Inaliable Rights???

[reconeil]

Inalienable Rights???

Today (8/14/03) an ASSOCIATED PRESS article headlined:
"Thousands protest in Baghdad;
2 U.S. soldiers killed in battles"made me wonder about protesters. Presently, does Our American Constitution giving The Right to Protest, also include and cover all foreigners, terrorists, assassins, and even defeated foreign enemies worldwide? It sure seems to do just that.

I used to believe (since taught so in school) that America's Constitution only protected The American Citizenry, with all its Inalienable Rights. Though, and for quite some time now, it appears as if The American Constitution actually protects every living and breathing creature on earth (fanatical and murderous enemies inclusive).

Perhaps America's Leaders (of whatever bent), micro-managers and/or those calling-the-shots in every detail for The U.S. Military should go back to school? Then, it might be realized that: "Political-correctness", politically-correct warfares and politically-correct occupations are truly quite asinine in general,...and especially quite costly in Lives & Blood for: "America's Finest" and/or The U.S. Military.

The post-war daily body-counts and wounded in Iraq proves the above point very well and quite graphically. Don't you think? Plus, it should be remembered that no such waste of American Lives & Blood occured during the 7 or so years of occupation of either Japan or Germany after WWII. No belligerent and hostile (armed also) protests against the new authority were foolishly condoned or permitted.

Besides, isn't it insane to permit protests by people of whom many sport AK-47's and consider anyone in uniform a prime target of opportunity? No other country on earth would so stupidly and cavalierly put their military in such a precarious situation. Did Sadam Hussein ever permit these very same protesters to protest? I don't think so. Don't believe Ho Chi Min, Mao or Stalin ever permitted protesters either.

Maybe, if some of America's Leaders spent ONLY ONE DAY in such a hostile and confrontational environement, "They" might come to their senses. "They" might even come to realize that their foolish and naive dictates and/or one-sidedly-absurd: "Rules of Engagement" (favoring only the enemy) have cost the loss of American Lives & Blood over the years. Such is true whether referring to: Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, or wherever next.

Still, and even though most politicos can handle heckling pretty-well at large gatherings, I just can't picture any American politician handling a hostile Iraqi crowd very well. I fact, I'll bet a million that if any politico facing what American Soldiers in Iraq face daily ever heard the word: "INCOMING" while surrounded by protestors, his drawers would undoubtedly need instant laundering, fumigating, burning, or whatever.

Regardless, at least that LUCKY (since not killed or wounded) Civilian War Lord (re. Senator or Congressman) might get a good taste of what America's absurd, one-sided and enemy-helpful (usually) Rules of Engagement help to produce. Hey,..."He" can put a new set of drawers needed on his expense account anyway. Then he can visit JAG smelling like rose petals instead.

The End



Neil

[sfc_darrel]

I don't know about Japan but in Germany there was organized opposition in Germany that attacked our troops.

The good news is now it costs more money to pay the people to attack. The last number that I heard was $5,000 for each American killed backed up by a threat against family if they didn't try.

[reconeil]

That's the first I've ever heard of any: "Organized resistance" against Americans after WWII. Thanks for the info.

Still, were the daily number of American body-counts and wounded in post-war Germany anything similar to that suffered and wasted on policing in Iraq by: "America's Finest"

Regardless, I was always led to believe that most all fanatical Nazis (those needed as Scientists excluded) not jailed or hung, went underground or tried getting to South America or any other friendly place on earth???

Neil :cd:

[Sgt_Tropo]

Let it be known loud and clear that ANYONE with a weapon and not wearing one of our uniforms, or that of a recognized police or allied military organization will be considered an immediate threat and subject to be shot on sight ! Also, give the Iraqis 72 hours to surrender ALL weapons, or be subject to to shot on sight if found to be in possesion of any firearm or explosive device.
The Shities are threatening to rise up in armed opposition if the maniacs in Iran, Saudi Arabia, or any other Islamic country declares a Jihad. We and our allies need to make it known unequivically that we have endured enough and will exercise our full military might if the attacks continue.
It seems as if everybody in the world wants the USA to be the world's policeman, but don't give a @#$% about our boys in uniform getting murdered for doing what these ragheads wanted us to do in first place! If we are going to be the top dog in the yard, then it's time to set the rules and hold these ignorant sandfleas that we mean business. If they want us to get outt of their country, they need to show us and the world that they know how to behave like civilized people, for a change. Otherwise, they need to se that there WILL be a lot less of them very shortly !!
I can understand that the Iraqis are wanting jobs and for their lives to get back to some form of normalcy. They need to get on with the business of helping us rebuild their infrastructure, not continue to tear it down. They need to understand that it is THEIR responsibility to rebuild what they allowed to be destroyed by the previous regime and by their own riotous actions over the past several months.
The new ruling coalition can't even decide amoung themselves what their priorities should be. I think they should follow a plan like most competent project managers. Identify the top 10 issues and start with the #1 issue. When that one is completed, start on #2. Once a project gets completed and is removed from the list, another one gets added to the list, so that you are always focused on the "top 10". That doesn't mean that you can't work on more than one project at a time, but that you have to stick to the "top 10" list.
Once they identify the top 10" action items, the coalition should publish it to their people and hold the appointed area representative and the locals responsible for getting it completed.
They don't want to work the list, then get rid of the representative and / the local trouble makers, through incarceration or other means, such as deportation to Equador Giauna ;-) !
One way or another, the Iraqi people need to wake up to the fact that we are no longer going to tolerate murder, anarchy, mass civil disobedience and destruction of property.
Get the funds to the coalition representatives and coach them on working local projects like a small business operation. If an area needs a water weel or water treatment facility repaired, use the Iraqi oil revenues to get the money and get the project moving. We have more than enough industry experts in-country (Halliburton and other companies) to help oversee the projects. These appointed US administrator needs to stop pandering to the rediculous demands of any single group (Shities) and start telling them how the cow chews the cud ! If they don't like it, get rid of them bums !!!! If our administrator can't stand up to these people, get rid of him !!!!!!!!!!! Compasionate conservitism does hold water in a war zone !!

[MORTARDUDE]

We are finally doing things the right way in Iraq. There were 4 or 5 guys selling arms in a parking lot. They were all shot without warning. The soldier they interviewed said they knew this was wrong and paid the price. I saw it on TV. About time.

Larry

[Boats]

Sgt-Tropo

As stated: Let it be known loud and clear that ANYONE with a weapon and not wearing one of our uniforms, or that of a recognized police or allied military organization will be considered an immediate threat and subject to be shot on sight !

Is very well put and I agree! This type of notice will allow for no excuses by those who are rebelling. I'd post this on every corner and store and make the police hand them out that in 48 hours anyone with a weapon will be shot first - if not killed put in jail - and then maybe they won't be so quick to shoot someone or carry a weapon around.

I like that better than this polictical crap they are using.

[HARDCORE]

Hell Ya, Neil! Why not give the entire planet the rights and privileges of our Constitution and citizenship! They already have access to our military and treasury, do they not? (opinion)

VERITAS

[sfc_darrel]

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Oct, 2000

Minutemen of the Third Reich.(history of the Nazi Werewolf guerilla movement)

Author/s: Perry Biddiscombe

AS WORRIES INCREASE about neo-Nazi and skinhead violence in Germany, it is worth remembering that this type of terrorism is a nasty constant in the history of the German radical-right. A case in point is the Nazi Werewolf guerrilla movement founded by Heinrich Himmler in 1044, which fought the occupying forces of Britain, America and Russia until at least 1047.

The Werewolves were originally organised by the SS and the Hitler Youth as a diversionary operation on the fringes of the Third Reich, which were occupied by the Western Allies and the Soviets in the autumn of 1944. Some 5,000 -- 6,000 recruits were raised by the winter of 1944-45, but numbers rose considerably in the following spring when the Nazi Party and the Propaganda Ministry launched a popular call to arms, beseeching everybody in the occupied areas -- even women and children -- to launch themselves upon the enemy. In typical Nazi fashion, this expansion was not co-ordinated by the relevant bodies, which were instead involved in a bureaucratic war among themselves over control of the project. The result was that the movement functioned on two largely unrelated levels: the first as a real force of specially trained SS, Hitler Youth and Nazi Party guerrillas; the second as an outlet for casual violence by fanatics.

The Werewolves specialised in ambushes and sniping, and took the lives of many Allied and Soviet soldiers and officers -- perhaps even that of the first Soviet commandant of Berlin, General N.E. Berzarin, who was rumoured to have been waylaid in Charlottenburg during an incident in June 1945. Buildings housing Allied and Soviet staffs were favourite targets for Werewolf bombings; an explosion in the Bremen police headquarters, also in June 1945, killed five Americans and thirty-nine Germans. Techniques for harassing the occupiers were given widespread publicity through Werewolf leaflets and radio propaganda, and long after May 1945 the sabotage methods promoted by the Werewolves were still being used against the occupying powers .

Although the Werewolves originally limited themselves to guerrilla warfare with the invading armies, they soon began to undertake scorched-earth measures and vigilante actions against German `collaborators' or `defeatists'. They damaged Germany's economic infrastructure, already battered by Allied bombing and ground fighting, and tried to prevent anything of value from falling into enemy hands. Attempts to blow up factories, power plants or waterworks occasionally provoked melees between Werewolves and desperate German workers trying to save the physical basis of their employment, particularly in the Ruhr and Upper Silesia.

Several sprees of vandalism through stocks of art and antiques, stored by the Berlin Museum in a flak tower at Friedrichshain, caused millions of dollars worth of damage and cultural losses of inestimable value. In addition, vigilante attacks caused the deaths of a number of small-town mayors and, in late March 1945, a Werewolf paratroop squad assassinated the Lord Mayor of Aachen, Dr Franz Oppenhoff, probably the most prominent German statesman to have emerged in the occupied fringes over the winter of 1944-45. This spate of killings, part of a larger Nazi terror campaign that consumed the Third Reich after the failed anti-Hitler putsch of July 20th, 1944, can be interpreted as a psychological retreat back into opposition, even while Nazi leaders were still clinging to their last few months of power.

Although the Werewolves managed to make themselves a nuisance to small Allied and Soviet units, they failed to stop or delay the invasion and occupation of Germany, and did not succeed in rousing the population into widespread opposition to the new order. The SS and Hitler Youth organisations at the core of the Werewolf movement were poorly led, short of supplies and weapons, and crippled by infighting. Their mandate was a conservative one of tactical harassment, at least until the final days of the war, and even when they did begin to envision the possibility of an underground resistance that could survive the Third Reich's collapse, they had to contend with widespread civilian war-weariness and fear of enemy reprisals. In Western Germany, no one wanted to do anything that would diminish the pace of Anglo-American advance and possibly thereby allow the Red Army to push further westward.

Despite its failure, however, the Werewolf project had a huge impact, widening the psychological and spiritual gap between Germans and their occupiers. Werewolf killings and intimidation of `collaborators' scared almost everybody, giving German civilians a clear glimpse into the nihilistic heart of Nazism. It was difficult for people working under threat of such violence to devote themselves unreservedly to the initial tasks of reconstruction. Worse still, the Allies and Soviets reacted to the movement with extremely tough controls, curtailing the right of assembly of German civilians. Challenges of any sort were met by collective reprisals -- especially on the part of the Soviets and the French. In a few cases the occupiers even shot hostages and cleared out towns where instances of sabotage occurred. It was standard practice for the Soviets to destroy whole communities if they faced a single act of resistance. In the eastern fringes of the `Greater Reich', now annexed by the Poles and the Czechoslovaks, Werewolf harassment handed the new authorities an excuse to rush the deportations of millions of ethnic Germans to occupied Germany.

Such policies were understandable, but they created an unbridgeable gulf between the German people and the occupation forces who had pledged to impose essential reforms. It was hard, in such conditions, for the occupiers to encourage reform, and even harder to persuade the Germans that it was necessary.

By the time that this rough opposition to the occupation had started to soften, the Cold War was under way and reform became equally difficult to implement. As a result, both German states created in 1949 were not so dissimilar to their predecessor as might have been hoped, and changes in attitudes and institutions developed only slowly. Thanks partly to the Werewolves there was no German revolution in 1945, either imposed from above or generated from below.

The Last Nazis by Perry Biddiscombe, is published this month by Tempus. The book explores the background to the movement, its operations and its wholly negative legacy to the history of reconstruction in postwar Germany.

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[kmetz]

Our big mistake was to boast to the world that we were going into Iraq to, among other things, create a democracy. Democracy=freedom of speech and assembly. We should have said that we wanted to rid the country of all the maniacs and then we'd work on helping Iraq with a humane form of government. Democracy is not for everyone in the world--and democracy takes a long time to take hold even when a country wants it. People that are fed, watered, clothed, housed, and COOL, are much less likely to rebel.

sfc_darrel -- you beat me to the Werewolf movement. The Japanese were not the only faction in WWII that had plans to fight on to eternity.