The Patriot Files Forums  

Go Back   The Patriot Files Forums > Conflict posts > Vietnam

Post New Thread  Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-06-2005, 08:53 AM
White Oak's Avatar
White Oak White Oak is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tallassee,Alabama-Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 163
Distinctions
VOM 
Default some stuff I saved from Nam

MPC,or Military Payment Certificate,or funny money.10 cents
__________________
\"We have done so much,with so little,for so long,we can do anything with nothing, forever\"
sendpm.gif Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 10-06-2005, 08:54 AM
White Oak's Avatar
White Oak White Oak is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tallassee,Alabama-Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 163
Distinctions
VOM 
Default MPC side 2

This is my life saving......
__________________
\"We have done so much,with so little,for so long,we can do anything with nothing, forever\"
sendpm.gif Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-06-2005, 09:02 AM
White Oak's Avatar
White Oak White Oak is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2002
Location: Tallassee,Alabama-Sweet Home Alabama
Posts: 163
Distinctions
VOM 
Default Get out of jail free pass

These were scattered all over the jungle,I brought two back and taped them together.I believe the guy that is pointing is telling his comrad not to try to give up to Delta Co 3/21st, they don't honor safe conduct passes or something like that.
Can anyone really tell me what written in Vietamese?
__________________
\"We have done so much,with so little,for so long,we can do anything with nothing, forever\"
sendpm.gif Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-06-2005, 11:37 AM
David's Avatar
David David is offline
Administrator
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 46,798
Distinctions
Special Projects VOM Staff Contributor 
Default

7 Flag Safe Conduct Pass



When two more nations joined the Allies in Vietnam, their flags were added to the safe conduct pass leaflet. The front has seven flags on yellow-orange background, with large text in Vietnamese at top, "Giay Thong-Hanh" ("Safe Passport"), and small text in English, Korean, and Thai at bottom, "Safe-conduct pass to be honored by all Vietnamese government agencies and allied forces." Back has photograph of pointing ARVN soldier standing next to a Viet Cong defector at right on white background; same safe-conduct message as appears on front, on yellow background, in English at top and in Vietnamese at bottom. Vietnamese text at left center is "Mang Tam Giay..." ("Carry this safe conduct pass to collaborate with the National government and you will be: Kindly welcomed / Assured of your security / Well treated."). The back design accompanying the photograph exists in three styles.



The second style used is shown above and bears the signature and photograph of Nguyen Van Thieu. The leaflet was developed in January 1968.

Nguyen Van Thieu was born on 5 April 1923, in the province of Ninh Thuan. As a young man, he briefly helped the Viet Minh fight the French colonial powers in his native province. He attended the National Military Academy in Hue and joined the French-backed Vietnamese army fighting the Viet Minh. By 1963 he was chief of staff of the Armed Forces of South Vietnam. During the confusion of the mid-1960s, when South Vietnam was wracked by coups, General Thieu became commander of the military region embracing the Mekong Delta. In June 1965, Thieu was appointed chairman of a 10-member military directorate. From there it was a short step to the presidency. He was elected in 1967, and presided over the country for eight years of the war. As the North Vietnamese armies moved south in greater numbers Thieu appealed to President Nixon for more financial aid. Nixon was sympathetic but the United States Congress was not and the move was blocked. Starved of funds, Thieu had difficulty paying the wages of his large army and desertion became a major problem With the fall of the government to the Communist armies he fled to Taiwan in April, 1975. He died in September 2001 in Boston.





"Chieu Hoi - The Winning Ticket"

The image of the flag safe conduct pass is so stirring that it was used repeatedly on U.S. official documents and publications. The seven-flag pass is featured on the cover of the Booklet "Chieu Hoi - The winning ticket" issued to servicemen in Vietnam in 1968. This booklet (MACV Command Information Pamphlet 6-68) explains to the reader the importance of greeting the defectors and treating them well. General Creighton W. Abrams is pictured and quoted:



The Chieu Hoi Program pays dividends to you, the fighting man. It provides intelligence and it saves lives. It is my desire that every servicemen in Vietnam assist this program whenever he can. Your support of this program will help materially in the defeat of the enemy on the battlefield.

The booklet adds:



What is the Chieu Hoi program? Chieu Hoi (open arms) is the national Viet Cong defector program. It pays off big dividends: It weakens the NVA/VC, it saves American and allied lives, and it can shorten the war.

The same picture and text was on a small card issued to servicemen to be folded and carried in their wallet. The back of the card was all text:



HOW CAN YOU HELP? Give voluntary defectors Chieu Hoi (Not PW) treatment. Segregate Chieu Hoi from PWs. Treat the returnee with respect. Give him a receipt for all weapons that he brings in. Deliver him safely to the unit intelligence officer for prompt debriefing and then promptly to the Government of Vietnam Chieu Hoi Service at the nearest District or Province headquarters.

Because these leaflet are colorful, common and popular among collectors, various reproductions exist. One is a postwar facsimile of the 7-flag (Thieu signature and photograph), printed all in pink. A more interesting one is the same leaflet printed on somewhat thicker paper with somewhat brighter colors. The registration is rather poor. They were given out in 1989 at the Ohio Vietnam Veterans reunion.


The flag safe conduct passes were so successful that reproductions of parts or all of the 5-flag and 7-flag safe conduct passes are found on other propaganda leaflets. These show entire fronts or backs or partial vignettes from the fronts or backs. The reproductions are usually reduced in size.

The "Trail" campaign was directed against the military and civilian personnel who use and maintain the Ho Chi Minh Trail. This series of roads and trails twisted for thousands of miles in and around Vietnam and was the main supply route for the VC and NVA. The Allies routinely dropped leaflets (all coded with a "T") over the trail in an attempt to destroy the morale of the enemy. Some of these leaflets show the front or back of various flag safe conduct leaflets.


More information: http://www.psywarrior.com/VNFlagSCP.html
sendpm.gif Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-07-2005, 06:45 AM
Robert J Ryan
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
Default Leaflets

Right, like I was going to walk with my arm around the shoulder of Nathenial Victor, or Sir Charles.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-07-2005, 08:05 AM
Bill Farnie's Avatar
Bill Farnie Bill Farnie is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,228
Send a message via AIM to Bill Farnie
Distinctions
VOM 
Default

We had a HOI CHANH come into us once. We were on a RIF in January 69' and he had hidden himself just off the trail we were walking hoping that someone would see him so he could surrender with the safe pass leaflet he had. Almost the whole company had passed him by before he realized that the stupid GI?s couldn?t see him so he jumped out on the trail with his hands in the air.

Our Kit Carson Scouts questioned him about what unit he was with and where they were and he said he didn?t know because they left the night before and that?s when he slipped away and stayed behind. It was only a platoon and when they saw that we were headed towards them, they took off. He said he watched us and saw that we had taken this trail so he setup off of it waiting to be discovered.

We didn?t believe him that he didn?t know where his unit was headed so we made him walk point. He complained to the scouts that it wasn?t fair that he had to walk point without a weapon, so we gave him an entrenching tool. An ARVN copter picked him up and I have no idea what became of him.
__________________
506th Infantry "Stands Alone"


It is well that war is so terrible, or we should get too fond of it. General Robert E. Lee
sendpm.gif Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-07-2005, 12:07 PM
MontanaKid MontanaKid is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 209
Default

"Chu Hoi" was synonymous with surrender in our AO, when we had someone trapped and he wanted to give up he would yell Chu Hoi and the Interpreter with us would tell him the equivalent of "Drop your weapon and come out with your hands up" and we would take them into custody. In the field we didn't differentiate much between chu hoi and POW, we only had custody of them a little while anyway. Usually within minutes of a capture, as long as we were close to a suitible LZ, the colonel's Charlie-Charlie bird would swoop down and pick him up. Our interpreter, while waiting for the helicopter, pumped him for the kind of information useful to us. That amounted to what unit he was with. Where were they now, etc.

The battalion S2 and interpreter would subject him to a much more extensive de-briefing at our firebase before he was flown elsewhere. I don't think it was until he got to Chu Lai that he might be treated different, taken to a Chu Hoi camp instead of POW, etc.
__________________
"No one has greater love than this; to lay down one's life for one's friends.". John 15:13
sendpm.gif Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-08-2005, 02:18 AM
BLUEHAWK's Avatar
BLUEHAWK BLUEHAWK is offline
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2002
Location: Ozarks
Posts: 4,638
Send a message via Yahoo to BLUEHAWK
Distinctions
Contributor 
Default

I like that entrenching tool story...
sendpm.gif Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Saved by the Cole darrels joy General Posts 1 07-08-2005 07:48 AM
Saved by the sticker - again DMZ-LT Vietnam 14 11-04-2003 04:04 PM
A flag and the Marine who saved it thedrifter Marines 0 07-04-2003 05:37 AM
A flag and the Marine who saved it thedrifter Marines 0 07-03-2003 04:30 AM
Babylon Saved thedrifter Marines 0 05-14-2003 07:41 AM

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.