CBS Stands By Its Story

[Jerry D]

Well stated Zuni

[zuni_rocket]

I doubt any of the left will give notice to this story but for the record-

Man who swore Bush into Air Guard speaks out
2004-09-24
by Lance Coleman
of The Daily Times Staff

Ed Morrisey Jr. has his opinion about rumors President Bush received preferential treatment when he was allowed into the Texas Air National Guard in the late 1960s.

The Blount Countian also has firsthand knowledge.

The 75-year-old Jackson Hills resident is a retired colonel with Texas Air National Guard. He swore Lt. George W. Bush into the service in May 1968.

On Thursday, Morrisey said the argument that Bush got off easy by being in the National Guard doesn't take into consideration the context of the 1960s.

``Bush and the others were flying several flights day or night over the Gulf of Mexico to identify the unknown,'' he said. ``The Cold War was a nervous time. You never knew. There were other things going on equally important to the country, and the Air National Guard had a primary role in it.''

Morrisey said the commander he worked for at the unit in Texas was sent there to rebuild the image of the unit. There were only two to four pilot training slots given to them per year, he said. Individuals questioned by an evaluation board and then chosen by the commander had to be the best.

``Bush was selected and he turned out just fine,'' he said.

According to Morrisey, after Bush began working as a fighter pilot, he became regarded as one of the best pilots there. Unit commander Col. Maurice Udell considered Bush to be one of his top five pilots, Morrisey said.

``The kid did good,'' he said.

Each pilot had to perform alert duty where they patrolled for unidentified aircraft during the threat of the Cold War, Morrisey said.

``Bush Jr. did good for us,'' Morrisey said. ``He pulled alert and he did it all.''

Morrisey said that while Bush didn't get preferential treatment, not everyone was allowed into the National Guard.

``We wanted the best we could get. We never knowingly took an unworthy individual in the units I belonged to,'' he said. ``You're only as good your worst individual.''

This isn't the first time a reporter called Morrisey asking whether or not Bush received preferential treatment. Shortly after Republicans nominated Bush for president in 2000, a reporter from Texas called Morrisey.

``That floored me. The only people that got preferential treatment was when Jimmy Carter pardoned those guys that went to Canada,'' he said of individuals who fled to Canada to avoid the draft during the war in Vietnam.

Speaking of the controversy surrounding Bush's Guard service during the Vietnam era, Morrisey said: ``I think it's tragic. I think real people can filter through this. At least I hope so.''

Morrisey said he agreed with Bush's work as president and supported the administration's aggressive stance toward fighting terrorism and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

``We've got to eliminate terrorists,'' he said. ``Let's get them where they're living instead of them getting my grandkids and great-grandkids here.''

Morrisey worked as the executive officer of the 147th Fighter Group from February of 1967 to July of 1968. From Texas he came to Alcoa where he was the first commandant of the Noncommissioned Officer Academy at McGhee Tyson Air National Guard Base. He also was ``dedicated to the development'' of the Air National Guard Leadership School and the Officer Preparatory Academy to commission Air Guard officers.

He was commandant for all three schools and became the first commander of the I.G. Brown Professional Military Education Center.

Morrisey has been involved in the community, including being a former member of the Blount Chamber of Commerce, president of the Maryville Kiwanis Club, Blount County Boys Club board member and on the ALCOA Scholarship Selection Committee

[reconeil]

Where you at?
Hope things by-passed you down in Florida? :cd:

Miss your responses here,...from the political: "Dark Side".
Can't just keep spending my time here complimenting politically like-minded people for being so-damn-aware of realities and what's actually politically honest.

Politically crossing swords is much more eye (mind also)-opening, productive and challenging fun, anyway.


Neil

[zuni_rocket]

This was sent to me by a friend who gets the inside or "the real skinny" & is usually right on the money.
Kerry's discharge

The enclosed brings up a new issue. I had noticed that his discharge was dated in 2001 but didn't think much about it. The enclosed raises some interesting aspects.

"Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore,,,,Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below.

He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.

His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th.

================================================== ==============
On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for
6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war.

It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.


Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution! 's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where All investigators are US Navy SEALs"

http://www.authentiseal.org

http://www.authentiseal.org

[Gimpy]

guys are a "RIOT", ya know that!

Where the phuck do y'all come up with this $hit. Y'all are evidently watchun to many reuns of the "twilight zone"! :cd:

The only thing that is the "real skinny" is the antenna on the top of your "tin-foil beenies" and you're evidently getting too many lightening bolts hitting your heads!

The ONLY things that are gonna "blow up" are you guys limited amount of brain cells that are left undamaged by your continued beliefs of this bull$hit propaganda from the right-wing RNC headquarters!

If ANY of this "stuff" were truly factual or unlawful................don't you think that after twenty some odd years in public service as an elected official and with ALL the political opponents and enemies he's faced that SOMEONE of these folks would have thought....duh :cd: .....to try and get him "prosecuted" for these so-called "aspects"????

What the hell is wrong with you guys................are you REALLY that goofy????? :re:

Just asking????

[SuperScout]

Kindly use your masterful cutNpaste prowess and find the Honorable Discharge certificate for one each LT (JG) Kerry, John F., and then post it here for all the world to see. And while you're at it, kindly show us how the Wonder Boy of the Delta discharged his remaining service obligation; show the naval reserve center where he allegedly performed his remaining months of obligation, disregarding those months when he was in Paris, consorting with America's enemies, and the placeand time where he performed his 17 days of active duty for training, as also required by his oath. I'm just guessing that if Kerry was proud of his service, as he daily reminds us, then a copy of his Honorable Discharge certificate would be available. And while you're at it, kindly show us the certificate(s) of his award of the Silver Star. We would really like to know when it (either of them) was signed, and by whom; then tell us why he has several versions for the same award. We breathlessly await your answer.

[reconeil]

The: "Me thinks thou dost protest too much" One (re. Gimpy) aside,...Thank You Very Much for the info on: "Phoney Rambo" and both Vietnam and current; "War Protestor Kerry". Such ALSO shouldn't be shoved-under-the-rug,...UNTIL TOO LATE.

Hopefully, and as you stated,...such will pass MEDIA CENSORSHIP (euphomistically referred to as: "Editing") and become HEADLINE NEWS by: "October 15"? After all, Our mostly: "Need-to-know" basis Press/Media in general, pretty-much doesn't like exposing anything so devastatingly detrimental about any of their: "Darlings" and/or the mostly suspect of intent and foreign-favoring Dems/Libs/Socialists/Leftists. It's sort-of-a religiously political and journalistic Lib Thing.

Regardless, thanks again for shedding some light on politics from: "The Dark Side". Truly appreciated,...and no doubt by VERY MANY OTHERS also.

Neil

P.S. Zuni,
When you get Gimpy all rattled and both overly-defensive and overly-offensive simultaneously (ie. The Dems Standard Exceptionally Deceptive and/or Excusing MOST ANYTHING and even treason mode),...you must know that such means that you're Right On Target. Plus your credibility to all increases greatly,...and at minimum at least a hundredfold.

[Gimpy]

Originally posted by SuperScout We breathlessly await your answer.

Don't hold your breath too long......................your face will be redder than it ALREADY is!

Sure I will be glad to help with the information you're asking about, just as soon as the questions about Bush's performance, treatment and exit from the Guard have been answered and ALL official documentation provided to the public!

In the enlistment papers he filled out in May 1968, Bush committed to 18 months of basic training, officer candidacy and flight instruction and a six-year tour, due to end in May 1974. He was also given the option of volunteering for foreign duty ? which could have led him to Vietnam . Bush checked the box stating: "Do not volunteer for overseas ."


A growing number of Bush critics has come forth in recent weeks, saying his youthful conduct then is very relevant today. They contrast Bush's early exit with the experience of thousands of weary American Guard troops and reservists today in the mess in Iraq, who have had their war tours involuntarily extended under the Bush administration. You don't SEE the hypocrisy here????

Gerald A. Lechliter, a retired Army colonel said this, "If he wanted to get out of Vietnam, fine. But he had a minimal responsibility to meet his contract, and he broke it. Now he wants our military Guard people in Iraq to make the ultimate sacrifice and accept extended tours."

At the time Bush was in service, the cost of training a National Guard pilot was more than $1 million. In addition to their standard six-year service commitment, Guard pilots typically agreed to fly for five years upon completion of their flight training. That standard contract has yet to surface among Bush's files. I wonder why???


Bush has given a simple explanation for why he stopped flying after his last sortie on April 16, 1972. In "A Charge to Keep," his 1999 autobiography, he said he "was no longer flying because the F-102 jet [he] had trained in was being replaced by a different fighter."

Those aging jets gradually were being replaced. A Guard spokseman said that in August or September of 1972, he received word that the 147th would be phasing out the F-102, leaving 11 fewer pilots' slots. Official records show, however, that the number of those jets at Ellington remained unchanged from the time Bush stopped flying until the following year.????


And in addition, according to Bush's file, he didn't show up for training for six months ? between May 15, when he was last seen by his Texas commanders, and late October, when he was credited with two days of training. Bush missed drills on at least 24 weekends over that period.

Guard rules specified no more than four weekend meeting absences a year. But Bush's Texas records contain no explanation for the missing months. Where are THOSE records???

And a number of Guard officials ? including a Houston physician who spent 10 years as the flight surgeon for Bush's air wing ? said they could not recall another pilot who skipped his mandatory medical exam.

"There were cases where they'd be a few weeks late because their regular jobs might get them in a bind," retired flight surgeon Jerry Marcontell said in a recent interview. "But I don't remember anyone missing a physical for months at a time. Certainly not a year."


Bush and his aides have changed their explanation for the missed physical. They said four years ago that he could not get to his family doctor, then later raised the phaseout of the fighters he flew. But a number of Guard pilots interviewed said it was part of their culture to always be ready and never miss a physical. Retired Air Force Judge Advocate General Scott Silliman, now a law professor at Duke University, said Bush's case was unusual because of the incomplete paper trail permitting such an arrangements.

A guardsman typically received 78 points a year ? 15 just for being a member, another 15 for attending two-week summer "active duty" training and 48 for "unit training assemblies," held one weekend per month. Bush's attendance record shows that he amassed 56 and then 50 points in his final two Guard years, when he was based both in Texas and in Alabama. While Bush met the minimum standard , he fell far below the 78-point mark and pulled only about half the duty of most pilots, who typically racked up 100 points or more a year, according to several former Texas Guard officials.

All National Guard members are also covered by a second federal guideline. As members of the Ready Reserve, they are available for call-up during national emergencies, and are required to show up for 48 drill periods and 15 active-duty days each fiscal year. Under those measures, Bush received 51 points out of a 63-point training minimum from 1972 to 1973, his final full year of Guard service.????


According to Lt. Col. Thomas Deall, director of public affairs for the Air Force Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, both the Guard and Ready Reserve standards had to be observed. "All members of the reserve, in order to have a good year, have to have their drills and active duty," Deall said. "People who miss drill weekends jeopardize getting a good year."

Guard members needed six such "good years" ? with fully credited service ? to complete their duty. But Bush's Texas Guard superiors said they knew nothing of that requirement, and other military experts said the 50-point rule had long been their prevailing annual standard.????

If there were any doubts at the time about Bush's performance, they were set aside by the fall of 1973. On Sept. 3, he requested an early discharge, saying he planned to attend Harvard Business School. Killian recommended the approval of his request a day later. On Oct. 1, Bush was discharged, eight months before his six-year commitment was to end.

To this day, supporting documetation during this time remains either unavailable or not produced.

So when Georgie-Boy comes "clean" with all of HIS "stuff"..............maybe you'll get your "stuff" from Kerry, huh????

[SuperScout]

Just in case you're still living in your little bunker and didn't get the news, be aware of the fact, reality, and truth that as the Vietnam war was winding down, the Air Force had more pilots then it had planes, and were granting 'early out' requests as a matter of policy. GWB was about out of his period of obligated service, and his request for an early out was granted. And there is no hypocrisy here, as the war in Vietnam was winding down, hence no extention of enlistments, whereas today, a real war is continuing. And remember, it was your wonder boy, LBJ, who stupidly failed to properly mobilize the Reserves or nationalize the Guard to meet the manpower needs of the 60's and 70's.

Having served in the National Guard, I'm quite aware of the point system and what constitutes a good year. And as any good soldier knows, an Honorable Discharge certificate is not flippantly extended, but is earned based upon honorable service, which includes fulfilling contractual obligations.

And just as I suspected, you can't produce an Honorable Discharge certificate from the Ketchup King, anymore than you can produce a valid citation from his Silver Star, or evidence of Kerry's fulfillment of his service obligation. This is such a typically pathetic and predicable reaction from liberals - just change the subject, and fail to answer the question. All you can offer is your continued evidence of your hatred from George W. Bush.

[zuni_rocket]

Let me repost the previous post I made because although I trusted my source I do not post address or names, unless they were consulted, or they had posted it on a website that can be access by the public & the later being the case will give you what I have on this topic.
Kerry's Military Record

Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore...Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!

This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser- tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.

His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th.

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article

104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where All investigators are US Navy SEALs"

http://www.authentiseal.org

http://www.authentiseal.org