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Old 02-15-2005, 01:34 PM
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Default What is the propellant in PAM?

http://www.pam4you.com/pages/index_flash.jsp

I called right after I received the e-mail yesterday from another forum. I was put on hold twice and all the 'vital statistics' taken: What company did I have? Name, address, phone, fax (Companies do not have to give their MSDS info to individuals)

Today I received the fax. They also did tell me yesterday that the propellant was nitrous oxide or 'laughing gas' like dentists use and that it does vaporize quickly.

The faxed Material Safety Data Sheet says that (CAS # 10024-97-2) at 5% of product

BUT it also says ethanol at 14% (CAS #64-17-5)
Ah-ha

That would be a propellant of conern in my opinion, although it is not one I have studied directly.

http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/aerosol.htm#aerosol

I was searching with a search engine & asking this question & lots of things about what the propellants were in rockets came up (?)

It is almost in pure form in this product
Rain-X Anti-Fog Towelette Auto products sheets 95-99%
& this is what is said about it

Put in CAS numbers here to find products & info on component:
http://hpd.nlm.nih.gov/ingredients.htm
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Old 02-15-2005, 04:27 PM
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Maggie it must be a long cold winter up in Alaska if all you have time for is reading the safty msds for products. my advice is get a life.
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Old 02-15-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Waiting for someone of Influence

to pay attention to this issue.

In the meantime, I do believe I've found the fatigue doctors are looking for in CFS or CFIDS and the most probable cause of 'gulf war syndrome' too (& why they've been missing its tell tale signs ... the FATIGUE is the common denominator!)

Don't suspect Dioxin for the Vietnam era Vets' health ailments, either, when you take a closer look

Maybe Hillary will take note, if she's harmed by it or John Ashcroft or Wm Rehnquist or VP Dick Cheney?

Then there are the troops of TODAY

Well not even.

I suspect when people see their pets falling victim to this chemical that then and only then will the 'buck stop here!"

but the biggie ... is that this is primarily an autoimmune problem. Your body is destroying YOU. Hope for help is not suppression of the immune system, but helping cell to cell communication

My friend said to me once, "It is no wonder this picture is falling into place for you; you spend so much time at it. It is the law of use. What you spend a lot of time doing, you get good at."

Just doing a public service. My husband will sure be glad when my time has been served.

And, you have a thousand more posts than I, so I suppose you have a passion for something bigger than yourself, too?
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In the meantime, I do believe I've found the fatigue doctors are looking for in CFS or CFIDS and the most probable cause of 'gulf war syndrome' too (& why they've been missing its tell tale signs ... the FATIGUE is the common denominator!)
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Don't suspect Dioxin for the Vietnam era Vets' health ailments either
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If there is shell shock or PTSD
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(post traumatic stress disorder) it is minimal & would have been short-lived



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I am just an ordinary person in a remote area of Alaska whose relative got sick and I am asking the question why? I have done no scientific research of my own, but have looked at studies done by others.


Maggie youcertainly have the right to your opinion but I'm afraidI will have to disagree with your over confident conjecture on the above subjects.At the same time I want to thank you for your disclaimer. The evidence of which is found inall the above conjectures concerning GWS,AO(Dioxin) relateddisease,and PTSD.

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Old 02-16-2005, 07:22 AM
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... you would have to spend some time looking through what I'm sharing for it to make sense; the good thing is - this is a provable theory

However, the fatigue changes over time:

Retic rate very high with an acute exposure -
Then goes to normal range
Then below normal BUT still the CBC looks normal the whole time

Red Blood cells are immature, however, and for a long time there should be at least trace blood in urine.

You will notice that doctors notice the immune system at work, & think there is a virus - BUT no - you are attacking YOU

Thanks for your taking a look at this!

Do you feel like this?
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Maggie,


Yes, Chris and his wife Joan are part of something so much greater than themselves.


Chris

Joan
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Old 02-16-2005, 11:34 AM
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... just sharing with him that the same is true for me

(Is Chris sn-e3?)
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Yes Maggie.....one and the same...
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Thanks too both of you for posting lets end our little war no hard feelings we all know who we are and what we stand for...chris
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