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Old 06-30-2002, 03:50 PM
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Default American history is God based

but He is edited out of our text-books.

The following is an editorial from Saturdays Fayette County Georgia "Citizen Newspaper", a small town newspaper but sometimes it's the small town that has the time to "THINK REASONABLY."

Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply-committed Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention. It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society. Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of scripture for the people of this nation.

Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, "Give me liberty or give me death". But in current textbooks the context of these words is deleted. Here is what he said:

"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

These sentences have been erased from our textbooks. Was Patrick Henry a Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religious, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."

Consider these words that Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well-worn Bible: "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also."

Consider these words from George Washington, the Father of our Nation, in his farewell speech on September 19, 1796: "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

Was George Washington a Christian? Consider these words from his personal prayer book: "Oh, eternal and everlasting God, direct my thoughts, words and work. Wash away my sins in the emaculate blood of the lamb and purge my heart by thy Holy Spirit. Daily, frame me more and more in the likeness of thy son, Jesus Christ, that living in thy fear, and dying in thy favor, I may in thy appointed time obtain the resurrection of the justified unto eternal life. Bless, O Lord, the whole race of mankind and let the world be filled with the knowledge of thee and thy son, Jesus Christ."

Consider these words by John Adams, our second president, who also served as chairman of the American Bible Society. In an address to military leaders he said, "We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

How about our first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay? He stated that when we select our national leaders, if we are to preserve our Nation, we must select Christians. "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

John Quincy Adams, son of John Adams, was the sixth U.S. President. He was also the chairman of the American Bible Society, which he considered his highest and most important role. On July 4, 1821, President Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

Calvin Coolidge, our 30th President of the United States reaffirmed this truth when he wrote, "The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."

In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."

William Holmes McGuffey, author of the McGuffey Reader, was used for over 100 years in our public schools with over 125 million copies sold until it was stopped in 1963. President Lincoln called him the "Schoolmaster of the Nation."

Listen to these words of Mr. McGuffey: "The Christian religion is the religion of our country. From it are derived our notions on the character of God, on the great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded the peculiarities of our free institutions. From no source has the author drawn more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. From all these extracts from the Bible I make no apology."

Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were distinctly Christian, including the first, Harvard University, chartered in 1636. In the original Harvard Student Handbook, rule number 1 was that students seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could study the scriptures:

"Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdom, let every one seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seek it of him (Proverbs 2:3)."

For over 100 years, more than 50% of all Harvard graduates were pastors!

It is clear from history that the Bible and the Christian faith, were foundational to our educational and judicial system. However, in 1947, there was a radical change of direction for the Supreme Court. It required ignoring every precedent of Supreme Court ruling for the past 160 years. The Supreme Court ruled in a limited way to affirm a wall of separation between church and State in the public classroom.

In the coming years, this led to removing prayer from public schools in 1962. Here is the prayer that was banished:

"Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence on Thee. We beg Thy blessings upon us and our parents and our teachers and our country. Amen."

In 1963, the Supreme Court ruled that Bible reading was outlawed as unconstitutional in the public school system. The court offered this justification: "If portions of the New Testament were read without explanation, they could and have been psychologically harmful to children."

Bible reading was now unconstitutional, though the Bible was quoted 94 percent of the time by those who wrote our Constitution and shaped our Nation and its system of education and justice and government.

In 1965, the Courts denied as unconstitutional the right of a student in the public school cafeteria to bow his head and pray audibly for his food. In 1980, Stone vs. Graham outlawed the Ten Commandments in our public schools. The Supreme Court said this:

"If the posted copies of the Ten Commandments were to have any effect at all, it would be to induce schoolchildren to read them. And if they read them, mediated upon them, and perhaps venerated and obeyed them, this is not a permissible objective."

Is it not a permissible objective to allow our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments? James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said this: "We have staked the whole future of our new nation, not upon the power of government; far from it. We have staked the future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

Today, we are asking God to bless America. But, how can He bless a Nation that has departed so far from Him? Prior to September 11, He was not welcome in America. Most of what you read in this article has been erased from our textbooks. Revisionists have rewritten history to remove the truth about our country's Christian roots. You are encouraged to make copies, and share with others, so that the truth of our nation's history will be told.
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Old 06-30-2002, 05:28 PM
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Thanks John. I read every word.

Sam Adams:

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A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader. . . . If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security.

Samuel Adams was born in Boston, Massachusetts on September 27, 1722. He was a leader of the fight against British colonial rule, and a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Adams was a cousin of John Adams who became President of the United


One thing that can't be denied these men, although human like the rest of us, were men of Faith and Courage.
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Default Madame Sparrow et.al.

Thanks for your addition to the marvelous post just started. I too believe that our Nation has been uniquely blessed, and it is not be accident, or random dust patterns of cosmic particles. At one time in my existence, my god was single-malt scotch whiskey, but by the Grace of God and a workable program, I've changed my allegiance to My Lord and Master. As Keith as stated elsewhere, we are creatures of free will, and as for me and my household, we choose God.
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Default The Evolution of Legal Opinion

From the common consent that we are a "Christian Nation" to
"Separation of Church and State" to "No God in Government." Are we doomed to fail as a nation when the moral fiber of the ten commandments no longer exists?

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In my opinion, one of the greatest American minds was Thomas Jefferson. At a time he decided to reduce the Bible to its core essence. He did so in 40 hand-written pages and I believe this document is exhibited, perhaps at Monticello. It would be interesting to know what he extracted and wrote down and that is on my list of things to read someday.

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If my understanding of Jefferson is correct, he was one of the "Enlightened Thinkers", a term given to some folks of his age who felt men (at least white ones were equal, none of this Royality stuff). The Enlightenment also believed that Jesus was not the son of God. It seems Jefferson felt Jesus was the greatest man who ever lived but no more than that. Jefferson was influenced in large part by John Locke of England.
Sorry if that put a fly in anyone's buttermilk.

Matter of fact, Jefferson was one of only 3 or 4 men who signed the Declaration who wasn't a Mason. He didn't join because it was very God orientated, more so than today. I love Jefferson but he is a ball of contradictions. It seems you can quote him to make almost any point.

Sorry if this offends anyone. I swear I'm not trying to put down old T.J. he was a great man, warts and all.

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Andy we are all walking contradictions believers or not. Depending at what time of day you meet us and esp if you happen upon us in bumper to bumper traffic. I would like to someday lay down the dates and what period of his life he said what. Perhaps that would explain some of the contradictions.
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Great point. If I remember it right Jefferson's parents died when he was young. He had a very close friend when he was in his teens you died as a young man. He and his wife had about 10 kids, all but one daughter died before him. His wife, of course died at a young age. She made him promise he would not re-marry which no doubt caused a few problems.
He had both ups and downs in his political career and died deep in debt. Plus he wrote almost constantly. He liked wine and grew tobacco as well as marijuana. Yes, there were a lot of things that could account for changing moods and opinions.

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Hey folks,

1) I don't agree with the court's decision and I see nothing wrong with the phrase "under God." However, we went from 1896? to 1954 without that phrase when it was added. Did the pledge mean any less before 1954?

2)God is not mentioned in the preamble to our constitution. God, is however, mentioned in the preamble to the Constitution of the Confederate States of America. Kinda interesting?

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Post There Is A Christian Moral and Ethic System

The moral and ethic system by which our nation was founded is under attack. Basicall what is being said, "If you have any religious beliefs you are unworthy to govern." Those who propose tearing down the ten commandments upon which much of our judical laws are based and trying to totally push any mention of God out of Government are really attacking the moral fiber upon which this society is based.

Now the levels of Christianity and Judaism is many. There are conservative, legalistic, liberal, moderate, etc but they all believe that there is a God. When you take God out of the picture you under mine the moral fiber of our nation.

That is why this attack disturbs me. When God and the ten commandments go. Everything else goes.

Jefferson even though an agnostic was smart enough to adhere to the moral and ethic system prescribed in the Bible. That's because he was a smart man.

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