Libby's Indictments

[SuperScout]

First of all, listening to the pre-annoucement run-up by the media was the intellectual equivalent of watching buzzards circle, waiting for the dying to gasp their last breath. Then the announcement, which droned on and on, with a very curious absence of wording, unlike any other district attorney's posturing statements. In either reading the very tedious statement, or responding to reporters' questions, not once did Fitzpatrick ever used the "alleged" word, implying an automatic element of guilt, sans trial.

Another notable absence was that for all the hoopla, ballyhoo, and hand-rubbing, there was not one charge related to the "alleged" (there's that word you might want to incorporate into your lexicon, Fitz baby) outing of a CIA agent. At the time of the alleged outing, Valerie was not more a covert agent than I was than I was a goat castrator in New Hampshire.

Very little has been reported of the people within the CIA who had been supplying the White House with daily intel briefings which included continuing mentions of WMD's, and once their information was found to be inaccurate, or their incompetence was noted, set in motion a plan to discredit the White House, rather than fall on their own sword. So Valerie lobbies to have good ol' Joe wander off to Africer, Joe spends as much time as he could in the hotel bar, the bogus report comes back, and lo and behold, we fast forward to today.

[Gimpy]

see you got your "memo" of "talking points" from the unscrupulous bunch of misfits at the RNC, HUH?

Why does your ridiculous assesment not surprise me!

More later...............................

PS-------FITZGERALD : "I'll be blunt.

That talking point won't fly . If you're doing a national security investigation, if you're trying to find out who compromised the identity of a CIA officer and you go before a grand jury and if the charges are proven -- because remember there's a presumption of innocence -- but if it is proven that the chief of staff to the vice president went before a federal grand jury and lied under oath repeatedly and fabricated a story about how he learned this information, how he passed it on, and we prove obstruction of justice, perjury and false statements to the FBI, that is a very, very serious matter."

[SuperScout]

Contrary to your methodology, I do my own thinking, and would not know how to begin using the so-called talking points of the RNC. If my assessment is so ridiculous, why wasn't one of the charges related to national security? All your previous whining about how dear little Ms Plame had been "outed" were not even in the indictment at all, so where's the 'national security' issue anyhow?

And you're falling into the same "hang-the-demons" mentality of Fitzpatrick, when you assert that it was " ...proven that the chief of staff to the vice president went before a federal grand jury and lied under oath repeatedly..." You contradicted yourself, again, or you're totally unaware of how the judicial system works, or both. Libby hasn't been covicted of anything, and nothing has been proven.

[Gimpy]

Again.............Let me be perfectly clear.

Your 'ANALysis' of this issue is no more than a big ole pile of Long Horn Manure (or BS).........

Let's take a close look at some things that are actual facts of the case, ok?

(1)--FITZGERALD said this:


"This is the way this investigation was conducted. It was known that a CIA officer's identity was blown, it was known that there was a leak. We needed to figure out how that happened, who did it, why, whether a crime was committed, whether we could prove it, whether we should prove it.

"Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not known outside the intelligence community."

"Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life."

"The fact that she was a CIA officer was not known to the public, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security."


(2) It was the top management within the CIA that called for the Justice Department investigation into 'who' comprimised or 'outed' one of their 'classified' operatives (Ms. Plame).

Do you actually think THEY would NOT have called for this investigation IF there wasn't some truth and validity to their concerns in the first place??

(3) She (Ms. Plame) was involved with 'teams' of agents and 'covert' operatives investigating the proliferation and expansion of WMDs' world wide ESPECIALLY within the context of 'terrorists' connections.

After her 'outing', the overall effectiveness and ability to complete their mission was comprimised and many individuals within these 'units' had their covers blown and susbsequently their very lives put in danger. Not to even mention the 'loss' of intelligence gathering capabilites and danger to our National security!

....................More later!

[SuperScout]

All the blather by you and Fitz has failed, once again, to address the major issue: if there was a violation of the "outing" law, why wasn't a corresponding indictment? You are the one who raised the slanderous charge of treason committed by those involved, yet none of the charges even remotely talks of such matters. You sit there with your panties in a terminal knot, flecks of spittle besmirching your lips, your blood pressure about to pop the mercury tube, and you still can't get it right, or even correct.

[Gimpy]

Fraid not there SuperFella.

You are SO blinded by your 'hate' and prejudice of ANY thing that resembles someone who may have varying viewpoints from your own, that you can't see the TRUTH if it jumped up and bit you on your Cowboy Butt!

If you (and anyone ELSE including those 'talking heads' at the RNC, FOX, and talk radio) can't SEE that this incident on the part of high ranking members of this administration was (and STILL IS) not only a national disgrace, but as well a 'criminal' act against one of this nations branches of Government designed and operated to protect US against the very threats and dangers YOUR BOY GEE-W sent us to war for, then you (and them) should HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME!

You have the audacity and outright hypocrisy to call Bill Clinton guilty of 'high crimes & treason" and THEN slop the "PLAME INCIDENT" off as merely hard-ball 'politics'? You folks definately need to find another 'talking point'.............cause the American people are sick and damn tired of THIS one my friend. By the latest figures of about 79% to 20 something %!

Don't worry though, come NEXT November that'll change!

[SuperScout]

And just what is it that I hate, as you contend? Unlike you and James, who have admitted it on this forum, I don't hate certain people. I hate certain things, like bigotry, racism, stupidity, and ingrown toenails. So since you can't back up your charge of "hate", I suppose you might want to consider an apology. That is, if you're man enough.

I never accused Clinton of high crimes and treason, so you lie again. He was found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice, both felonies, the only sitting president to ever incur such ignominy.

[Andy]

I have had occasion to be undercover. Lets say your in a biker bar with 40 or so other folks and someone loudly says, "Hey that guy's a cop". VERY uncomfortable feeling.

If old Scotter leaked the name of a agent and the government does nothing, moral in the CIA would take such a nose-dive as to create a national security risk. He does need to be expunged from the government. I don't care if he just gets probation, but punishment is necessary.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[Gimpy]

Originally posted by Andy
If old Scotter leaked the name of a agent and the government does nothing, moral in the CIA would take such a nose-dive as to create a national security risk. He does need to be expunged from the government. I don't care if he just gets probation, but punishment is necessary.

Stay healthy,
Andy

What Andy said!

Cept I think he oughta serve some 'hard time' for this crap!

[BLUEHAWK]

Ahem...

a. It was a journalist, Robert Novak, who actually did the "outing" of a "CIA operative."

b. This very afternoon (1 NOV 05), Senate Democrats, without warning, saw fit to shut down the Senate for the purpose of having a closed session under Rule 21, so that they could once again attempt to assuage their guilt for having voted to authorize warfare by blaming everyone else.

So, for the foreseeable future, let us not hear anything more about what Congress is not doing about Veterans benefits, natural disaster relief, Bird Flu, balancing the budget, tax reform etc.