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Old 05-27-2003, 07:11 AM
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Where have all the protesters gone?
JEFF DONN
Associated Press

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - The war is over in Iraq, but Reyko Shiraishi's heart is not at peace.

Outwardly, things are much the same in her life as before the war. No more anti-war vigils, forums, or protests. She has returned to her gardening and quiet routines of retirement.

But sadness again darkens the eyes of Shiraishi, 73, of Brookline, who spent 3 1/2 years in American internment camps for Japanese Americans during World War II. Like many who objected to this latest war, she carries away a sense of failure - protests didn't prevent the fighting - and dejection over hardships in post-war Iraq.

"I feel so discouraged by what our country has done," said Shiraishi, a former schoolteacher. "We `won the war,' but I personally feel defeated."

Earlier this year, hundreds of thousands of Iraq war opponents like Shiraishi hoisted signs, waved banners, marched, and blocked streets and federal offices in dozens of American cities coast to coast. It was the widest outpouring of domestic protest since the Vietnam war.

Since early April, when American forces took control of Baghdad, the booming voice of protest has subsided to a murmur.

What has become of the peace movement? Did protesters come to see the war as more justified when they learned more of Saddam Hussein's oppression? Did the relatively easy victory relieve their fears of military and civilian casualties?

The short answer is that minds were not changed, according to an Associated Press sampling of war opponents' postwar views.

The AP spoke with 20 people from Maine to California who had opposed the war, from protest leaders to objectors who never went to a single demonstration. Included was a panel discussion at the regional headquarters of the American Friends Service Committee, an arm of the pacifist Quaker church, in Cambridge. The interviews did not represent a scientific survey sample.

In their comments, the interviewees struck some common themes. Many profess to feel personally changed by the war, which they view as a history-making act of aggression, a brutish projection of American military and corporate might, and an embarrassing flouting of international opinion.

Many acknowledge feeling powerlessness and weariness after standing up against a military campaign that rolled over both Iraqi defenses and the anti-war movement. However, many are already rechanneling their energy into other social causes or party politics, often with a mind to unseating President Bush in next year's election.

"Has my passion diminished? It's not focused in the same direction. I would say it's focused on the next election and regime change at home," said Donna Francescani, 35, a lawyer in Bethesda, Md.

She has begun attending campaign events for Sen. John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat. He hasn't taken the strongest anti-war stand of all presidential candidates, but his big asset, in her mind, is simply that she thinks he can beat Bush.

Some of the calm on the anti-war front is perhaps natural. The immediate crisis seems to have passed. Many peace activists had been driving themselves hard since the September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. They simply needed a break.

Gordon Clark was sometimes putting in 50-hour weeks, or more, as national coordinator of the Iraq Pledge of Resistance. Last week, he was vacationing in California with his wife. "One of the things that I've tried to do as much as possible during vacation is ignore current events," he said.

Many who opposed the war have paused to take stock of themselves and consider new directions for their activism. Joseph Gerson, programs director at American Friends Service Committee in Cambridge, said he feels "a profound and internalized sadness" over what has happened.

Annie Bartos, 25, a coordinator for the Boston-area United for Justice with Peace, was left with a deeper cynicism about government. "They're not listening, and it's getting harder to stay optimistic," she said.

Yet the explosive growth of the peace movement earlier this year is a consolation to the war's opponents. Anna Hendricks, a 21-year-old Cambridge dance teacher, said the war gave her the chance to connect with activists from the Vietnam and other eras.

Peace Action, a large national group, has launched a Campaign for a New Foreign Policy, refocusing on international human rights, arms control, and cooperation. It has also joined in placing get-out-the-vote ads in advance of the presidential election.

"It may be quieter out there, but the groups aren't fading away. They're looking toward the future," said Scott Lynch, a spokesman for Peace Action.

In Montpelier, Vt., Andrea Stander, 50, who works for an arts group, has contacted the presidential campaign of former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, a Democrat. She is attracted by his opposition to the war. "I certainly have a greater sense of urgency. I feel that we are facing an unprecedented crisis, at least in my lifetime," she said.

Louis Schwartz, 38, who teaches film studies at the University of Iowa, wants to develop video projects that could be used by activist groups, perhaps on what he sees as threats to civil rights. "It's reminded me of how important it is to me to be political active, something frankly that ... I had forgotten," he said.

Many war opponents have kept abreast of Iraq's occupation, too, and say the United States should turn over control to the United Nations or an international coalition. Many find vindication for their anti-war stance in what they see as a country unhinged, transformed into the Wild West of the Middle East, racked by misery and disease.

"They haven't done anything to relieve suffering. All they've done is create more," said painter Linda Hanson, 61, of Alameda, Calif. "I've never been ashamed to be an American before. I feel a lot of that now."

Frances H. Jarvis, a staffer at American Friends Service Committee, finds other justification for her anti-war stand in the occupation: "The lack of proof that weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq confirms my belief that the war was built on lies."

However, the opposition of Wayne Carrington, a publisher's representative in Oneonta, N.Y., would soften if such weapons turned up in considerable numbers. "I almost demand that they find them: This is how the war was sold to Americans," he said.

Some war objectors have felt alarm at recent reports of mass graves of Saddam Hussein's enemies and outright satisfaction in his fall, despite their anti-war stance.

"You cannot be unhappy that Saddam Hussein is out of power, and the bodies that are being found just show what a terrible person he was," said Adam Miles, a consultant to the American Friends Service Committee.

But many say the war was too high a price and the wrong way to set things right. Alex Liazos, a sociology professor at Regis College in Weston, Mass., said, "Saddam may be out, but what's happening is even worse,"

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EDITOR'S NOTE - Jeff Donn is the AP's Boston-based Northeast regional writer.

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Old 05-27-2003, 10:12 AM
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protestors, and Hollywood scum over to Iraq for a week..in USAF aircraft... and let them stay with our troops and get out and talk to the Iraqis and see things for themselves...I think their attitude would change..but maybe not...some of them are just very stubborn....I read somewhere that if they gave all the confiscated cash to the people each Iraqi man, woman, and child would get $ 2,600 US......

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Old 05-27-2003, 02:25 PM
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I agree. Political bigotry has so blinded most of them on this issue that they won't believe ANYTHING that puts the current administration in the right unless they can touch and feel it for themselves (and usually not even then :.)

So ship 'em over there for a spell...

...but the Hollywood scum can pay for themselves .
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Old 05-28-2003, 09:15 PM
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No WMD's yet (I hate that abrev. as much as I hate the adj. "robust") but somebody was trying to spirit out $1,000,000,000 in gold from a starving country and mass graves seem to be the favorite form of fertilization by the former regime.
One less Hitler seems like a good thing to me,
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Old 05-29-2003, 04:17 AM
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I for one have never said that the wild man of bagdad wasn't a bad person,all I've every said was that I didn't agree with this war nothing has changed about that.
As has been pointed out we have found no wmd's,or anything that could have hit this great country. BUT the OIL fields are in our hands! not saying that this war was about oil,,, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it must be a duck, and with this Administration DUCK is a good word to remember because everyone is shooting at us. but now that we are in Iraq just have our troops stand-up and right face and march into Iran is that next on the hit list.
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PS. at least six or seven troops this week alone have gave their all for what ever, just hope it will be for a good reason and OIL IS NOT>
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Old 05-29-2003, 08:34 AM
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The Iraq war was is an easy one to protest against. The justifications were thin going in, the risks remain long and the end results remain uncertain. On the surface, oil seems to be the singular motivation and murky and sinister big money would seem to be behind it all.
The WMD issue seems to be the latent stake that may be driven through the heart of the current Administration, who knows. But on the other hand, it?s a piece of cake to turn those arguments right back on the perp Countries that protesteth too much. The protest movement has a lot of strange bedfellows and along the way there are a righteous few who just don?t think war ever solves anything but merely exchanges one set of problems for a different set. I can agree with the righteous on that and just ignore the rest quite easily.

I have always stated and taken the view that the road to victory over terrorism leads through Riyadh and, if and until, we chop off all the heads of that foul hydra and burn them, we are at serious risk and the terror and murder will go on and on. That bias stated, I can see that the current status of Iraq is a major strategic and tactical advantage in getting this war over with once and for all. If at the end of it all the Iraqi people end up much better off, then that just makes my day. But that the world will be much better off and safer for everyone is the vision I will to maintain and support within myself. I will further state that if I come to believe that the core issue of Saudi Arabia is not going to be addressed, then I?ll find it hard to find a lot of credibility in the war to date.

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Old 05-29-2003, 11:52 AM
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It took several years for the proSaddamists (they call themselves "anti-war, but we all know what they really are) to recover from their defeat in the first Gulf War, I imagine it will take them less time now.
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