War, what is it good for.....

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.asp?b...d=10958951&pag

Fallen soldier's mother says her son 'died for absolutely nothing'
By John Tredrea , Staff Writer 02/12/2004



Generous, compassionate, warm, piercingly intelligent and insightful,
frank and open about his feelings, and fun loving.
That is how Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, who was killed in Iskandariyah,
Iraq on Feb. 3, is remembered by his grieving family. But their tumultuous
emotional mix is replete with stinging anger and frustration, as well as
overwhelming sorrow.
"My son died for absolutely nothing," Lt. Dvorin's mother, Sue Niederer,
declared with quiet, forceful bluntness in her Hopewell Township home on
Lake Baldwin Drive Friday. Ms. Niederer blames President George W. Bush
personally for her son's death.
"Seth died for President Bush's personal vendetta," she said. "Bush put
us where we should never have been. We're not even in a declared war."
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 0705 -0500 (EST), "Oklahoma Joe"
wrote:

..... getting rid of terrorists.

Liberals, what are they good for...
absolutetly NOTHIN' !!!

Say it again...

Charlie Wolf wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 0705 -0500 (EST), "Oklahoma Joe"
> wrote:
>
> ..... getting rid of terrorists.
>
You better run and hide then wolf.....


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>"Seth died for President Bush's personal vendetta," she said. "Bush put
>us where we should never have been. We're not even in a declared war."
>--

Nah! A group of dedicated maniacs (terrorists) has attacked America (and
American outposts for decades). Some people think Congress must
validate/confirm/legalize the condition of war with a legislative declaration.
Our enemies offer no such civilities, they simply kill and destroy. One either
sits by passively and waits for legislation/world opinion or one fights and
defends. I'm in the later camp.

Seth died fighting for freedom and democracy. To imply his life was wasted in a
personal vendetta is ludicrous. It is sad that some only see the loss of a life
in personal terms. Seth represents our nations' blood and was a fine warrior
defending the ideas for which our nation stands - freedom and democracy. The
finest our nation has to offer. He will be eternally remembered for his noble
sacrifice.

And that's my official declaration, gawdamnit!

Greg

You can bet your sweet bippy that the Islamo-Fascist terrorists in the
oil rich Mideast want the Dems to win '04.

Who better to enable and to further the Islamo-Fascist terrorist cause
of taking down America than the ill-Liberal neo-commie /
socialist-Hyenacrat Dems?

Read the **ENEMY WITHIN**

by Michael Savage, Ph.D,

author also of the best seller,

**SAVAGE NATION**

host of nationwide AM radio talk show,

"the Savage Nation,"

and founder of _the Paul Revere Society_.

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C.D.

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GrgLnsctt wrote:
>
> >"Seth died for President Bush's personal vendetta," she said. "Bush put
> >us where we should never have been. We're not even in a declared war."
> >--
>
> Nah! A group of dedicated maniacs (terrorists) has attacked America (and
> American outposts for decades). Some people think Congress must
> validate/confirm/legalize the condition of war with a legislative declaration.
> Our enemies offer no such civilities, they simply kill and destroy. One either
> sits by passively and waits for legislation/world opinion or one fights and
> defends. I'm in the later camp.
>
> Seth died fighting for freedom and democracy. To imply his life was wasted in a
> personal vendetta is ludicrous. It is sad that some only see the loss of a life
> in personal terms. Seth represents our nations' blood and was a fine warrior
> defending the ideas for which our nation stands - freedom and democracy. The
> finest our nation has to offer. He will be eternally remembered for his noble
> sacrifice.
>
> And that's my official declaration, gawdamnit!
>
> Greg

The grief of mothers is deep and personal.

It seems there is always somebody preparing for the grief of
the loved ones by seeding doubt and directing anger at President
Bush in the most distorted of terms, as in Lt. Dvorin's mother
saying "Seth died for President Bush's personal vendetta. Bush put
us where we should never have been. We're not even in a
declared war."

No doubt Seth's mother has been pounded endlessly with the
same message that has pounded us all, that the war against
terrorism has not been formally declared by Congress and that
therefore the war is illegal and illegitmate. The last time
Congress declared war in the fashion required by Seth's mother
was Dec. 8, 1941; and since then, the Congress has sat on its
hands, preferring safety and reelection over risk and leadership.

You're right Greg, America's enemies take advantage of
the quivering Congress and the milling mobs of Americans
that demand safety over justice.

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 0705 -0500 (EST), "Oklahoma Joe"
wrote:

>http://www.zwire.com/site/news.asp?b...d=10958951&pag
>
> Fallen soldier's mother says her son 'died for absolutely nothing'
>By John Tredrea , Staff Writer 02/12/2004
>
>
>
> Generous, compassionate, warm, piercingly intelligent and insightful,
>frank and open about his feelings, and fun loving.
> That is how Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, who was killed in Iskandariyah,
>Iraq on Feb. 3, is remembered by his grieving family. But their tumultuous
>emotional mix is replete with stinging anger and frustration, as well as
>overwhelming sorrow.
> "My son died for absolutely nothing," Lt. Dvorin's mother, Sue Niederer,
>declared with quiet, forceful bluntness in her Hopewell Township home on
>Lake Baldwin Drive Friday. Ms. Niederer blames President George W. Bush
>personally for her son's death.
> "Seth died for President Bush's personal vendetta," she said. "Bush put
>us where we should never have been. We're not even in a declared war."

It's a volunteer force. Her son knew the risks. She needs to quietly
vent her grief and STFU.




--

"Conan, what is best in life?''

''To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.''

"FlipFlopKetchupBoy theRichWhiteGigolo" wrote in
message news:13560-4030F3FC-418@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net...
> You can bet your sweet bippy that the Islamo-Fascist terrorists in the
> oil rich Mideast want the Dems to win '04.
>
> Who better to enable and to further the Islamo-Fascist terrorist cause
> of taking down America than the ill-Liberal neo-commie /
> socialist-Hyenacrat Dems?

The first thing the Dems will do is to rebuild our relations with our allies
in Europe and Asia. That will recreate a multi-national effective front
against terrorists.

Bush had that front but pissed it away in Iraq.

>allies in Europe

Allies like Germany (vestige: Hitler & Nazi), France (vestige: Petain &
Vichy), and Russia (vestige: Stalin & Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics)?

Who all three were illegally taking big bucks from Saddam in exchange
for oil behind the U.S.'s and the U.N.'s back for 12 years in direct
violation of numerous U.N. resolutions including #1441?

Who all three were selling Saddam weapons that were used to shoot at
U.S.and British aircraft enforcing the No-Fly Zone for which Iraq still
owes big bucks?

With "allies" like that, who needs enemies?

Germany and France are no more allies to the U.S. than the Democrats are
supporters of the U.S. military, national defense, or the human
intelligence gathering apparatus.

The Clinton Administration gutted the military, slashed national
defense, and all but eliminated our human intelligence on the ground in
the Mideast {satellite photos alone won't do the trick} and Kerry no
doubt intends to do the same, or worse.

>Asia

You mean like Communist Mainland Red China, the folks who gave money to
Clinton's re-election campaign in 1996 in exchange for nuclear weaponry
secrets which found their way into Pakistan's hands and then on to North
Korea's and Iran's?

So you Dems *do* support the Axis of Evil as well as the terrorists in
Iraq and Afghanistan, don't you?

Here's what's happening for grassroot members of the Democrat Party:

http://www.f16viper.org/eject.mpg

IOW, they're bailing out as the Party crashes and burns.

The Red Flag of the Clinton-run socialist Democrat Party has faded in
the 21st century sun to surrender monkey white.

Rodham-Clinton legacy:

2002 - Clinton Admits: "I Refused Bin Laden Extradition Offer" - Audio:

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.sh...02/8/10/230919

1993 - Clinton controls White House while Democrats control Senate,
House, state legislatures, governorships.

2004 - Republicans own all that.

Why?

Clinton lies and scandals.

1998 - Just another distraction from Tail-Gate(?):

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html

2003 - from Clinton:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/World/story_54281.asp

What happened to the strong on national defense, space pioneering,
physical fitness advocating, middle class tax cutting Democratic Party
of JFK?