A Politician's Slap in the Face to Dead Vets

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED NOV 26, 2003 10:49:38 ET XXXXX
SERVICEMEN ANGERED OVER DEAN BROTHER 'MILITARY HONORS'
**Exclusive**
Active duty soldiers, Sailors, airmen and Marines are upset over being
forced to take part in a military repatriation ceremony today for
remains believed to be those of the non-military brother of
presidential candidate Howard Dean, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
"His brother will receive full military honors ... flag over the
coffin and all!" fumes one soldier, who asked not to be named.
Governor Dean is set to visit to the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command
and the repatriation of his brother to Hickam AFB, Hawaii. The
brother's remains were recovered in Laos by a JPAC recovery team this
past month. JPAC's mission is to search, recover and identify remains
of US service members who were killed in previous wars.
During the Vietnam War, Dean's brother and an Australian friend
trekked into Laos as civilians - and were captured by the Vietcong and
killed.
JPAC was pressured to not only recover his brother's remains, but to
bump Dean's recovery over numerous other MIA's who actually died
fighting for their country, a well-placed military source tells the
DRUDGE REPORT.
Additionally, JPAC is being pressured to push up Dean's brother's
identification ahead of approximately a hundred other service members
remains.
Says one source: "These service members were recovered from all US
wars, whose families are waiting to finally get word that their loved
one, who gave his life for his country has been identified and is
finally coming home. It usually take 2 years plus for an
identification. This 'rush job' will be done in 4-6 months. That's not
all - we are repatriating his Australian friend with military honors,
and pushing his identification ahead our service members also. We feel
it is not only a slap in the face to the servicemembers who gave their
lives for our great country, but also the men and women who are
currently in harm's way."
In the past, JPAC has recovered remains of civilians [specifically
contract civilians working for the military], but never with military
honors!
In fact, one time, JPAC team members conducting the recovery had to
actually pay the postage to FEDEX the remains back to the family
because the government would not pay for it.
Developing...

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1100 -0600, "Duke of URL"
wrote:

>XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED NOV 26, 2003 10:49:38 ET XXXXX
>SERVICEMEN ANGERED OVER DEAN BROTHER 'MILITARY HONORS'

Which servicemen?


>**Exclusive**
>Active duty soldiers, Sailors, airmen and Marines are upset over being
>forced to take part in a military repatriation ceremony today for
>remains believed to be those of the non-military brother of
>presidential candidate Howard Dean, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.


"Forced" by whom?


>JPAC was pressured to not only recover his brother's remains, but to
>bump Dean's recovery over numerous other MIA's who actually died
>fighting for their country, a well-placed military source tells the
>DRUDGE REPORT.


Pressured by whom?

>Additionally, JPAC is being pressured to push up Dean's brother's
>identification ahead of approximately a hundred other service members
>remains.

Pressured by whom?


>Says one source: "These service members were recovered from all US

Unnamed sources suck. Drudge sucks for using them.

>Which servicemen?
>

Lee,

Should be something on the news shortly.

"On his website, the former Vermont governor said he would likely travel to
Hawaii for a repatriation ceremony on 26 November. "


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3285273.stm

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1319 -0500, Lee wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1100 -0600, "Duke of URL"
> wrote:
>
>>XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED NOV 26, 2003 10:49:38 ET XXXXX
>>SERVICEMEN ANGERED OVER DEAN BROTHER 'MILITARY HONORS'
>
>Which servicemen?
The ones that are complaining to the press...
>
>
>>**Exclusive**
>>Active duty soldiers, Sailors, airmen and Marines are upset over being
>>forced to take part in a military repatriation ceremony today for
>>remains believed to be those of the non-military brother of
>>presidential candidate Howard Dean, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
>
>
>"Forced" by whom?
If you don't know who (or how) service members are "forced" to do
things, you're in the wrong NG ---- or you were Air Force. It's
called a "direct order".
Regards,

>
>
>>JPAC was pressured to not only recover his brother's remains, but to
>>bump Dean's recovery over numerous other MIA's who actually died
>>fighting for their country, a well-placed military source tells the
>>DRUDGE REPORT.
>
>
>Pressured by whom?
>
>>Additionally, JPAC is being pressured to push up Dean's brother's
>>identification ahead of approximately a hundred other service members
>>remains.
>
>Pressured by whom?
>
>
>>Says one source: "These service members were recovered from all US
>
>Unnamed sources suck. Drudge sucks for using them.
>
>

"Charlie Wolf" wrote in message
news:m31asvo0ripvi2cr30tmdoi755usprbrcd@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1319 -0500, Lee wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1100 -0600, "Duke of URL"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED NOV 26, 2003 10:49:38 ET XXXXX
> >>SERVICEMEN ANGERED OVER DEAN BROTHER 'MILITARY HONORS'
> >
> >Which servicemen?
> The ones that are complaining to the press...
> >
> >
> >>**Exclusive**
> >>Active duty soldiers, Sailors, airmen and Marines are upset over being
> >>forced to take part in a military repatriation ceremony today for
> >>remains believed to be those of the non-military brother of
> >>presidential candidate Howard Dean, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
> >
> >
> >"Forced" by whom?
> If you don't know who (or how) service members are "forced" to do
> things, you're in the wrong NG ---- or you were Air Force. It's
> called a "direct order".
> Regards,
>


Uhhuh, and then one should learn the difference between a "direct order",
and an "unlawful order" before one complains too loudly. These differences
were taught to me, oh, say about 47 years ago, and I had occasion to apply
those differences in a decidedly positive way (from my perspective) in 1977.
When it came time to fish or cut bait, the field grade that gave me that
"direct order" that just happened to be "unlawful" found out that it don't
pay to do those sort of things.

"John Hart" wrote in message
news:U78xb.15878$n56.5278@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net
> "Charlie Wolf" wrote in message
> news:m31asvo0ripvi2cr30tmdoi755usprbrcd@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1319 -0500, Lee
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1100 -0600, "Duke of URL"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED NOV 26, 2003 10:49:38 ET XXXXX
>>>> SERVICEMEN ANGERED OVER DEAN BROTHER 'MILITARY HONORS'
>>>
>>> Which servicemen?

>> The ones that are complaining to the press...
>>>
>>>> **Exclusive**
>>>> Active duty soldiers, Sailors, airmen and Marines are upset over
>>>> being forced to take part in a military repatriation ceremony
>>>> today for remains believed to be those of the non-military
>>>> brother of presidential candidate Howard Dean, the DRUDGE REPORT
>>>> has learned.
>>>
>>> "Forced" by whom?

>> If you don't know who (or how) service members are "forced" to do
>> things, you're in the wrong NG ---- or you were Air Force. It's
>> called a "direct order".
>
> Uhhuh, and then one should learn the difference between a "direct
> order", and an "unlawful order" before one complains too loudly.
> These differences were taught to me, oh, say about 47 years ago,
> and I had occasion to apply those differences in a decidedly
> positive way (from my perspective) in 1977. When it came time to
> fish or cut bait, the field grade that gave me that "direct order"
> that just happened to be "unlawful" found out that it don't pay to
> do those sort of things.

Interesting, but totally irrelevant. No one is claiming these men have
received unlawful orders.

"Duke of URL" wrote in message
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> "John Hart" wrote in message
> news:U78xb.15878$n56.5278@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net
> > "Charlie Wolf" wrote in message
> > news:m31asvo0ripvi2cr30tmdoi755usprbrcd@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1319 -0500, Lee
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1100 -0600, "Duke of URL"
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED NOV 26, 2003 10:49:38 ET XXXXX
> >>>> SERVICEMEN ANGERED OVER DEAN BROTHER 'MILITARY HONORS'
> >>>
> >>> Which servicemen?
>
> >> The ones that are complaining to the press...
> >>>
> >>>> **Exclusive**
> >>>> Active duty soldiers, Sailors, airmen and Marines are upset over
> >>>> being forced to take part in a military repatriation ceremony
> >>>> today for remains believed to be those of the non-military
> >>>> brother of presidential candidate Howard Dean, the DRUDGE REPORT
> >>>> has learned.
> >>>
> >>> "Forced" by whom?
>
> >> If you don't know who (or how) service members are "forced" to do
> >> things, you're in the wrong NG ---- or you were Air Force. It's
> >> called a "direct order".
> >
> > Uhhuh, and then one should learn the difference between a "direct
> > order", and an "unlawful order" before one complains too loudly.
> > These differences were taught to me, oh, say about 47 years ago,
> > and I had occasion to apply those differences in a decidedly
> > positive way (from my perspective) in 1977. When it came time to
> > fish or cut bait, the field grade that gave me that "direct order"
> > that just happened to be "unlawful" found out that it don't pay to
> > do those sort of things.
>
> Interesting, but totally irrelevant. No one is claiming these men have
> received unlawful orders.
>
>

An unlawful order is the ONLY way anybody would attempt to "pressure" me in
to doing anything that did not comply with regulations during my 26 years in
the military!

The old BS about "the commander desires" don't cut it and never did. I've
had that crap tried more than a few times.

Charlie Wolf wrote in message news:...
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1319 -0500, Lee wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 1100 -0600, "Duke of URL"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED NOV 26, 2003 10:49:38 ET XXXXX
> >>SERVICEMEN ANGERED OVER DEAN BROTHER 'MILITARY HONORS'
> >
> >Which servicemen?
> The ones that are complaining to the press...
> >
> >
> >>**Exclusive**
> >>Active duty soldiers, Sailors, airmen and Marines are upset over being
> >>forced to take part in a military repatriation ceremony today for
> >>remains believed to be those of the non-military brother of
> >>presidential candidate Howard Dean, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
> >
> >
> >"Forced" by whom?
> If you don't know who (or how) service members are "forced" to do
> things, you're in the wrong NG ---- or you were Air Force. It's
> called a "direct order".
> Regards,

The extreme left hates Dean, the extreme right hates Dean. Wonder
where he's drawing all these supporters from?

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:53:39 -0600, Charlie Wolf
wrote:


>>"Forced" by whom?
>If you don't know who (or how) service members are "forced" to do
>things, you're in the wrong NG ---- or you were Air Force. It's
>called a "direct order".


Again, a direct order from WHOM?

That story has holes the size of VW's in it. It may be correct, but
the reporting sucks because there is no attribution, just a lot of
vague claims by "nobodys" about pressure from "nobodys."

WHO exactly is ordering honors for Gov. Dean's brother? Bush?
Remember Noel in the addy

"Lee" wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:53:39 -0600, Charlie Wolf
> wrote:
>
>
> >>"Forced" by whom?
> >If you don't know who (or how) service members are "forced" to do
> >things, you're in the wrong NG ---- or you were Air Force. It's
> >called a "direct order".
>
>
> Again, a direct order from WHOM?

From fairly high up since he was taken off the plane in Hawaii which would
mean whoever is in charge there would have had to authorized it since press
and cameras were involved. You never always know exactly who gives the
direct order, you just obey it.

>
> That story has holes the size of VW's in it. It may be correct, but
> the reporting sucks because there is no attribution, just a lot of
> vague claims by "nobodys" about pressure from "nobodys."
>
> WHO exactly is ordering honors for Gov. Dean's brother? Bush?
> Remember Noel in the addy