and the real number of newly registered voters nationwide is closer to 450,000, Project Vote’s executive director, Michael Slater, said in an interview.

The remainder are registered voters who were changing their address and roughly 400,000 that were rejected by election officials for a variety of reasons, including duplicate registrations, incomplete forms and fraudulent submissions from low-paid field workers trying to please their supervisors, Mr. Slater acknowledged.

In registration drives, it is common for a percentage of newly registered voters to be disqualified for various reasons, although experts say the percentage is higher when groups pay workers to gather registrations. But the disclosure on Thursday that 30 percent of Acorn’s registrations were faulty was described by Republicans as further proof of what they said was Acorn’s effort to tilt the election unfairly.

“We were wondering how many were Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse,” said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee. “The group is really tainted, and any work they do is suspect.”

Republicans had been prepared for months to make an issue of Acorn’s registration drive. A year ago, the party’s national committee anticipated the surge of new registrations by putting a map of the country on its Web site, labeled “You Can’t Make This Up! Vote Fraud.”

Democrats and officials with Acorn accuse Republicans of trying to manufacture a controversy to deflect attention from alleged voter suppression activities in several states. Election officials and experts say there is little chance that significant numbers of supporters of either party would actually try to vote through a fraudulent registration.

Over the last few weeks, the Acorn registration drive has become a flash point in the campaign when the flood of new voter registrations prompted complaints from election officials about the high number of improper submissions. State and local officials have begun investigations into possible fraudulent activity in at least 10 states.

If interviews with two dozen voters in the swing states of Florida and Ohio are any indication, Republicans’ efforts appear to have resonated with some members of their own party as well as with some independents and Democrats.
“I’d have to see how bad it is and what happens,” said Dorrie Cohen, an 82-year-old Democrat in Boynton Beach, Fla. “If it’s very organized fraud, I think that I would question the election. If it’s just a few people trying something, I don’t think I would. However, there’s so much on the newspapers and the TV about it, I imagine it will be organized.”

Mr. Slater and Acorn officials have defended their voter registration work. They said that it remained technically difficult to weed out duplications without better access to election records, and that their internal auditing identified many of the fraudulent registrations, which they flagged for election officials to review.

“Everybody knows that when 1.3 million applications are submitted, not every single one of them gets on the rolls,” said Brian Kettenring, a spokesman for Acorn. “That’s common sense.”

The Republican drive to publicize Acorn’s problems has had another less visible impact on the race, shifting the focus of election lawyers in the homestretch to the Nov. 4 election. Much of the Democratic team of lawyers and operatives who had intended to work on monitoring voter rights at the polls has instead played defense the last two weeks, responding to accusations of fraud.

The Obama campaign has also sought to deflect Republican efforts to tie Acorn’s registration campaign to the Democratic presidential nominee, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois. The Republicans highlighted a federal election filing by the Obama campaign that showed an $832,598 payment last February to an Acorn affiliate, Citizens Services Inc., for “staging, sound, lighting.” The Republicans suggested that the payment was actually for voter registration. But the Obama campaign said it had mislabeled the payment, and it filed an amended report that reflects the money was for get-out-the-vote efforts.

In a letter on Thursday to Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey, the general counsel for the Obama campaign, Robert F. Bauer, said he worried that Republican Party officials or candidates would pressure the Justice Department to improperly involve itself in the election.

Accusations of impropriety by a Republican voter registration campaign surfaced this week in California, where the authorities arrested the owner of a firm hired by the California Republican Party to register voters. Officials said that the owner, Mark Jacoby, fraudulently registered himself at a childhood address to qualify for gathering signatures on petitions and registering voters.

Mr. Jacoby’s firm, Young Political Majors, is also facing accusations of tricking residents into registering as Republicans by having them sign petitions seeking tougher penalties for child molesters.

Mr. Jacoby’s lawyer, Dan Goldfine, said that the charges against his client were “baseless,” and added that although the authorities have been looking into accusations that Mr. Jacoby’s firm improperly registered voters, they did not charge him with those violations.

In June, federal election records show, the California Republican Party paid $175,000 for voter registration work to the firm of a Republican operative, Nathan Sproul, who has been investigated for voter registration fraud in several states. Mr. Sproul could not be reached for comment.

In interviews this week, Acorn officials said they had an extensive program to detect fraudulent applications, which included calling the registrants to verify information provided on the forms. They also said they had combed through electronic records from the group’s field offices across the country, and that their internal audit did not show evidence of pervasive voter registration fraud.

Most of the registrations that were rejected were duplicate forms, followed by incomplete forms. The Acorn officials said their investigation found about 9,000 voter registration cards that were determined to be fraudulent. A lawyer for the group estimated that perhaps 5,000 to 6,000 more cards employees turned in were fraudulent. Acorn officials said that 20 percent to 25 percent of the applications it submitted were likely duplicates, 5 percent were incomplete, and 1 percent to 1.5 percent were fraudulent. Mr. Slater said the estimates were based on past registration drives and a sampling of this one.

Acorn officials said they were unable to provide a state-by-state breakdown identifying where the fraudulent voter registrations were submitted, but a spokesman said that at least some bogus cards cropped up in all 18 states where the group had major registration drives. Acorn conducted smaller drives in three other states.

Mr. Kettenring, the Acorn spokesman, said the number of fraudulent cards did not vary widely from state to state, but he identified Acorn’s office in Gary, Ind., as a particular trouble spot. After Acorn officials identified the percentage of problematic cards to be “unsatisfactorily high,” they shut down the office for three weeks beginning in late August, and brought in new management and canvassers before reopening it.

The group also said it was forced to fire 829 of the 10,000 canvassers it hired during the election for job-related problems, including falsifying registration forms. Acorn officials say they pay canvassers an hourly wage and not by the number of forms they obtain.

Mr. Kettenring said Acorn intended to change the language on its Web site to reflect that 400,000 of the 1.3 million registration submissions would likely be rejected by election officials, but said the group did not intend to be misleading.

In Las Vegas, where state officials raided Acorn offices this month to seize records, the county registrar of voters, Harvard L. Lomax, said his workers had found hundreds of potentially fraudulent registrations beyond those identified by Acorn.

“What this has done is undermined confidence in the system, because voters don’t understand that we have checks and bounds,” Mr. Lomax said. “I’m confident in the integrity of elections here.”

Echoing other election officials, Mr. Lomax said registration fraud could be sharply reduced if registration workers were all volunteers. “I have a solution: Make it illegal to pay people to register to vote,” Mr. Lomax said. “Money is the root of evil.”

But Acorn officials say that paying workers helps their voter registration drives succeed in signing up large numbers of minority and low income voters.

Joseph Hickson, an automobile designer from Naples, Fla., who is registered as a Democrat, said the voter registration issue would be made moot by a large margin of victory for Mr. Obama.

“It really depends on how much of a landslide he has — if he has one,” Mr. Hickson said. “If it’s close there may be some questions.”

Renee K. Feltz contributed reporting.



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The folks over at ACORN - Barack Obama's favorite "community organizers" - now admit that more than 30 percent of the 1.3 million voter-registration forms they submitted this year were rejected by election officials nationwide.
So much for claims by the left that the issue is nothing to worry about.

Never mind all those applications by Mickey Mouse and Jive Turkey.

ACORN says no more than "1 to 1.5 percent" involved actual fraud - which was committed, according to their friends at
The New York Times, by "low-income field workers trying to please their supervisors." They were only following orders, you see . . .

Then again, yesterday's Times admits that ACORN-related voting fraud seems "to have resonated" - even among some Democrats and independents.

And with good reason.

Just a few days earlier, People for the American Way, the left-wing advocacy group, took out a full-page ad in the Times defending ACORN.

Charges of fraud, said the ad, are all a bunch of lies cooked up by "right-wing operatives" intent on keeping "low-income people and African-Americans from voting."

Maybe there were some problems with ACORN's voter registrations, the ad says, but only "a few bad apples" were responsible.

Too bad People for the American Way couldn't read the same day's Times before it placed that ad.

Because a long story a couple of pages later cites a report by ACORN's own lawyer that says the relationships between the group's 174 affiliates may have violated multiple federal laws.

The report raises problems, the article adds, about possible illegal use of charitable dollars for political purposes, improper money transfers and conflicts created by employees working for ACORN affiliates.

The report also addresses the $1 million embezzled by the brother of ACORN's founder and secretly hushed up for years by the organization - saying the group will have to call in "a knowledgeable, white-collar criminal attorney."
ACORN is under investigation in a dozen states in connection with its voter-registration schemes.

In July 2007, it settled the largest case of voter fraud in Washington state history. Three ACORN election hoaxers pleaded guilty; a prosecutor called ACORN's criminal sabotage "an act of vandalism upon the voter rolls."

And let's not forget ACORN's history, dating to the '80s, of trespassing, illegal seizure of private property, physical harassment, intimidation and outright extortion.

A few bad apples?

More like an orchard's worth.
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CNN: Voter Verification = Systematic Racist Voter Suppression

» by Bill Dupray in: Corruption, Crime & Punishment, Election, Law, Liberals, Media
Listen closely for all the references to ACORN’s tens of thousands of fraudulent registrations that have to be checked by the states to ensure that real voters are not canceled out by the Democrat Fraud Machine.




So Georgia is trying to weed out fraudulent registrations. A computer verification system turned up 50,000 mismatched files. Is there a problem so far? They talk to a kid who is probably a student from Boston going to college in Georgia.

Might she be registered in both places? CNN won’t say. The story makes up the angle that somehow Georgia is deliberately trying to suppress the black vote, when it is ACORN’s mission to go into minority neighborhoods and register as many phony, fraudulent names as possible. Again, did you hear all the references to ACORN?

Notice how sending somebody a letter postmarked October 9, 2008 asking them to verify their voting status is somehow sandbagging them by not leaving them enough time to go fix the problem. Three weeks isn’t enough time?

CNN, of course, forgot to tell us that the registration deadline in Georgia was October 6, 2008. They didn’t mention that Little Miss Disenfranchised might have turned in her registration in a trash bag full of ACORN registrations on the last day. An October 9 verification letter from the state looks pretty damn efficient to me.

How about the expert who darkly suggests that the verification process is deliberately designed to knock out new voters by means of the evil “No Match-No Vote” system. Aren’t the new voters the ones who have to be verified? And if their stuff doesn’t match, they shouldn’t vote - right?

To CNN, this is just another story about The Man trying to keep poor black folks from voting for Obama.

To normal Americans, it is about an efficient government entity doing an important job pretty well.

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