UNCLE HO MURDERER,PART 2: WHY THE MURDERS

nguyen_viet_2000@yahoo.com (EL CHINO BOATMEN'S CONSCIENCE) wrote in message news:<6ea9eed5.0311060618.907fc09@posting.google.com>..

> WHY THE MURDERS:

It may be that you are merely ignorant.

If you'll review the following resources you will see why
civilized people find it impossible to justify and dismiss the many
murders committed by Vietnamese communists.

Viet Cong Atrocities:
http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...2390406001.pdf

Reeducation Camps:
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~sdenney...ion-Camps-1982

The Viet Cong Strategy of Terror:
http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...310402003a.pdf
http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...310402003b.pdf

Hanoi's Strategy of Terror:
http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...2310402004.pdf

Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com (Dai Uy) wrote in message news:<63323b03.0311062046.5a78f201@posting.google.com>...
> nguyen_viet_2000@yahoo.com (EL CHINO BOATMEN'S CONSCIENCE) wrote in message news:<6ea9eed5.0311060618.907fc09@posting.google.com>..
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> > WHY THE MURDERS:
>
> It may be that you are merely ignorant.
>
> If you'll review the following resources you will see why
> civilized people find it impossible to justify and dismiss the many
> murders committed by Vietnamese communists.

How did this compare to the strategy of bombing North Vietnam and the
hamlet program executed by the other side, captain?.

I would have thought, for every mine laid by the VC, there is more
than a bomb dropped by the US planes North of the DMZ. You could argue
that those bombs are aimed at North Vietnam military targets and
civilian casualties were only collateral damages. Likewise, I could
claim that every mine laid by the VC was aimed to strike VNCH/US
convoy passed through the road and any civilian casualty was
collateral damage too.

The same for the hamlet program and the VC "terror" policy, both were
aimed to prevent the opposition the ground to rest, hide, resupply,
and attack at their convenients. The act of VC terrors against the
VNCH system would be similar to the act of burning down villages and
"other related activities" in order to force the people to move to the
hamlets.

In the war zone such as Vietnam was, I doubt you could accuse one
action for one side while really stand up and defend for the pretty
much similar action for the other.

Of course, it will come down to the simple explaination, i.e., for
them, they are all parts of a well coordinated campaign while for us,
such incidents were isolated incidents. I understood that like in any
business, there are many unwritten rules in any war so to prove
conclusively one way or another, would be a very difficult exercise.
So the question of who was right or wrong will effectively come down
to the question of which side, are you on?

We have gone through this circle again and again. Could we just leave
this problem to rest for all? Thank you.

Cao_Ky@beer.com (Tran Cao Ky) wrote in message news:...
> Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com (Dai Uy) wrote in message news:<63323b03.0311062046.5a78f201@posting.google.com>...
> > nguyen_viet_2000@yahoo.com (EL CHINO BOATMEN'S CONSCIENCE) wrote in message news:<6ea9eed5.0311060618.907fc09@posting.google.com>..
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> > > WHY THE MURDERS:
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> I understood that like in any
> business, there are many unwritten rules in any war so to prove
> conclusively one way or another, would be a very difficult exercise.
> So the question of who was right or wrong will effectively come down
> to the question of which side, are you on?

One measure might be to consider refugee flow as an indicator of
which side posed, and poses, the least threat to the average
Vietnamese citizen.

How many Vietnamese chose to flee TO the communists -- either
before, or after their so-called liberation, from 1954 to today?

How many fled FROM that communist utopia TO freedom and
democracy?

Where are you posting from, and why?

>
> We have gone through this circle again and again. Could we just leave
> this problem to rest for all? Thank you.

Does it still bother you? The answer is very apparent. If
you'll be honest, and consider the questions above, it's very easy to
arrive at that answer.

Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com (Dai Uy) wrote in message news:<63323b03.0311071731.914a597@posting.google.com>...
> Cao_Ky@beer.com (Tran Cao Ky) wrote in message news:...
> > Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com (Dai Uy) wrote in message news:<63323b03.0311062046.5a78f201@posting.google.com>...
> One measure might be to consider refugee flow as an indicator of
> which side posed, and poses, the least threat to the average
> Vietnamese citizen.
There were about 800,000 refugees in 1954. I would not call those
800,000 refugees "average Vietnamese citizen" though and you know why.
Still that is the minority compared to the North Vietnam population at
the time. I understood that when Vietminh marched in to Hanoi in 1954,
the whole city erupted in celebration. Does this answer your question?

For the refugee flow the other way, why they need to move. The
agreement was to unify Vietnam after two years anyway and giving the
popular support of Vietminh by the AVERAGE VIETNAMESE, their winning
of the general election required by the Geneva agreement would be a
very sure thing in their minds.

> Where are you posting from, and why?
I know what you are coming from but I am not a refugee and actually is
thinking of moving back to Vietnam. Hope this answer your question.

> Does it still bother you? The answer is very apparent. If
> you'll be honest, and consider the questions above, it's very easy to
> arrive at that answer.
No, it does not. Looking at all available facts, I am very confident
where I stand on this issue.

Are we going through the same old tic-for-tac here? I have seen such
arguments and rebuttals many times before. Is there any new evidence
surfaced recently? If not, could we close this issue? Thank you.

Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com (Dai Uy) wrote in message news:<63323b03.0311062046.5a78f201@posting.google.com>...
> nguyen_viet_2000@yahoo.com (EL CHINO BOATMEN'S CONSCIENCE) wrote in message news:<6ea9eed5.0311060618.907fc09@posting.google.com>..
>
> > WHY THE MURDERS:
>
> It may be that you are merely ignorant.
>
> If you'll review the following resources you will see why
> civilized people find it impossible to justify and dismiss the many
> murders committed by Vietnamese communists.
>
> Viet Cong Atrocities:
> http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...2390406001.pdf
>
> Reeducation Camps:
> http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~sdenney...ion-Camps-1982
>
> The Viet Cong Strategy of Terror:
> http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...310402003a.pdf
> http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...310402003b.pdf
>
> Hanoi's Strategy of Terror:
> http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...2310402004.pdf

Had you been at Mi't events such as at their 'bie^?u ti`nh' or 'da`n
cha`o' manifestations in the US, you'd notice how healthy looking they
are.
Most of the males there are former RE camps inmates!
Seeing is believing!
If you' re not brainless like the rest of them, you must change your
line of thought. Instead of VC barbary or cruelty, you must be
thinking more about VC generosity and humanity!

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> > > WHY THE MURDERS:

> > Viet Cong Atrocities:
> > http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...2390406001.pdf
> >
> > Reeducation Camps:
> > http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~sdenney...ion-Camps-1982
> >
> > The Viet Cong Strategy of Terror:
> > http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...310402003a.pdf
> > http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...310402003b.pdf
> >
> > Hanoi's Strategy of Terror:
> > http://archive.vietnam.ttu.edu/star/...2310402004.pdf
>
> Had you been at Mi't events such as at their 'bie^?u ti`nh' or 'da`n
> cha`o' manifestations in the US, you'd notice how healthy looking they
> are.

Sorry, I missed it.

> Most of the males there are former RE camps inmates!

I'm glad to hear they survived and are doing well.

> Seeing is believing!

Yes it is. You will have noticed then that the references above
are liberally illustrated.

> If you' re not brainless like the rest of them, you must change your
> line of thought. Instead of VC barbary or cruelty, you must be
> thinking more about VC generosity and humanity!

I'll ask you the same question that I asked Mr. Tran. Oddly he's
not replied. I hope that you will.

As an indicator of which side and form of government was, and is,
most appealing to the average Vietnamese. How many Vietnamese chose
to flee TO the communists -- either before, or after their so-called
liberation, from 1954 to today?

How many fled FROM that communist utopia TO freedom and
democracy?

Where are you posting from, and why?