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RE: "PROOF"!
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Alright Mista Blue! That has been accomplished...........without the least little biddy doubt. The "PROOF" you so artfully described being needed has been supplied. The following "sources" are without question with regards to the accuracy of their statements as supplied in the above post: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele....9.html,...and, http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c....ions/,....and, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003....6.shtml,...and http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc....08-2-39,...and http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w....03Jan16,...and the Washington Post, 10/7/02, p.A02,....and, President Bush's "Senior Advisors",.... and JOSEPH A. VIOLANTE NATIONAL LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR for The Disabled American Veterans (DAV). I have the ability to secure MORE if you really believe it's needed after this compelling and most thorough accounting of the evidence you seemed to be unable (or unwilling) to locate and/or accept. What kind of unbelievable, improbable or outlandish excuses are you gonna attempt to use to try and subvert the TRUTH of these facts presented to you, huh??? :cd: :cd: Just asking.
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Re: RE: "PROOF"!
I checked your links, not one of them "could be found", according to the windows that appeared for each.
Okay, but let us assume that those are further assertions. In what way do those, whatever they were, prove that the President, "...intentionally, negligently and purposefully" meant to deprive Veterans of our due? Quote:
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Re: RE: VETO's and such
This is the post that you should have tried to connect to the "links" mentioned. Not that last post that you quoted which had the word "and" added to the "links".
It won't work that way. But, the ORIGINAL post below that I've "quoted" will get you to those url's. It damn sure does from my computor anyway. Regardless............your question......"In what way do those, whatever they were, prove that the President, "...intentionally, negligently and purposefully" meant to deprive Veterans of our due?" .... is absolutely astounding! If the facts presented before you by the DAV, the other sources mentioned, the Presidents OWN statements for Gods' sake (as well as his "Senior Advisors") that threatened VETO of the bills in question along with his "puposeful, negligent intent" to categorically UNDERFUND the VA healthcare budget and NOT EVEN ATTEMPT to FULLY FUND CONCURRENT RECEIPT dosen't "DEPRIVE VETERANS OF OUR DUE".........just WHAT in the NAME OF HELL DOES??? This is EXACTLY what I meant when I said this.........."What kind of unbelievable, improbable or outlandish excuses are you gonna attempt to use to try and subvert the TRUTH of these facts presented to you, huh/"........... Nice try, but it AIN"T GONNA WORK! You folks really ARE living in DENIAL, aren't you??? :cd: :cd: Quote:
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Has anyone thought to get the rest of the stories?
To take another approach... If a n y President (CINC) were to have done anything resembling what is being alledged above, then I am fairly certain there would have been a mutiny on the part of a great many military commanders, and by their orders (if not beforehand) their subordinates right on down the line. Even the stupidest lamest most selfish President America has ever had knew and knows that without our armed forces, not ONE thing they ordered done would have the slightest chance of being carried out. So, if for NO other reason, even the worst of the whole bunch are not going to do something purposefully negligent and wantonly injurious to any Veteran or active service member. People have been trying to stick Presidents with this kind of a charge ever since the Revolution. What we come to find out is that the oversight is either quickly remedied or the fault belongs somewhere else. Take it to the bank. |
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The new Republican tax cuts also made a point to exclude some military families by not allowing combat pay to be included in the income that can go toward claiming the credit. Many of those who don't get to claim the extra income won't get the tax credit. And, Bush sought to cut $150 million from aid to schools that attended by the children of enlistees and further cuts to VA budgets. All you gotta do is some simple Google searches to find out this information. And it comes from such reputable and trustworthy organizations such as the American Legion, the DAV, VFW, Paralyzed Veterans of America, Vietnam Veterans of America, etc. Joe Fox of Paralyzed Veterans of Americans said "the reductions will slam the poorest disabled veterans and cut GI Bill benefits for soldiers who are currently serving in Iraq." It could also eliminate 9000 doctors from an already taxed system. Fox said it was "an in-your-face insult to the veterans of this country." "Pressures on the VA health care system have escalated to a critical point that can no longer be ignored by our government," said Joe Violante, legislative director for the Disabled American Veterans. Due to a shortage of funding there is a backlog in claims from Gulf War veterans of almost 500,000 (a third of veterans of that war) and another 500,000 compensation and pension cases backlogged. Also because of budget cuts, the VA has had to treat more than 1.4 million additional veterans in the last seven years with 20,000 fewer staff employees. According to DAV this means hardships for any veterans who need new benefits in the future. The cuts a particularly devastating because soldiers are amongst the lowest paid people in our society. And, there are more than two thousand active soldiers and their families that currently have to accept food stamps in order feed themselves. President Bush, however, suggested only a 2% raise for low-ranking soldiers in his 2003 budget. But, you and many, many other upper-class and wealthy folks got that damn TAX CUT, didn't you? I'll be glad to supply you with more compelling evidence..........but from the looks of your response thus far it dosen't seem it will undo that mangled mess of propaganda floating around in that hard head of yours that you've been spoon fed by your republican "puppet" masters.
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a. The reasoned comments made by former commanders and other senior military concerning the conduct of the war are a whole lot different than the spew that is spewing in other sectors.
I sometimes agree with their perceptions, and sometimes not, but they take the care (usually) to state their educated opinions without resorting to derogatory and insulting falsehoods. b. Responsibility for approving budgets rests with the United States Congress. c. What in the world would ever have made anyone think that I am "... upper class and wealthy", or that I benefitted one bit from the tax cut being referred to? If someone were to add up the combined incomes and savings of every known living member of my family, we'd still not begin to reach that threshhold. IF the economic plan this administration has laid out does actually accomplish what they projected it should, then, maybe, all of us will benefit in some way or another. That was the plan anyhow, but I myself have no real way of tracing whether it is working or not the way it is supposed to. In my limited experience, unpleasant economic news for someone pretty much accompanies every administration sooner or later. |
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Will you
not EVER admit that George W. Bush has been found to be guilty as charged in the "proof" that you asked for and I supplied you?
If not.................I think a detailed explantion is due everyone who participates in these discussions as well as any visitors that may peruse these pages. Are you attempting to say the DAV, VFW, American Legion, the Paralyzed Veterans of America, The Vietnam Veterans of America, The Retired Military Officers Association, AMVETS, The Military Order of the Purple Heart and ALL the OTHER well intended and reputable "sources" are LYING about their allegations against Bush and his administration. Are you REALLY that DEEP in DENIAL that you can't see these folks are telling the TRUTH? Or is it simply to disgusting and revolting for you to comprehend that GEE-W could do this? You...........like your counterparts evidently can not accept (or will not) that your choice to lead this Nation has abandoned his pledge to disabled and retired military Veterans as well as the current military personnel serving as we speak! And THAT my friend causes JUST as much damage to all of us as does the injustices Bush himself has committed! Because of YOUR lack of outrage and continued acceptance of his behavior with regards to the "PROOF" I've supplied you, he will CONTINUE on his course of neglect and outright abandonment of Veterans causes!
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Gimpy "MUD GRUNT/RIVERINE" "I ain't no fortunate son"--CCR "We have shared the incommunicable experience of war..........We have felt - we still feel - the passion of life to its top.........In our youth our hearts were touched with fire" Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. |
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The
Silence is "deafening"! :cd: :cd: :cd: :cd:
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Gimpy "MUD GRUNT/RIVERINE" "I ain't no fortunate son"--CCR "We have shared the incommunicable experience of war..........We have felt - we still feel - the passion of life to its top.........In our youth our hearts were touched with fire" Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. |
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Re: Will you
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I'd like you to get an appointment with the President, the VA Director and the Joint Chiefs to present them your best top five allegations. Please take complete notes or an audio tape of their responses, in full, and publish the unedited transcript here on PF, and anywhere else that might be useful. Deal? |
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