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Old 03-14-2008, 05:36 AM
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WASHINGTON - The House held an unusual closed-door session to talk about classified intelligence gathering in anticipation of a vote Friday on a warrantless eavesdropping bill.

The Democratic bill would set rules for the government's surveillance of phone calls and e-mails. President Bush has vowed to veto it.

The president's main objection is that the bill does not protect from lawsuits telecommunications companies that allowed the government to eavesdrop on their customers without permission from a court after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

House Republicans succeeded Thursday in delaying the vote by one day by requesting a rare, late-night closed session of Congress to discuss the bill. It was the first secret session of the House in a quarter century.

The last such session was in 1983, on U.S. support for paramilitary operations in Nicaragua. Only five closed sessions have taken place in the House since 1825.

Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee of Texas said she didn't believe any minds were changed on the bill but that the session allowed views to be exchanged.

"We couldn't have gone more of an extra mile to make sure we're doing the best for national security," she told The Associated Press.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said in an interview that he read aloud the titles — but not details — of intelligence reports "that shows the nature of the global threat and how dynamic the situation is, and how fluid."

Bush and congressional Republicans want the House to adopt the Senate version of the legislation, which provides a legal shield for telecom companies.

About 40 lawsuits have been filed against telecommunications companies by people and organizations alleging the companies violated wiretapping and privacy laws. The lawsuits have been combined and are pending before a single federal judge in California.

The Democrats' measure would encourage the judge to review in private the secret government documents underpinning the program to decide whether the companies acted lawfully.

The administration has prevented those documents from being revealed, even to a judge, by invoking the state secrets privilege. That puts the companies in a bind because they are unable to defend themselves in suits that allege they violated wiretapping and privacy laws.

The surveillance law is intended to help the government pursue suspected terrorists by making it easier to eavesdrop on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States. A temporary law expired Feb. 16 before Congress was able to produce a replacement bill. Bush opposed an extension of the temporary law as a means to pressure Congress into accepting the Senate version of the surveillance legislation.

Bush and most Capitol Hill Republicans say the lawsuits are damaging national security and unfairly punish telecommunications companies for helping the government in a time of war.
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For 232 years America has been the greatest democracy in the world and in the early days of that democracy things were simple and ran quite efficiently. Both the Senate and the House of Representatives gave those that elected them credit for having brains in their heads and those representatives listened to their electorate. Even today ninety-nine and forty-four one hundredths percent of the citizens in this country are screwed together tightly upstairs and know the difference between common sense and stupidity yet the House of Representatives insist on thinking that we’re stupid and insist on doing stupid things like NOT looking out for the bad guy in our midst. We must allow that fifty-six one hundredth percent of our population the game and allow that minority to rule our game or they might sue us for wanting to know who they are.
Mr. or Mrs. Elected Representative of mine please, make it simple. Allow those that we have hired to keep this country safe and secure the ability to find who, out there would like to do us harm. Didn’t 9/11 teach you something? Make it simple Mr. or Mrs. Representative, pass the bill that was approved by the Senate and send it on to the President for his signature before you go off on break somewhere. Companies that work with our employees that we hire and pay for with our tax dollars should not have to worry about getting sued for revealing bad guys in our midst.
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