A Common Sense Solution

[reconeil]

Yeah, it truly is some rarity when you or any Dem even somewhat agrees with a Conservative Independent Thinker/Voter, like myself.

Still, believe you calling Bush & Republicans' sound solution for bringing down absurdly high fuel pricings: "A Hoax",...is TOTALLY OFF THE WALL. The Last few days certainly prove such most certainly NO: "Hoax". Tying into Banking,Housing & Fannie(whatever) problems, much like mixing apples with oranges.

Just the mention by usually accomplish nothing politicians (of whatever BENT) releasing VAST RESERVES of The People's Crude Oil into The World Oil Market, has made World Oil Futures DROP MORE in a couple of days...THAN EVER BEFORE. "BIGGEST DOWN WEEK EVER".

Regardless and World Oil Price finally going in a right direction aside, all citizens of The Large Oil EXPORTING Nations of The West should all in concert ask their leaders, rulers or whatever, one simple question...orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr: How come many Oil EXPORTING Nations of Africa, Asia, Middle East and/or Opec Nation Capitalists don't daily screw-over their very own people & economies, with the greedily manipulated World Oil Spot Price,...as The Western Large Oil EXPORTERS quite commonly DAILY DO?

One might also rightfully ask why People of The West & Economies don't similarly benefit from their Vast Natural Resource, also. Why is that? Could it be that Our Representatives represent THEMSELVES & BIG OIL FAT CATS infinitely better than: "We The (Schnooks)" and/or U.S Taxpayer? Sure-as-hell-seems-so.

Bet WE even pay for Pelosi's jet fuel for weekly cross-country trips home, also.
Did she ever get the bigger jet, demanded? Can she sell & profit from extra seats not needed? Just curious?

Whatever, check-out: "BIG OIL Imbroglio, Con or Rip-off???" on www.wowcopy.com or; "BIG OIL equals BIG CON" here on Patfiles, for further pertinent info about a grandiose, lordly & truly sickening overall deceit.

Neil

[Gimpy]

Originally Posted by SuperScout

Irrespective of your traditionally gleaned information of cutNpaste from any website that supports your leftist/liberal/socialist agenda, what you know about drilling for oil and natural gas is exceeded only by your knowledge of underwater quantum bio-physics.

What did I write that was a lie? Prove it, or I'll consider your apology.

How about THIS...............

Originally Posted by SuperScout

[From US Senator Kay B. Hutchinson R-TX)

We need energy for Americans produced by Americans, and we need it now. Instead of searching for scapegoats, we should be searching for
additional energy resources to be part of a bold, comprehensive plan
for America's energy security in the 21st century. [ I couldn't have said it better, even if I wrote her material.]

Well theres' ONE--------------

And here is another!.....................

Originally Posted by SuperScout

Just how much oil do any of you think we're EXPORTING and to whom?

?

The damn oil companies are shipping OUR PRODUCTS overseas!


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Reuters


ANALYSIS-US oil firms seek drilling access, but exports soar
07.03.08, 2:40 PM ET


United States - By Tom Doggett


WASHINGTON3 (Reuters) - While the U.S. oil industry want access to more federal lands to help reduce reliance on foreign suppliers, American-based companies are shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel to other countries.

A record 1.6 million barrels a day in U.S. refined petroleum products were exported during the first four months of this year, up 33 percent from 1.2 million barrels a day over the same period in 2007. Shipments this February topped 1.8 million barrels a day for the first time during any month, according to final numbers from the Energy Department.

The surge in exports appears to contradict the pleas from the U.S. oil industry and the Bush administration for Congress to open more offshore waters and Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling.

"We can help alleviate shortages by drilling for oil and gas in our own country," President Bush told reporters this week. "We have got the opportunity to find more crude oil here at home." (damn lying asshole!-----Gimp)

"As a nation, we can have more control over our energy destiny by supplying more of the oil and natural gas we'll be consuming from resources here at home," Red Cavaney, president of the American Petroleum (otcbb: AMPE.OB - news - people ) Institute, said in a letter last week to U.S. lawmakers.

But environmentalists and other opponents to expanding drilling areas will surely seize on the record exports to argue Congress should not open more acres if U.S. refineries are churning crude oil into petroleum products that are sent out of the American market.


(Ya think-----DUH?----Gimp)


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That enough for ya??

Gimp

[SuperScout]

Where did I say that the US wasn't exporting oil? I simply asked a question of to whom, but all I got from you was your ham-handed response.

Just for your reading pleasure, I'll respond to your last cutNpaste data:

On the Outer Continental Shelf, 82% of federal natural gas and 79% of federal oil is located in areas that are currently open for leasing.

So what does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Keep reading.

_ Onshore, 62% of oil and 84% of natural gas resources are either fully accessible under standard lease stipulations designed to protect lands and wildlife, or will be accessible pending the completion of land-use planning or environmental reviews.
Note this last little statement: pending completion...blah blah blah. Do you have any idea how long these 'pending ...reviews' can take? A project I worked on several years ago had 'pending ...review' that lasted 48 months. All during that time, lease payments had to be made and not one dime of earnings was realized. Keep reading.

_ Between 1999 and 2007, drilling permits for oil and gas development on public lands increased more than 361%.
And you point is? As the price of oil increased, the number of permits applied for will increase proportionally. No rocket science required here, but keep reading.

Since 2004, the Bureau of Land Management has issued 28,776 permits to drill on public land; in that same time, only 18,954 wells were actually drilled.
Again, by posting this, you demonstrate your repeated efforts to signify to the world how little you know about oil exploration. Just because a wildcatter has a permit doesn't mean he's going to run out and crank up that rig. Part of the problem is that the oil industry - the wildcatters that is - have had to do some serious recapitalization after the long dry period of inactivity domestically when oil was $20-30 a barrel. It takes a long time to put together the investors, place an order for the rig to be put together, have it constructed, yada yada, before any Texas Tea gets pumped out of the ground. Are you learning something yet?

Oil and gas companies have stockpiled nearly 10,000 extra permits to drill that they are not using to increase domestic production.

When you buy groceries, do you just buy for one day? Or even in your fevered condition, do you actually plan ahead? Gosh, what a concept!
You jut might be able to learn something yet!

Onshore, of the 47.5 million acres of federal lands leased by oil and
gas companies, only about 13 million acres are actually producing oil and gas.

Somewhere, I'm sure there's profundity in the above statement, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find it. Reading it, one might assume that the federal land leased by those wascally oil a gas companies just aren't looking hard enough, right? In your fevered condition, do you really think that every acre of federally leased land is a treasure trove of oil and gas? Have you ever had a well log explained to you? Or do you think that a bore hole in punched in the ground, and every time, oil and gas gush forth?

_ Offshore, only 10.5 million of the 44 million leased acres are currently producing oil or gas.

See the above response as totally applicable.

_ Combined, oil and gas companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres of federal land that are not producing oil and gas.

Ditto.

_ The 68 million acres of leased, inactive federal land could produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas each day.

Yes, provided that about 10 caveats were met: Are the rigs available? Have all the enviromental reports been ok'ed? Are the suspected reserves adequate to warrant the risk? Can I find a trained crew? etc etc

_ That would nearly double total U.S. oil production, and increase natural gas production by 75%.

I don't deal well with incomplete sentences. Try again.

_ 4.8 million barrels of oil equals more than six times the estimated peak production from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

See response above. Your cutNpaste skills are obviously effected by your fevered condition.

_ Development of and production from the 68 million acres currently under lease but not in production would cut US imports of oil by onethird.

Just because land is under lease doesn't mean it's productive.

Finally, thanks for posting all those 'facts and figures.' You just helped me prove my point that (1) you know absolutely nothing about the oil and gas industry, and (2) the government is more of the problem than the solution. That second point is obvious.

[reconeil]

No one can ever doubt where your type and/or despicably deceitful & intransigent: "Bush Haters", "Tax it if it moves, or if already taxed TAX IT MORE" or Big Brother; "Democrat/Socialist/Leftist Wartime Underminers posing as Liberals", are daily coming from.

Being an obvious devout zealot hack for the: "Recapture The White House AT ANY COST TO AMERICA" crowd as are many others,...should also be quite carefully watched-out-for.

Still, and given your latest quite common character assassinations of any & all daring to oppose you & your typical Democrat Supremacist Ploys for control over ALL Americans (especially their monies), if there is anyone actually coming-off as an: "Asshole"(Democrat Liar & Deceiver also)...IT IS YOU, like & rubber-stamping entourage.

Hell, man. Even nationally-suicidal idiots, dupes or totally brainwashed Democrat Followers know full-well that President Bush's stating: "We have got the opportunity to find more crude oil here at home" is unarguably & un-equivocatingly THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. No ifs, ands or buts,...nor certainly any reason for some Veteran turned political hack calling him an: "Asshole" either.

The Only Question that We Americans should be asking of our political leaders, rulers or whatever (naturally without calling them:"Assholes" ala Gimpy) is: Will using the ADDITIONAL Vast Oil Reserves BENEFIT: "We The (Schnooks)", The U.S. Taxpayer and/or The Consumers of The Necessity, ALSO?

After all, Governments, Politicians & Oil Fat Cats always BENEFIT and fair quite well from The American People's very own Natural Resource. So then, why shouldn't: "We The People" BENEFIT just as well from such and/or just as well as the people of many OPEC Nations (plus others) do,...for-a-change?
Are "Their" leaders that much wiser, or just less greedy??

Neil

[Gimpy]

Originally Posted by SuperScout

Where did I say that the US wasn't exporting oil? I simply asked a question of to whom, but all I got from you was your ham-handed response.

Just for your reading pleasure, I'll respond to your last cutNpaste data:

On the Outer Continental Shelf, 82% of federal natural gas and 79% of federal oil is located in areas that are currently open for leasing.

So what does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Keep reading.

_ Onshore, 62% of oil and 84% of natural gas resources are either fully accessible under standard lease stipulations designed to protect lands and wildlife, or will be accessible pending the completion of land-use planning or environmental reviews.
Note this last little statement: pending completion...blah blah blah. Do you have any idea how long these 'pending ...reviews' can take? A project I worked on several years ago had 'pending ...review' that lasted 48 months. All during that time, lease payments had to be made and not one dime of earnings was realized. Keep reading.

_ Between 1999 and 2007, drilling permits for oil and gas development on public lands increased more than 361%.
And you point is? As the price of oil increased, the number of permits applied for will increase proportionally. No rocket science required here, but keep reading.

Since 2004, the Bureau of Land Management has issued 28,776 permits to drill on public land; in that same time, only 18,954 wells were actually drilled.
Again, by posting this, you demonstrate your repeated efforts to signify to the world how little you know about oil exploration. Just because a wildcatter has a permit doesn't mean he's going to run out and crank up that rig. Part of the problem is that the oil industry - the wildcatters that is - have had to do some serious recapitalization after the long dry period of inactivity domestically when oil was $20-30 a barrel. It takes a long time to put together the investors, place an order for the rig to be put together, have it constructed, yada yada, before any Texas Tea gets pumped out of the ground. Are you learning something yet?

Oil and gas companies have stockpiled nearly 10,000 extra permits to drill that they are not using to increase domestic production.

When you buy groceries, do you just buy for one day? Or even in your fevered condition, do you actually plan ahead? Gosh, what a concept!
You jut might be able to learn something yet!

Onshore, of the 47.5 million acres of federal lands leased by oil and
gas companies, only about 13 million acres are actually producing oil and gas.

Somewhere, I'm sure there's profundity in the above statement, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find it. Reading it, one might assume that the federal land leased by those wascally oil a gas companies just aren't looking hard enough, right? In your fevered condition, do you really think that every acre of federally leased land is a treasure trove of oil and gas? Have you ever had a well log explained to you? Or do you think that a bore hole in punched in the ground, and every time, oil and gas gush forth?

_ Offshore, only 10.5 million of the 44 million leased acres are currently producing oil or gas.

See the above response as totally applicable.

_ Combined, oil and gas companies hold leases to nearly 68 million acres of federal land that are not producing oil and gas.

Ditto.

_ The 68 million acres of leased, inactive federal land could produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil and 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas each day.

Yes, provided that about 10 caveats were met: Are the rigs available? Have all the enviromental reports been ok'ed? Are the suspected reserves adequate to warrant the risk? Can I find a trained crew? etc etc

_ That would nearly double total U.S. oil production, and increase natural gas production by 75%.

I don't deal well with incomplete sentences. Try again.

_ 4.8 million barrels of oil equals more than six times the estimated peak production from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

See response above. Your cutNpaste skills are obviously effected by your fevered condition.

_ Development of and production from the 68 million acres currently under lease but not in production would cut US imports of oil by onethird.

Just because land is under lease doesn't mean it's productive.

Finally, thanks for posting all those 'facts and figures.' You just helped me prove my point that (1) you know absolutely nothing about the oil and gas industry, and (2) the government is more of the problem than the solution. That second point is obvious.

The "report"......and info gathered by the Bureau of Land Management and the National Geological Scientists are WRONG...and Bush and YOU are right-----is that right???

Give me a phuckin break!

The Bush proponents of opening additional lands to oil and gas leasing assert
that vast quantities of oil and gas are closed to energy development. In fact,
according to the Federal Minerals Management Service, of all the oil and gas believed to exist on the Outer Continental Shelf, 82% of the natural gas and 79% of the oil is located in areas that are already currently open for leasing.


And, if these currently open lands are supposedly so difficult or improbable for drilling---why the f--k do you suppose the oil companies were so inclined to "lease" them in the first place?


The Department of the Interior recently released a report that the
Administration is using to delude Americans into believing that vast tracts of
federal land with large concentrations of oil and gas are off-limits to oil and
gas development.


In actuality, that very same report shows that only 38% of the oil and
16% of the natural gas are excluded from leasing largely because those
resources are underneath National Parks and wilderness areas that have significant scenic, recreational, and wildlife values. The rest is fully accessible under standard lease stipulations. THEY "LEASED" THEM------evidently "THEY" believed the "scientists" conclusions about these areas!


The inventories as described use the U.S. Geological Survey’s (USGS) resource estimates from its 2005 National Oil and Gas Assessment. The USGS used a peer-reviewed methodology with a decades-long track record of providing the government standard for oil and gas resource estimation. The methodology, including the statistical analysis, was reviewed by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists. And, was in fact deemed credible.


Even if increased domestic drilling activity could affect the price of
gasoline, there is yet no justification to open additional federal lands because
oil and gas companies have shown that they cannot keep pace with the rate of drilling permits that the federal government is handing out. Plain and simple.


In addition to this, a record 1.6 million barrels a day in U.S. refined petroleum products being exported during the first four months of this year, which is up 33 percent from 1.2 million barrels a day over the same period in 2007. You don't think this is outrageous?----Just asking.


Why in the hell should we allow these money grubbing thieves any more "leases" until they can PROVE to us they'd be willing to change the bad habits and continue to "explore" on already "leased" lands??


Gimp

[colmurph]

Exxon-Mobil posted a net profit of $40 Billion for the first quarter of 2008. Maybe if the oil companies were "Nationalized" we'd be getting cheaper oil, even the threat of Nationalizing the oil companies would probably drop the price of oil.

[reconeil]

Get Real and/or much less Party Programmed Obvious,...for-a-change.
You have become more boring than usual with the typical everything Republican/Conservative is BAD,...and everthing Democrat/Socialist/Leftist Undermining is WONDERFUL, tripe.

Besides, everyone by now knows that You Devout Democrat Ideologues robotically, concertedly & perpetually daily broadcasting that YOU ARE ONLY ONES wanting clean air, pristine water, solar & wind power and affordable fuels,...IS ABSOLUTE BULL.

Then too, all Dem Hacks (plus largely: "In Tank Media") concertedly & daily propagandizing that Quite Suspect of Backround, Experience & ALLEGIANCE (More so to Party, Wright, Farrakhan or whomever???) Oback Hussein Obama Jr. would make America's very best Wartime Commander-In-Chief,...is also QUITE ABSURDLY DECEITFUL. Such coming from any Veteran like Gimpy, is also downright nuts.
Veterans should know better (THAN MOST).

WHATEVER, and overall politics in America currently at its very despicable worst aside, people better soon start asking their political leaders, rulers or WHATEVER (of WHATEVER Bent), just two simple questions.

1. How come most all Quite Oil Capitalistic EXPORTING Nations like OPEC and some others don't daily punish their very own people & economies with The Greatly Manipulated World Oil Spot Price, such as determined for their very own National Natural Resource of Crude Oil?

2. Are those Large Oil EXPORTERS (much like America is) of The East differently that much wiser & more caring & protective of their people & economies, than most all Large Oil EXPORTERS of The West?
"They" most certainly seem so.

Hey,...just curious?

Neil

[MORTARDUDE]

BLAH.....BLAH....BLAH....The Congress and Federal Govt. have been talking this drivel since Jimmy Carter was President and the worthless Dept. of Energy was created. We are going to do nothing but keep importing at a rate that will bankrupt us. There have been 100 hearings in Congress this year on "energy" which have accomplished exactly zero.

Larry

[bluesclues]

To drill or not to drill is just smoke 'The real question is more refiners we could be up to our eyes in the stuff and it wont do us one bit of good more refiners is what we need but the tree huggers are stopping it, If nothing eles it would put people back to work I like birds /trees/and all that good stuff, but give me a brake



razz

[reconeil]

Re: "100 Hearings in Congress this year on 'energy' which have accomplished exactly zero".

What do you expect????????????????
Goddess Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi & Democrat Congressional Leftist Undermining Majority
now going on for almost 2 YEARS,...JUST WON'T HAVE IT or PERMIT IT being any other way.

Dems just keep on mercilessly Bashing Bush & Republicans,...and everything will be hunky-doory.
In your dreams, fir-shier, fir-shier,...and quite the opposite.

Neil