Stranger all the time

[Andy]

The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts has done it again. This state has court rulings that make search and seizure difficult and sometimes dangerous for police.
This is particularly true when searching cars. Basically it is impossible to use a body wire to tape conversations with bad guys. Then the ?High Court? decided we should have gay marriage. Well, they just pulled another one.

Yesterday the highest court in the Commonwealth ruled on a case of a step father, age 60, having sex with his teenaged daughter. They said it was not incest because he was only a step father, not the biological father. The age of consent in this state is 16 years old, I believe the girl in question is 17. Thus, there was no statutory rape. It?s fine for the old boy to screw his daughter.
Scotty, beam me up!

Stay healthy,
Andy

[DMZ-LT]

Beam you down to GA ! Quick.

[BLUEHAWK]

Incest is a moral and legal taboo SOLELY because of the genetic danger it presents... there never was (so far as I am aware) ANY religious grounds to be against it... at least not as written into the secular law of most civilizations.

In the absence of forcible sexual contact, then the legal issue in Mass. is, obviously, the age of consent. In which case, and apparently in BOTH major aspects of the case cited, the court did nothing more than enforce the law as it is written... which is what we expect them to do.

This is quite different than their handiwork on gay marriage... in which instance they actually sidestepped (to put it charitably) their own legislature. Having said that, it must also be stated that the legislature sorta fell hook line and sinker for the judicial feint move by failing to block it, eh?

[MORTARDUDE]

Didn't Woody Allen do the same thing ???

Larry

[revwardoc]

This once again proves that the Law and Justice are two seperate and distinct entities.

[Boats]

Doc your right. But there is something wrong with the way the law is written. To abuse ones own kind is a crime against humanity.

It's medieval and goes against the grain. We should have progressed a little further than coming to this.

[Keith_Hixson]

The Bible prohibits incest:

Sex with anyone closely related to you including step children, etc.

SAD State of the State of Massachusettes.

Keith

I wrote a thesis on Incest. A large percentage of incest is between step-father and step-daughter. So, I wonder how many cases in the state of Washington would have to be thrown out under this ruling. In my thesis I wrote about several guys who spent time behind bars for consenual sex with their older step daughters. I wonder how many men will now be able to sue the state of Mass. for wrongful imprisonment. Sorry to here about this ruling. They need to tighten up the laws with a better description of incest.

[Dragon Lady]

This is plainly an abuse of power. He holds a position of authority over this child...sorry but in my book a teenage girl usually does not have the strength of mind to make these types of decisions until past the age of 22. There is something that happens around the age of 23-24, maybe life has happened. How many young girls are going to feel safe enough to say NO. He is her father figure. Chances are he is also the disciplinarian. How intimidating to this child.

This to me is no different than the abuse of authority that Bill Clinton exhibited over his intern Monica. That was the crime he committed. Regardless if it was considered consentual.

I find it interesting that a teenager cannot enter into a legal binding contract before the age of 18, cannot hold a credit card before the age of 21, cannot rent a car before the age of 21, cannot purchase cigarettes before the age of 18, cannot purchase alcohol until 21...BUT can legally consent to sexual intercourse, get pregnant, and make serious LIFE decisions for herself and her child at the age of 16.

How ironic.

[Andy]

As always the law isn?t black and white but rather it?s gray.

1. A man marries a woman with a 15 year old daughter. The girl turns 16, then she and the step father have sex. That sits very wrong with me but perhaps it isn?t criminal, just immoral. Well, it is adultery but that law is very seldom used.

2. A man marries a woman with a 4 year old daughter. He aids in bringing up the child, she views him as her dad. He is the authority figure, more so than a cop or teacher or priest. For her 16th birthday he boinks her. With family dynamics what they are, a child of that ilk, possibility never knowing anyone but the step father as ?Daddy? is being abused, is being violated.

There is a real difference in the two scenarios. Shouldn?t this be similar to pornography? With porno, the question is, does this violate community standards? Before they cleaned up 42nd St. in New York City you could pay a cover charge, walk into theater and watch live sex shows, straight, gay, bondage, transsexuals, whatever, which always ended up with actual intercourse. I don?t think most of us live in cities that would allow such clubs to operate.

Trust me, I?ve never been a prude but if everyone knows it?s wrong it?s probably wrong.
If I saw a an animal that looked like an elephant and sounded like an elephant and walked like an elephant, I?d say, that?s an elephant. Our high court would say, ?This may well be a mouse with a granular condition?.

Keith, you obviously spent a long time studying incest, it is a sad subject. Of the rapes I investigated we did two biological fathers, two uncles and a grandfather. One man started when the child was six. In one case dad would not allow his daughter to go to girl scouts, extra school activities, etc without first providing him with oral sex. Dad said she had to, so she did. VERY SAD.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[Keith_Hixson]

1. It should definitely be a form of incest. They are living in the same home, he is definitely an authority figure and therefore has power over her. With kids being sexual active at such a young age now days, there is a good chance she was sexual active prior to the incest. However, he is still in an authority position and she is under 18, it should either be rape or incest. However, I don't know how the laws in the State of Massachusette are written. They (Supreme Court) are probably interpreting the laws as they read. Here in Washington we have rape by an authority figure laws. Basically protecting high school students but it also applies to ministers, step fathers, bosses, etc. If they are under 18 and you are an authority figure in their lives, you are in big trouble, its called something like abuse of power law. I believe it is a good law. It was interesting that both women libbers and conservative Christians joined together to get the law passed. (Interesting coalition in this case)

2. In my studies they found that most incest nowadays was between a step father and step daughter. Most incest began when the child was quite young, anywhere from 2 or 3 all the way to the age of 12. Average age was (if my memory serves me correctly) 7 when the incest started. Full intercourse usually didn't start until after age 11 or 12. Really Sick!!!

3. There are two kinds of incest. One is done by standard old disgusting pedophiles and the what we call standard incest. Pedophiles are those who prey upon young kids regardless of their relationship with him/her. Regular incest is those who prey upon family members and in a weird form of rationalization and justification actually believe they are showing love to the child they are molesting. However, studies show that pedophiles are almost untreatable as a mental illness But on the other hand those who commit (standard ) incest can be treated and around 95 percent of them will never reoffend. Once shown the error of their irrational thinking they make the changes and don't reoffend.

4. Depending on the study. 7 to 15 percent of all women experienced incest. Probably around 10% would be fairly accurate.

I have interviewed a few men involved in incest. And a woman or two. 15% of all incest is by women.

Keith