Anti-Gun Policies at Work

[darrels joy]

You may have already heard that two people were shot at the Southcenter Mall in Tukwila, Washington, last night (Source). One was killed and the other was seriously wounded. When I first read about the shooting last night, I decided to do some research. It didn’t take long to discover the ironic fact that the Southcenter Mall is an establishment that prohibits firearms (Source).

Now let’s take a time out for a moment to review Washington laws in regards to carrying a gun. The law states that in order to carry a concealed handgun outside of one’s home or fixed place of business, the person must have a concealed carry permit (Source). Because the law is worded in a way that only regulates the carrying of a concealed weapon, any citizen who can legally own a handgun can also legally carry it openly on his/her person without a permit.
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I’ve heard some argue before, “well what are the chances that a person with a gun is actually going to be right there near the shooter when something like that happens anyway?” I have two responses:
1) It doesn’t matter what the chances are. What matters is that there is a chance.
2) The person doesn’t have to be right there next to him. Take the story of the off-duty officer at the Trolley Square Mall for example:
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Go here to read the entire article...
http://mcmeador.wordpress.com/2008/1...icies-at-work/

[Seascamp]

From what I read it was a gang related shooting. Gang punks don’t purchase legal weaponry or get permits, nope. And due to immigration status or political sacred cow status, it is not unreasonable to assume that WA, is not going to get after the Gang punks. They pack ‘weight’ and don’t give a rats anus about who dies or for what stupid reason. If the trend in Reno is any indication, then public places are getting very dangerous. One wrong color or word, then the projectiles are let loose.

Scamp

[39mto39g]

Ban all guns except shot guns and bolt action rifles. There is no reason to have an hand gun or an auto rifle, except to kill people.

Ron

[Doc.2/47]

But...gosh, some folks NEED killing.

[darrels joy]

Ammo Registration Currently Under Review By 18 States

From CavMom comes this disturbing email:
This is frightening - they want my ammo they will get it one damn round at a time!!!


We are under assault from all sides. Ammo registration.

Ammo Confiscation (Many Americans are scared-to-death at what’s coming….)

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacturer in a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.

Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011.(Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!

If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!
This legislation is currently pending in 18 states:

Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm




http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/ammo-registration-currently-under-review-by-18-states/

[darrels joy]

With Obama As President This May Be Closer Than You Think


Fact or Fiction? This story was forwarded to me in an email so no credit for this one:

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At
least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With
your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.
You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.
In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes
it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both
thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to
the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call
police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are
privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours
was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar
has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of
a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry:
authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you
shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find
an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities
acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.
But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve
to Die."
The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably
win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several
times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their
lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you
told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District
Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as
your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your
anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a
picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury
to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison...

This case really happened.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law
forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun
sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of
1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except
shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by
private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man
with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.
When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable,
or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up
law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up
all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The
Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took Away
most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed
self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant
gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was
no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or
robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several
elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no
fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen
most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given
three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British
subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by
police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered
and licensed. Kinda like cars.

Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." --Samuel Adams

If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.

http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/

Secret move prepares release of Tony Martin

• Steven Morris
• guardian.co.uk, Friday July 25 2003 02.19 BST
• Article history

Tony Martin, the farmer jailed for shooting dead a burglar at his remote farmhouse, was secretly moved from prison yesterday in preparation for his release.


The highly unusual step was agreed in an effort to spare Martin the media scrum which would otherwise have greeted him on Monday, when he is due to be freed. The deci sion was also made in the light of continuing fear for his future security.

It is believed that he was taken to a safe house or a police station not far from his Norfolk home and will stay there until he is handed over to the tabloid newspaper which has bought the rights to his story.

Martin was jailed for life for murder after shooting Fred Barras, 16, who broke into his farmhouse in the Fenland vil lage of Emneth Hungate in August 1999.

The conviction was reduced to manslaughter on appeal when the judges accepted that Martin, 58, was suffering from a paranoid personality disorder. His life sentence was replaced by one of five years, of which he has served two thirds.

Ever since the shooting there have been persistent rumours that his life could be in danger from those out to avenge Barras's death.

Martin's MP, Henry Bellingham, who was involved in the talks on preparing his release, said it was thought better that the farmer did not have to run the gauntlet of the media or ill-wishers.

Late yesterday morning Martin was taken from High point prison in Suffolk. It is believed that word leaked out when a group of builders spotted him leaving.

Martin, whose case has been one of the most prominent of recent years, is used to being moved around. He has been in five prisons in five counties since his conviction.

On bail after the shooting, he was held in a safe house in the Midlands, but had to be returned to prison when the press discovered where he was.

Yesterday the police were combing his land and installing CCTV cameras around his farmhouse, Bleak House. A Norfolk police spokesman, Mel Lacey, said: "We have been to visit Mr Martin in prison a number of times to discuss the details of how we will be making his house secure."

Mr Bellingham said Martin planned two campaigns on his release, one to protect householders who defend themselves against intruders, another to prevent burglars getting legal aid to sue for compensation if they are injured during a break-in.

Barras's accomplice, Brendon Fearon, who was wounded in the raid, is suing Martin for damages. The case is due to be heard next year. Martin has said he plans to go home to Bleak House as soon as possible and continue farming. But such is the interest in his case that he will have to wait some time before his craving for the quiet life is satisfied.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/jul/25/tonymartin.ukcrime



Yes, I follow the stories through before I send them on. This still sucks.
Joy

[1CAVCCO15MED]

I went to the web site and it said the bills for Tennessee about coding ammunition are House 3245 and Senate 3395. There are no such bills. In fact there are no bills before the Tennessee legislature that mention ammuniton , firearms, weapons, criminal violations, handgun permits, or fish and game firearms whatsoever. Whoever posted that blog is a flat out liar. I sent an email to the blog stating the above and asked them if they were a liar.

[phuloi]

Originally Posted by 39mto39g

Ban all guns except shot guns and bolt action rifles. There is no reason to have an hand gun or an auto rifle, except to kill people.

Ron

Bad ideas,Ron.
First off, giving an inch to the anti-gun crowd would be a huge mistake, as they`re eroding our 2nd ammendment rights as we speak and they sure don`t need any help.
Secondly, there are many law-abiding sportsmen who, because of disabilities cannot operate a bolt action and wouldn`t be able to shoot if not for autoloaders.
And lastly, your short-sightedness on hand guns amazes me cause I know you are a hunter..in Texas. I don`t know too many hunters here in Grizzly Country who don`t carry a side arm-self, S&W .41 mag.

[MORTARDUDE]

Originally Posted by 1CAVCCO15MED

I went to the web site and it said the bills for Tennessee about coding ammunition are House 3245 and Senate 3395. There are no such bills. In fact there are no bills before the Tennessee legislature that mention ammuniton , firearms, weapons, criminal violations, handgun permits, or fish and game firearms whatsoever. Whoever posted that blog is a flat out liar. I sent an email to the blog stating the above and asked them if they were a liar.

Great post !!

Larry

[1CAVCCO15MED]

Their mail box was full. I guess they pissed off a lot of gun owners.