Same sex marrage

[sn-e3]

I was so young and nieve when I was young one of my best friends in the Navy was gay, he would go drinking and fighting with us but never to frequent the girls of low virtue we just thought he was overly religious. well 25 years after the fact he come through town on his way to canada for vacation with his sinnifecent other both ridding Harleys and breaks the news to my other buddy and me needless to say Pete and I were dumb founded but he never hit on anybody aboard ship so I guess he knew how to play the game very well. I'm very proud of Chad for the way he served his country and the way he handled himself looking back it could't have been very easy for him. I now believe its deffently not up to me to judge people. Shoot after I got out of the service I was only a half a boot string from the gutter myself. I drank way too much and I fought more then I drank I was a real mess and thank God no one Judged me as hard as I judged myself. because until you really get to know yourself how can you know anyone else. sorry folks I'm Rambeling again I'll be a good boy and shut up now...chris

[39mto39g]

Blue, Thank God the staes made people buy car insurence, If ya don't want to have insurence stay off the road, Don't buy it. I don't want you running into my new car and you not have insurence, Hell with that.

SN
Your guys are missing the point of the amendment, its not against same sex marrages.
Read this,
THE AMENDMENT WOULD DEFINE WHAT A MARRAGES IS, (BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN )
It has nothing to do with same sex marrages, or Gays or lesbians or equal rights. If your a man and a woman you can have a marrage licens, if your not you can't . Gay men can live togeather, Lesbian women can live togeather, Hell, you can live with your sister if you want to, you just don't get a marrage license and all the privleges that go with that peice of paper.


The amendment will happen, unless, of course, you would like some judge say its ok to marry your dog and give you a licesens.
After all some people already call there dogs there kids. Its not a stretch to thing that someone would marry a dog.
The idea of marrage has to be defined, or some mayors and some judges take it upon themselfs to change what has been the norm for as long as there has been marrage licenses. And when you let one change than where does it stop?

Ron

[Seascamp]

........ that just about sums it up. I was very young and na?ve also and probably wouldn?t have known if a Gay guy was hitting on me unless he grabbed my butt or pickle or something like that. But nothing ever happened and I only remember meeting one Gay guy the entire time in the Navy. That was later on when I got rotated through Master at Arms duty and had to escort an identified homosexual to a ship that had facilities and procedures to discharge him and send him on home. We went via Marine helicopter and I could tell the poor guy was upset and scared out of his wits. It was way to noisy to talk onboard the chopper so when we landed I took him aside and just told him, ?Stop crying for Christ?s sake, don?t let them see you cry, don?t do it. This too shall pass?. I was 21 at the time and about to go home myself and wasn?t so naive anymore and as such I knew he was in for a real hard time. I think he was 18 or so and a brand new Seaman Apprentice with maybe six months in the Navy, at best. Hopefully, he did as I said and went on home in a peaceful way and not too much worse for the wear, however, homosexuals were on hard times during that era if they were caught, boy howdy.

And I don?t think that is anything I?m proud of as the whole Marine Detachment brig system was totally out of control at the time and they were notorious for being cruel, inhumane and vicious as anyone could possibly imagine, then add some. Sadistic bastards is my thought and I wouldn?t believe it if I hadn?t seen it with my own eyes.

Scamp

[Seascamp]

Originally posted by Seascamp ........ that just about sums it up. I was very young and na?ve also and probably wouldn?t have known if a Gay guy was hitting on me unless he grabbed my butt or pickle or something like that. But nothing ever happened and I only remember meeting one Gay guy the entire time in the Navy. That was later on when I got rotated through Master at Arms duty and had to escort an identified homosexual to a ship that had facilities and procedures to discharge him and send him on home. We went via Marine helicopter and I could tell the poor guy was upset and scared out of his wits. It was way to noisy to talk onboard the chopper so when we landed I took him aside and just told him, ?Stop crying for Christ?s sake, don?t let them see you cry, don?t do it. This too shall pass?. I was 21 at the time and about to go home myself and wasn?t so naive anymore and as such I knew he was in for a real hard time. I think he was 18 or so and a brand new Seaman Apprentice with maybe six months in the Navy, at best. Hopefully, he did as I said and went on home in a peaceful way and not too much worse for the wear, however, homosexuals were on hard times during that era if they were caught, boy howdy.

And I don?t think that is anything I?m proud of as the whole Marine Detachment brig system was totally out of control at the time and they were notorious for being cruel, inhumane and vicious as anyone could possibly imagine, then add some. Sadistic bastards is my thought and I wouldn?t believe it if I hadn?t seen it with my own eyes.

Scamp

P.S. Ron,
A definition is what it?s all about for sure, as Pandora?s Box has just been opened. More than that actually as we are seeing activist Liberal Judges attempt to rewrite and reweave all the social norms they can get their grippers on. In their mind Gay marriage is OK but boy scouts? using a public park facility is not, I don?t get it. The Massachusetts Judges really think the entire USA is the tail and they are the dog that wags us. Well, I think not.

[BLUEHAWK]

Keep government out of the marriage business and out of the insurance business, at least.

[39mto39g]

Tell that to the mayor and the judges that decided to change how its been for a very long time,

Also,, Why would you want to drive without insurence? Cause its not going to happen to you?

Ron

[frisco-kid]

Like Griz said earlier, just because one state recognizes gay marriages doesn't mean that other states have to if they have laws in place in those states against it. CA does, was voted in by a majority, and just because these marriages are going to be recognized in SF, they are not going to be recognized by the state. They've already been told by Sacramento that the licenses aren't going to be recorded and they will not be able to file joint income taxes, etc.. I don't see this law being overturned any time soon. A significant majority of Californians are against the marriages. By the same token, a vast majority of Californians are against a Constitution Amendment on it, as I am.

Personally, I don't care about the marriages one way or the other. As a married heterosexual I don't, in the least bit, feel somehow threatened by gays marrying. I don't think it somehow demeans my marriage, or believe that it's the beginning of the end of the sexual morals of the country. I find your fear of the next step in the decline of the institution of marriage being people marrying animals to be absurd and comical. Are there people in TX waiting in the wings to do this? Haven't heard of it here.

I'm willing to bet that alot of the arguements and fears being voiced today about these marriages, are the same ones that were voiced in the arguement against mixed race marriages a few generations ago. I also believe that most of the people being so vocal about this today, would have taken the same stance about the mixed race marriages back then. BTW, CA was the first state to legalize mixed race marriages in 1948. It wasn't accepted nationwide until the mid 60s. Now just because this was accepted and legal in CA, you're VERY naive if you think these married couples were able to move to other states that RABIDLY prohibited such a union and have their marriage legally recognized. And Ron, back then ALOT of people truly believed that these people HAD married outside of their own species and the whole country was going to Hell in a handbasket, for sure.

Just my take on some of this.

[sn-e3]

Fisco like that old song say's "Times a changin"

[BLUEHAWK]

Ron - it ain't that a person would choose to drive without insurance... that is not the issue. The issue is when government hands a vast lucrative mandated legal contract to private industry... an industry which does everything it possibly can to limit its own liability by exclusions from coverage, hike our premiums every time a claim is made, change premiums if a person moves from state to state, refuse to cover things that would seem normally covered and all the freakin' rest of it. The government became complicit in making damn sure ever increasing premiums would be inevitable regardless of driving record or ability to pay... and so, like a LOT of good things in America, the insurance industry defines and controls, in this case with full government authority backing them up in whatever they and they alone decide to do, our lives.

When Lloyd's of London invented insurance for inland marine coverage of ship cargo, they did it to offer a gambler's protection that a given ship WOULD make it back to port with cargo intact. That is ALL insurance was intended to do. It was NEVER intended to protect the government from any risk or cost, nor was it intended to provide anybody with full compensation for every conceivable loss they might or might not have had any responsibility for.

[theoddz]

I believe gay marriage rights are on the horizon and will be here soon and I don't think there will ever be an amendment to the US Constitution that would, in effect, exclude gays and lesbians from enjoying the same rights under the law that heterosexuals have. If ever such an amendment were to get passed, we all should be afraid, very afraid, for it would definitely set a precedence for the exclusion of other groups of Americans via the Constitutional denial of their basic human rights.

The above is not a "flame" or aimed at any individual, etc., but simply my own personal view and should be taken as such.

I suppose this thread will now be closed, too, eh??