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Deja Vu
McVeigh's Apr. 26 Letter to Fox News
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Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions of 1798: "In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." |
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Part II
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Q: What's the deal with you expressing interest in having your execution televised? A: First, it has nothing to do with seeking to be on camera - just look at how few on-camera interviews I have done. Rather, it is to make a point: In the U.S. we show, on television, re-enactments of real executions; mock-fictional executions (in movies); and real executions from foreign countries - yet we are ashamed to show our own justice system in action. It is ironic that we show foreign executions, but are afraid to show identical domestic laws being carried out. Q: What were some other options considered besides bombing? Who would you have targeted? A: I waited two years from "Waco" for non-violent "checks and balances" built into our system to correct the abuse of power we were seeing in federal actions against citizens. The Executive; Legislative; and Judicial branches not only concluded that the government did nothing wrong (leaving the door open for "Waco" to happen again), they actually gave awards and bonus pay to those agents involved, and conversely, jailed the survivors of the Waco inferno after the jury wanted them set free. Other "checks and balances" likewise proved futile: media awareness and outcry (the major media failed in its role as overseer of government ally); protest marches; letter campaigns; even small-budget video production; etc. - all failed to correct the abuse When violent action thus became an option, I considered, among other things, a campaign of individual assassination, with "eligible" targets to include: Federal Judge Walter Smith (Waco trial); Lon Horiuchi (FBI sniper at Ruby Ridge); and Janet Reno (making her accept "full responsibility" in deed, not just word). Q: Further describe motivations for bombing, and why you chose the bombing over other options. A: See enclosed documents (he's referring to letter below) Q. Summate feelings and lessons learned re: experience with legal system, and particularly, SJ. A. Stephen Jones was appointed (in his own mind), not as a defense attorney, but as an "independent prosecutor" representing Oklahoma state (just prior to "representing" me, he worked as an advisor to the chief law enforcement officer for the state of OK - Governor Frank Keating.) and its interests; and secondary, looking out for his own interests (namely fame and fortune). Having this experience under my belt, I would recommend that a defendant never trust his/her lawyer, for you can neither count on the attorney-client privilege, nor the ethical integrity of a given attorney. (I have also learned what "cronyism" means, in actual effect.) Q: Regarding to comments by AG; Keating A: Most of the insults are meritless and quite often absurd, so I don't pay them much attention. Hitler? Absurd. (Geraldo Rivera uses this same analogy, so Keating and Ashcroft are in good company!) Coward? This label would make Orwell proud ? it is double think at its finest. Collateral Damage? As an American news junkie; a military man; and a Gulf War veteran, where do they think I learned that? (It sure as hell wasn't Osama Bin Laden!) For all else, I would refer you to my enclosed paper "Hypocrisy", and to Ramzi Yousef's statement to the court just prior to his sentencing. I filter all labels and insults thusly. Q: Lessons? A: Many foreign nations and peoples hate Americans for the very reasons most Americans loathe me. Think about that. There are most likely many lessons in my story. Americans have the choice to try to learn from me (which is why I cooperated with the authors ofAmerican Terrorist),or they can choose to remain ignorant, and suffer the consequences.
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Thanks Sis,
I have no doubt that this is authentic and was sent to Rita. However, I think VcVeigh had some help in organizing and articulating his thoughts. Nothing wrong or bad about that and probably helpful, but I?m really curious as to what the original draft looked like, yikes. Notice no mention of the indiscriminate murder of infants and toddlers or claims of the legitimacy of such targets and associated rational. The interview seems to be responces to well veted questions and a bit more of the self anointing hero status things plus a big scoup of woe is me. All in all, it appears to support my speculation that VcVeigh was the superstar in his own ?B? movie. Kind of like he?s all seeing and knowing and then taking rational actions based upon logical decisions. Reminds me of Ernesto ?Che? Guevara whilst he was Fidel?s chief executioner and his rationalizing mass murder in terms of his own decisions about the needs of the revolution. Alas, yet another self-anointed ?B? movie super star, but tons and light years smarter than McVeigh. But still, a sicko is a sicko and birds of a feather. Scamp
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One Texas Ranger and one Bo Griz was all that was needed to prevent what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge.I don't believe anyone that remembers those two incidents and had the heart to sit through the hearings held later would disagree with me.
I also don't believe that any man or woman has the right to go outside therule of lawand decide who is going to pay for the mistakesof our government. Tim McVeigh wasmad at the world and needed a target. He was going to teach the "government" a lesson.He could of cared lessthat the "government" is"us" and we are the "government" so he got up one morning and blew the hell outof the individual lives of good hard working Americans and their children that make up the "government" of these United States. I'm appalled and angry when Iread such writings as Doc Urbs knowing how thatparticular"mindset" created the horror we experienced April 19, 1995 and it's aftermath that will never ever be forgotten by the citizens of Oklahoma. Saying my mind.... Arrow>>>>>
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Thank you Scamp for your responseand right on target! Sis
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The "government" McVeigh Destroyed
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Very sobering and interesting but I'm missing the connection between what I said and what McVeigh did. I am not propagating a violent solution to what I see as a serious deficiency in our Government to hold itself responsible for it's actions. What McVeigh and his cohorts did, be they CIA operatives/Iraqui's or whomever, was wrong. If you look behind the scenes our CIA and FBI both new what was going down and did nothing to stop it. The question that must always be asked is,"Who stands to benefit?" or in legalese cue bono(correct me if I'm wrong on the phrase or spelling please). Did that event and 9/11 solidify the Governments need to have another "Pearl Harbor" (which was another case of our Government killing thousands of our military((cannon fodder)) in order to draw us into war with Japan) as clearly stated in PNAC and other Globalist documents? Was OKC just one crazy person's sick attempt at vigilante justice? Although I certainly don't have all the answers, I think there is enough compelling evidence to demand a very deep and thorough look at what hand our Government plays in all this. My frustration is that I see and hear so many people in lock step with the politically correct Government spin. Sheople as I call them. Horrible violence is not solved with more horrible violence applied freely and used often. What did killing McVeigh solve especially if he ws a CIA patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald? Every Empire in history as we know it, that has used usurpation, chicanery, and violence to control the masses has always ended up being beat down by a bigger bully in the end. Again I don't have all the answers, but the one thing I do know is that unless each and every one of us seek to change within ourselves that which would make us more thoughtful, more caring, more understanding, more willing to listen, more of everything that is beneficial to our fellow humans and less selfish for ourselves we could see and understand much more and at a higher level than we now do. Why are we so dependent on oil? Selfish corporate and political greed.(Occam's Razor) Are there alernatives to oil that are much less damaging to the environment? Of course, we just have to be willing to suffer the hardships of such a phenomenal change in direction. However the current direction we are following insists that might it is right, corporate and political greed are good, and even though the President has within his grasp the powers of a Dictator (which we have let our Congressman grant him) it's OK he's really not a Dictator. That's what frustrates me so much and is all part of my spewage qouted above. People just don't think it's that bad or ever will be and if you do fall out of step you're definitely not very Patriotic. I'm sure I could have found a more respectful and less offensive way to express my thoughts, but there isn't going to be any retraction. If you are offended by my post I can't change that. If I am villified by my post I can't change that either. But for those that really understand what Patriotism and Freedom is, the answer doesn't lie in how many bombs you have, or how many guns or planes or how much control you have or how many of the bastiches are dead to pay for the pain they've inflicted on us. It is about how heavy a price you have paid and are willing to pay to dig through the stench and find the truth so that others might live free. It's about sacrifice, a different kind of sacrifice, the kind of sacrifice where you are more willing to lose your name, your reputation, your everything, because whatever you can lose you will, but in the end I truly believe the truth shall set you free. That's my journey not any of yours and it was selfish of me to think that I could impose it on any of you.
Doc Urb
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?If you look behind the scenes our CIA and FBI both new what was going down and did nothing to stop it.?
Opportunity knocks Doc, you seem totally convinced that your statement is absolutely factual. So, I?m all eyes and ears and all that is required is objective and provable who, what, where and when. Keep the speculation, loosey-goosy pseudo links, anonymous sources and papers without Authors bio and bib references out of the stack. Provable references to any charge filed or past or current authentic investigations by qualified individuals or institutions, domestic or international, are welcome. Scamp
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Doc Urb... I can't imagine an understanding of Freedom &Patriotism & Sacrifice greater than this: |
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