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Old 01-10-2011, 05:50 AM
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McCarthy readies gun control bill
By: Shira Toeplitz
January 9, 2011 05:57 PM EST

One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition the gunman used.

McCarthy ran for Congress after her husband was gunned down and her son seriously injured in a shooting in 1993 on a Long Island commuter train.

“My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow,” McCarthy told POLITICO in a Sunday afternoon phone interview.

Gun control activists cried it was time to reform weapons laws in the United States, almost immediately after a gunman killed six and injured 14 more, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Arizona on Saturday.

Many said that people with a history of mental instability, like the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, should not be able to buy a gun — and no one should be able to buy stockpiles of ammunition used by the 22-year-old assailant.

McCarthy said she plans to confer with House Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to see “if we can work something through” in the coming week.

McCarthy’s spokesman confirmed the legislation will target the high-capacity ammunition clips the Arizona gunman allegedly used in the shooting, but neither he or the congresswoman offered any further details.

“Again, we need to look at how this is going to work, to protect people, certainly citizens, and we have to look at what I can pass,” McCarthy said. “I don’t want to give the NRA – excuse the pun – the ammunition to come at me either.”

Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Brady, a Democrat from Philadelphia, told CNN that he also plans to take legislative action. He will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress.

Another vocal supporter for gun control, Illinois Rep. Mike Quigley, told POLITICO that he hopes “something good” can come from the Arizona tragedy – perhaps discussion on a new assault weapon ban, sales at gun shows and tracing measures.

Loughner legally purchased his weapon – a Glock 19 with an extended magazine – from an Arizona store. The same kind of extended magazine was illegal under the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

“The ability to buy a weapon that fires hundreds of bullets in less than a minute,” said Quigley. “He had an additional magazine capability. That’s not what a hunter needs. That’s not what someone needs to defend their home. That’s what you use to hunt people.”

After the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, in which a student with a history of psychological problems killed 33 and injured 25 others, lawmakers immediately started looking at gun control reforms both in the state and atthe federal level.

Then-Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine issued an executive order making it harder for people who have been committed to mental health treatment centers to buy a gun.

In 2008 President George W. Bush signed a law expanding the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which registered gun dealers use, to include more comprehensive reporting of mental health records. Under the current law, it is illegal for anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution” to purchase a firearm, according to the FBI’s website.

However, Loughner did not fall into either of those categories, according to Josh Horwitz, the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

“I’ve seen no evidence that he falls into those categories. It’s the same thing as this guy at Virginia Tech,” said Horwitz. “We can do a much better job checking people’s mental health background.”

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What Are the Gun Laws in Arizona?
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Caution: This summary is meant for general purposes only. Firearm laws frequently change and the following answers may not reflect changes in the laws.
Quick Reference:

State Requirements

Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No
Handguns

Permit to purchase handgun? No
Registration of handguns? No
Licensing of owners of handguns? No
Permit to carry handguns? Yes
Purchase:

It is unlawful to sell or give to a minor, without written consent of the minor's parent or legal guardian, a firearm or ammunition.
No state permit is required to purchase a shotgun, rifle, or handgun.
It is unlawful to sell or transfer a firearm to a "prohibited possessor."
Possession

No state permit is required to possess a shotgun, rifle or handgun. It is unlawful for a "prohibited possessor" to possess a firearm.
A prohibited possessor includes a person found to constitute a danger to himself or others pursuant to a court order and whose court ordered treatment has not been terminated.
Who has been convicted of a felony involving violence or possession and use of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument and whose civil rights have not been restored.
Who is at the time of possession serving a term of imprisonment in any correctional or detention facility.
Who at the time of possession is serving a term of probation pursuant to a conviction for a domestic violence offense or a felony offense, parole, community supervision, work furlough, home arrest or release on any other basis or who is serving a term of probation or parole.
Who was previously adjudicated delinquent and who possesses, uses or carries a firearm within ten years from the date of adjudication or release for an offense that if committed as an adult would constitute first or second degree burglary, arson, murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, robbery, aggravated assault, sexual assault or any felony offense involving the use or threatening exhibition of a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument.
An unemancipated person under 18 not accompanied by a parent, grandparent, guardian, or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with consent of the minor's parent, grandparent or guardian shall not carry or possess on his person, within his immediate control, or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place open to the public or on any street, highway, or on private property, except private property owned or leased by the minor or the minor's parent, grandparent, or guardian.
This prohibition does not apply to a person between 14 and 17 engaged in lawful hunting, marksmanship practice, transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of hunting or, between 5:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m., transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of marksmanship at a range or other area where the discharge of firearms is not prohibited.
Carrying:

No person shall carry a firearm "concealed on his person." This does not apply to a person in his dwelling, business premises or on real property owned or leased by that person. A handgun carried in a belt holster which is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage is not considered carrying concealed.
It is unlawful to carry a firearm concealed within the immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation. This does not apply to firearms carried in a case, holster or in a means of transportation or a storage compartment, trunk, pack, luggage, or glove compartment of a means of transportation.
No person shall, unless specifically authorized by law, enter a public establishment or attend a public event carrying a firearm after a reasonable request by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event to remove his firearm and place it in the custody of the operator or sponsor. This does not apply to shooting ranges or shooting events, hunting areas or similar locations or activities.
It is unlawful, unless specifically authorized by law, to enter an election polling place on the day of any election carrying a firearm.
It is unlawful to possess a deadly weapon on grade or high school grounds. This shall not apply to an unloaded firearm within a means of transportation under the control of an adult, provided, if the adult leaves the vehicle, it shall be locked and the unloaded firearm shall not be visible, or for a program approved by the school.
Permit to Carry a Concealed Weapon

The Department of Public Safety shall issue a permit to carry a concealed weapon to a resident of the state at least 21 years old, a U.S. citizen, who satisfactorily completes an approved firearms safety program, submits fingerprints and a fee determined by the Department of Public Safety, and who does not fall into a class of person prohibited to possess a firearm, such as a convicted felon, adjudicated mental incompetent, or illegal alien.
The qualification checks shall be completed within 60 days of receipt of the application and the permit will be issued within 15 working days after completing the checks.

The permit is valid for not more than four years and is renewable every four years.

Miscellaneous

It is unlawful to recklessly handle, display, or discharge a firearm with the intent to disturb the peace and quiet of a neighborhood, family or person.
No person shall discharge a firearm from a motor vehicle, including an automobile, aircraft, train, boat or floating object towed by powerboat or sailboat.
Wildlife may be taken in defense of self or another.
No person shall knowingly discharge a firearm into a road or railway.
It is unlawful to discharge a firearm while taking wildlife within a quarter mile of an occupied farm house or other residence, cabin, lodge or building without the permission of the owner or resident.
It is unlawful to possess while hunting any contrivance designed to silence, muffle or minimize the report of a firearm.
It is unlawful for any person while taking wildlife or while in any hunting area to handle or discharge any firearm while intoxicated or in a careless or reckless manner or with wanton disregard for the safety of human life or property.
Source: National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action
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I might just add one thing and make it a felony to allow a small child access to a gun which it uses to cause bodily harm to itself or others.
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well my take is there is too much knee jerk reaction going on right now. It the perpatrator used a rock to bash her brains out would they be intoducing laws to ban all rocks. I think not
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Brother Chris, I second that emotion. Everyone just needs to take a deep breath and slow down.

Everything I’ve read and heard about Representative Giffords portrays a balanced, calm, reasonable legislator, a one time Republican, now a blue dog Democrat, strong on fiscal responsibility, the second amendment, against the Arizona immigration law but demanding that our borders be secured. Below is a link to her website for those that want a reliable source to quote:

http://giffords.house.gov/legis/bipartisanship.shtml


The home page with a message from her husband can be found here:

http://giffords.house.gov/index.shtml



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It is just a damn crying shame.
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Just as is standard for most Leftists/Marxists/Progressives to: "Never let a crisis go wasted" in America, such apparently applies also to; "Never let a (MINDLESS TRAGEDY) go wasted" either for many would be Governmental Gun Control Disarmers of We Americans. Such worked well in old Russia & Germany.

Regardless & even though only a few days since The Arizona Slaughter by some Sicko Nut, I'm truly surprised that ex-Prez Bush hasn't also been included as the cause for that sad tragedy.

After all, for last 2 years Bush has been blamed for just about most everything else except hiding Obama's ACTUAL birth certificate from We The People.

But then? Let's wait & see tomorrow? Hey,...you never know?
Maybe George gets blamed again & Barry's or Barack's birth cerificate will be back in the news ?

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Just noticed from all the new info coming out about Sicko Collegiate Jared Loughner, what None (well that I know of anyway) typically politicizing most everything & now even playing The Blame Game with lunatic tragedies,...have even touched on what could have prevented such reoccurring sad carnages. I believe it's that old College Connection.

To me the alluded to prevention seems so-damn-obvious since Jared isn't first collegiate to go bonkers with a weapon,...and most assuredly will not be the last. There are just too many nuts out there.

Plus, whom more so than professors instigate young minds to riot, mayhem or whatever in-the-first-place?

Regardless, the main reason that Nut Loughner was even legally permitted buying a Glock & about 2 boxes of 9 mil. ammo in Arizona is actually due typical colleges or universities, and not actually any laxity due some gun shop or gun regulations.

Hell, people in general know that colleges & universities deny any crimes & even keep Rapes under wraps, "In House" or basically kept quite secret from area Law Enforcement Authorities. Thus, that OBVIOUS (not: "Alledged" as some news sources quite stupidly report) Killer & Wounder of Many quite easily purchased himself a deadly weapon with ammo.

As far as the gun shop & authorities knew, Loughner's record was squeeky-clean.

So then, and if there's any truly warranted being blamed for such weaponry involved tragedies,...it must go to college or university administrators. Such Missing Blame is only logical.

Typically keep it ones dirty-little-secret that you've got some Dangerous to Society Nut whom even teachers fear in classes from authorities (from gun shops also) running around,...and WE ALL will eventually suffer THE SEVEREST of CONSEQUENCES.

I personally would accuse & arrest such administrators for: "Aiding & Abetting" sicko killers. For such I would differently say: "Alledged Accomplices", since some might not have even heard about Twisted Killer Jared?

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