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Old 02-07-2009, 05:09 PM
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so she goes right back in dry dock. at a cost of ?????
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:25 AM
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An impressive resume, but he can't steer worth a crap! Out of a $1Billion budget for the ship, they can't find it in the budget to purchase a depth-finder? Maybe it's in that 'stimulus' bill............
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:48 AM
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well maybe he was side tracked because of "guests" on board. all CO's know that Harbor from memory. its not like there's no charts available. on board guests caused a disaster on a US sub. USS Greeneville. which surfaced right under a touring boat causing fatalities. maybe the Navy should reconsider taking guests along for sight seeing.

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Despite the failures of Commander Waddle, Navy administrators did not pursue a court-martial. Waddle received only a reprimand and was allowed to keep his rank and pension.


The Greenville went on to be involved in two other incidents the following year: In August, it ran aground in a Saipan port, and on January 27, 2002, it collided with the USS Ogden near Oman. Commanding officer David Bogdan was removed from duty following the Saipan incident but there were no disciplinary measures taken after the Ogden collision.
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these are warships. not pleasure cruisers !!!!
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Old 02-08-2009, 12:13 PM
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Commander Waddle's father is a personal friend of mine. That incident, which was imminently preventable, cost Waddle his career, and the Navy much more. I agree. Taking landlubbers on board is too much of a boondoggle and waste of our taxpayer dollars. Let them go the the PX of Base Exchange and then they can buy a friggin' video of the ship.
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Don't mean to get too far off track...but wasn't there a US Sub than ran into an underwater mountain or something?

As I recall it damaged the sub significantly.

Have they been able to get PORT ROYAL off the reef yet?
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the USS San Franciso ran head on into an underwater mountain. killing one crew man.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in696229.shtml

CMDR Kevin Mooney was relieved of his command and given a career-ending letter of reprimand
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Latest Try to Free Ship Grounded at Hawaii Fails


Navy fails in latest attempt to free warship that ran aground off Honolulu coast


By HERBERT A. SAMPLE Associated Press Writer
HONOLULU February 8, 2009 (AP)


The Navy says its third attempt to free a $1 billion warship that ran aground off the coast of Hawaii has failed.

Tugboats and a salvage ship tried unsuccessfully for four hours early Sunday to pull the USS Port Royal off a rock and sand shoal. The guided missile cruiser ran aground Thursday about a half-mile south of the Honolulu airport.

Pacific Fleet spokeswoman Agnes Tauyan says the Navy is reassessing its options.

The Navy had removed fuel, water and some personnel from the 9,600-ton vessel on Saturday in an effort to lighten it.

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As a QM, there should have been more than enough information to know where you are in shallow waters that close to land. The bearing takers (if there were any) should have been marking positions every 3 minutes, and if the QM was unsure where they were, he has all the power to have the CO come to "all-stop" until he/she is sure. Tides are also taken into account. With the number of QMs on a ship that size, there should have been no excuse. I find it hard to believe that a chart cold have been wrong... and even they must be updated before leaving port for any reason.

Ironically, the ship I was on, the CGC Gallatin, ran aground leaving drydock in 1983 in Curtis Bay, Md. Fortunately, it was just before I got stationed on her.
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Honda Point Disaster would have to be the best navigational joke of all the navies in the world
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