Re: THE INTENSIVE RICE CULTURE NEAR ANGKOR WAT MIGHT BE THE EXPRESSION OF CAMBODIAN GENIOUS!!!!!Re: Ancient Hindus dug artificial lakes to store water

The area around Angkor Wat is not very fertile with sandy soil, and
therefore massive food supply must have depended on the annual
flooding and deposition of alluvial soil to sustain food production.
There is an engineer from Indonesia who speculated that the land
around Angkor has risen perceptibly over the years significantly
reducing the area flooded by the tonle sap and may be the cause of the
decline of Angkor.
This theory makes senses if we consider that Boueng mealea close to
the Koulen mountain about 20 miles NW of Angkor was designed as a
water city with canals,... (the area is now bone dry and does not
support any rize cultivation); Further more KOh Ker an old capital
(another 40 km north)must have also be located in the flood plain.
Hence the total land flooded by the Tonle sap could be as much as 10
times the present area significantly improving agricultural production
and supporting a much higher density of human habitation.
Kumnith

el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message news:<2b8b88c2.0308060446.3e595e3b@posting.google.com>...
> I saw them during my visit to AnfkorWat.
> They are large but not large enough to sustain a putative number of 1
> million inhabitants in Angkor Heydays.
> Probably there are more areas now invaded by the jungles.
>
> But to say that these impressive irrigation projects were the gift of
> the Aryan Culture from India, Cachemir is far-fetched just like some
> Chinese claimed to have taught the Vietnamese to plant rice while the
> reverse is probably true.
>
> Rice was invented in South East Asia, probably Thailand, Vietnam or
> Burma. The flooded culture was also invented in South East Asia. The
> Chinese did bring some significant improvements such as use of metal
> tipped plows, certain kind of harness for buffalos and oxes and
> chiefly the use of manure as fertilizers.
>
> I am not sure that the evidence of Aryan Cachemir was at any time in
> history an important place to produce food of any kind
>
>
>
>
>
> habshi@anony.com (habshi) wrote in message news:<3f2f903a.14307433@news.clara.net>...
> > dawn.com
> > The Water and Power Development Authority plans to take the Mangla
> > level to 1,206 feet as it did last year. The authority hopes to get
> > 260,000 acre feet extra water constituting 10 days irrigation supply
> > for the country.
> >
> > This means that India needs 250,000 acre feet per day ie a
> > lake 250,000 acres , 365 ft deep to store one years supply which is
> > quite small

3 - 6 thousand years?

Bollocks.

Rice was invented on September 23, 1912
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~instresr/ri...s/history.html
--
Nigel Brooks


"EL CHINO" wrote in message
news:2b8b88c2.0308081657.5bcee8b8@posting.google.c om...
> Thank you Mr ken Pinh for your interest in this tread on rice.
>
> Recently Vietnamese Archeologists had found several archeological
> relics of rice throughout Vietnam but the oldest was in South Vietnam
> and in the VN Central Highlands, i.e., territories that were invaded
> by Vietnamese only recently hence in no way Vietnamese can claim that
> rice culture was taught by Vietnamese to these people.
>
> The oldest rice seeds dated with carbon 14 dated from 3 to 6 thousands
> years, i.e., slightly less than rice found in Thailand.
>
> In Vietnamese history, it was recognized that the fast growing rice
> which enjoyed flooded rice field was imported from Champa in the 13 th
> century which allowed North Vietnam, i.e., Dai Viet ,then, to
> cultivate 2 crops per year in many parts of the Red River Valley
> therefore allowed a demographic explosion of the Viets giving them an
> edge in competition over the Chams and the Cambodians
>
>
>
> kumnith@yahoo.com (Ken Ping) wrote in message
news:...
> > The area around Angkor Wat is not very fertile with sandy soil, and
> > therefore massive food supply must have depended on the annual
> > flooding and deposition of alluvial soil to sustain food production.
> > There is an engineer from Indonesia who speculated that the land
> > around Angkor has risen perceptibly over the years significantly
> > reducing the area flooded by the tonle sap and may be the cause of the
> > decline of Angkor.
> > This theory makes senses if we consider that Boueng mealea close to
> > the Koulen mountain about 20 miles NW of Angkor was designed as a
> > water city with canals,... (the area is now bone dry and does not
> > support any rize cultivation); Further more KOh Ker an old capital
> > (another 40 km north)must have also be located in the flood plain.
> > Hence the total land flooded by the Tonle sap could be as much as 10
> > times the present area significantly improving agricultural production
> > and supporting a much higher density of human habitation.
> > Kumnith
> >
> > el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message
news:<2b8b88c2.0308060446.3e595e3b@posting.google.com>...
> > > I saw them during my visit to AnfkorWat.
> > > They are large but not large enough to sustain a putative number of 1
> > > million inhabitants in Angkor Heydays.
> > > Probably there are more areas now invaded by the jungles.
> > >
> > > But to say that these impressive irrigation projects were the gift of
> > > the Aryan Culture from India, Cachemir is far-fetched just like some
> > > Chinese claimed to have taught the Vietnamese to plant rice while the
> > > reverse is probably true.
> > >
> > > Rice was invented in South East Asia, probably Thailand, Vietnam or
> > > Burma. The flooded culture was also invented in South East Asia. The
> > > Chinese did bring some significant improvements such as use of metal
> > > tipped plows, certain kind of harness for buffalos and oxes and
> > > chiefly the use of manure as fertilizers.
> > >
> > > I am not sure that the evidence of Aryan Cachemir was at any time in
> > > history an important place to produce food of any kind
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > habshi@anony.com (habshi) wrote in message
news:<3f2f903a.14307433@news.clara.net>...
> > > > dawn.com
> > > > The Water and Power Development Authority plans to take the Mangla
> > > > level to 1,206 feet as it did last year. The authority hopes to get
> > > > 260,000 acre feet extra water constituting 10 days irrigation supply
> > > > for the country.
> > > >
> > > > This means that India needs 250,000 acre feet per day ie a
> > > > lake 250,000 acres , 365 ft deep to store one years supply which is
> > > > quite small

but when was the MOB created? 1970

http://mob.rice.edu/history/

"Nigel Brooks ²°°³®©" wrote in message
news:bh344h$tc0mj$1@ID-74999.news.uni-berlin.de...
> 3 - 6 thousand years?
>
> Bollocks.
>
> Rice was invented on September 23, 1912
> http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~instresr/ri...s/history.html
> --
> Nigel Brooks
>
>
> "EL CHINO" wrote in message
> news:2b8b88c2.0308081657.5bcee8b8@posting.google.c om...
> > Thank you Mr ken Pinh for your interest in this tread on rice.
> >
> > Recently Vietnamese Archeologists had found several archeological
> > relics of rice throughout Vietnam but the oldest was in South Vietnam
> > and in the VN Central Highlands, i.e., territories that were invaded
> > by Vietnamese only recently hence in no way Vietnamese can claim that
> > rice culture was taught by Vietnamese to these people.
> >
> > The oldest rice seeds dated with carbon 14 dated from 3 to 6 thousands
> > years, i.e., slightly less than rice found in Thailand.
> >
> > In Vietnamese history, it was recognized that the fast growing rice
> > which enjoyed flooded rice field was imported from Champa in the 13 th
> > century which allowed North Vietnam, i.e., Dai Viet ,then, to
> > cultivate 2 crops per year in many parts of the Red River Valley
> > therefore allowed a demographic explosion of the Viets giving them an
> > edge in competition over the Chams and the Cambodians
> >
> >
> >
> > kumnith@yahoo.com (Ken Ping) wrote in message
> news:...
> > > The area around Angkor Wat is not very fertile with sandy soil, and
> > > therefore massive food supply must have depended on the annual
> > > flooding and deposition of alluvial soil to sustain food production.
> > > There is an engineer from Indonesia who speculated that the land
> > > around Angkor has risen perceptibly over the years significantly
> > > reducing the area flooded by the tonle sap and may be the cause of the
> > > decline of Angkor.
> > > This theory makes senses if we consider that Boueng mealea close to
> > > the Koulen mountain about 20 miles NW of Angkor was designed as a
> > > water city with canals,... (the area is now bone dry and does not
> > > support any rize cultivation); Further more KOh Ker an old capital
> > > (another 40 km north)must have also be located in the flood plain.
> > > Hence the total land flooded by the Tonle sap could be as much as 10
> > > times the present area significantly improving agricultural production
> > > and supporting a much higher density of human habitation.
> > > Kumnith
> > >
> > > el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message
> news:<2b8b88c2.0308060446.3e595e3b@posting.google.com>...
> > > > I saw them during my visit to AnfkorWat.
> > > > They are large but not large enough to sustain a putative number of
1
> > > > million inhabitants in Angkor Heydays.
> > > > Probably there are more areas now invaded by the jungles.
> > > >
> > > > But to say that these impressive irrigation projects were the gift
of
> > > > the Aryan Culture from India, Cachemir is far-fetched just like some
> > > > Chinese claimed to have taught the Vietnamese to plant rice while
the
> > > > reverse is probably true.
> > > >
> > > > Rice was invented in South East Asia, probably Thailand, Vietnam or
> > > > Burma. The flooded culture was also invented in South East Asia.
The
> > > > Chinese did bring some significant improvements such as use of metal
> > > > tipped plows, certain kind of harness for buffalos and oxes and
> > > > chiefly the use of manure as fertilizers.
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure that the evidence of Aryan Cachemir was at any time in
> > > > history an important place to produce food of any kind
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > habshi@anony.com (habshi) wrote in message
> news:<3f2f903a.14307433@news.clara.net>...
> > > > > dawn.com
> > > > > The Water and Power Development Authority plans to take the Mangla
> > > > > level to 1,206 feet as it did last year. The authority hopes to
get
> > > > > 260,000 acre feet extra water constituting 10 days irrigation
supply
> > > > > for the country.
> > > > >
> > > > > This means that India needs 250,000 acre feet per day ie a
> > > > > lake 250,000 acres , 365 ft deep to store one years supply which
is
> > > > > quite small
>
>

Comrade Leftball hbui, what do you mean by "co+m quo^'c gia" ? Is it
the rice produced by VNCH or the small percentage imported from
Thailand ?

TL.

hbui99@msn.com (hbui) wrote in message news:<568b7889.0308090828.31b021b9@posting.google.com>...
> el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message news:<2b8b88c2.0308081657.5bcee8b8@posting.google.com>...
> > Thank you Mr ken Pinh for your interest in this tread on rice.
> >
> > Recently Vietnamese Archeologists had found several archeological
> > relics of rice throughout Vietnam but the oldest was in South Vietnam
> > and in the VN Central Highlands, i.e., territories that were invaded
> > by Vietnamese only recently hence in no way Vietnamese can claim that
> > rice culture was taught by Vietnamese to these people.
> >
> > The oldest rice seeds dated with carbon 14 dated from 3 to 6 thousands
> > years, i.e., slightly less than rice found in Thailand.
> >
> > In Vietnamese history, it was recognized that the fast growing rice
> > which enjoyed flooded rice field was imported from Champa in the 13 th
> > century which allowed North Vietnam, i.e., Dai Viet ,then, to
> > cultivate 2 crops per year in many parts of the Red River Valley
> > therefore allowed a demographic explosion of the Viets giving them an
> > edge in competition over the Chams and the Cambodians
> >
> >
> >
> > kumnith@yahoo.com (Ken Ping) wrote in message news:...
> > > The area around Angkor Wat is not very fertile with sandy soil, and
> > > therefore massive food supply must have depended on the annual
> > > flooding and deposition of alluvial soil to sustain food production.
> > > There is an engineer from Indonesia who speculated that the land
> > > around Angkor has risen perceptibly over the years significantly
> > > reducing the area flooded by the tonle sap and may be the cause of the
> > > decline of Angkor.
> > > This theory makes senses if we consider that Boueng mealea close to
> > > the Koulen mountain about 20 miles NW of Angkor was designed as a
> > > water city with canals,... (the area is now bone dry and does not
> > > support any rize cultivation); Further more KOh Ker an old capital
> > > (another 40 km north)must have also be located in the flood plain.
> > > Hence the total land flooded by the Tonle sap could be as much as 10
> > > times the present area significantly improving agricultural production
> > > and supporting a much higher density of human habitation.
> > > Kumnith
> > >
> > > el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message news:<2b8b88c2.0308060446.3e595e3b@posting.google.com>...
> > > > I saw them during my visit to AnfkorWat.
> > > > They are large but not large enough to sustain a putative number of 1
> > > > million inhabitants in Angkor Heydays.
> > > > Probably there are more areas now invaded by the jungles.
> > > >
> > > > But to say that these impressive irrigation projects were the gift of
> > > > the Aryan Culture from India, Cachemir is far-fetched just like some
> > > > Chinese claimed to have taught the Vietnamese to plant rice while the
> > > > reverse is probably true.
> > > >
> > > > Rice was invented in South East Asia, probably Thailand, Vietnam or
> > > > Burma. The flooded culture was also invented in South East Asia. The
> > > > Chinese did bring some significant improvements such as use of metal
> > > > tipped plows, certain kind of harness for buffalos and oxes and
> > > > chiefly the use of manure as fertilizers.
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure that the evidence of Aryan Cachemir was at any time in
> > > > history an important place to produce food of any kind
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > habshi@anony.com (habshi) wrote in message news:<3f2f903a.14307433@news.clara.net>...
> > > > > dawn.com
> > > > > The Water and Power Development Authority plans to take the Mangla
> > > > > level to 1,206 feet as it did last year. The authority hopes to get
> > > > > 260,000 acre feet extra water constituting 10 days irrigation supply
> > > > > for the country.
> > > > >
> > > > > This means that India needs 250,000 acre feet per day ie a
> > > > > lake 250,000 acres , 365 ft deep to store one years supply which is
> > > > > quite small
>
> Archeologists have proof that the Vietnamese rice was imported from
> Champa but hbui, who is not an archeologist, has proof that the breed
> of rice named "co+m quo^'c gia" was imported from the US.