Health concerns? NOT Dioxin but another chemical

[Margaret Diann]

What causes a product like Dioxin to be 'sprayed?'

What was the propellant?

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I've wondered whether or not you knew what caused the AO to be sprayed
... was there a propellant?
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Reply #1


There was NO propellant, but AO was diluted with JP 4 & JP 5 by 50%


What chemical is left in the air when the Cobra Helicopter fired off their rockets?

There is another chemical to suspect
for cause of 'syndromes' & autoimmune issues & cancers & birth defects

A site I moderate for Vietnam Vets with Cancer VietNam Veterans with Cancer http://groups.msn.com/VietNamVeteranswithCancer What caused all this harm to our VETS? * Look Alike? Do Vietnam Vets, Gulf war vets and civilians with CFIDS look alike? Do they look like the Exxon Valdez oil spill 'bioremediation' workers? . 'civilian gulf war syndrome' aka CFIDS THE LIST' per research of what happened to the Vietnam Vets - For Sure and Suspected - What happened to 500,000 soldiers I firmly believe PTSD is part of the autoimmune action on the nervous system that a chemical exposure to BUTYL or 2-butoxyethanol would cause I think the anemia that goes undetected (proof that this chemical is the cause of autoimmune hemolytic anemia) is often coupled with non Hodgkin's lymphoma http://groups.msn.com/AboutNHL What Butyl causes, and how to find the anemia http://www.valdezlink.com/re/butylcauses.htm Vietnam vets have had their multiple list of autoimmune issues well documented, but they blame the wrong chemical I spoke about this to the Advisory Committee on Gulf War vets on 9/25/08 in Wash, D.C and a Vietnam Vet did speak also http://www.valdezlink.com/gwv/acgwv.htm#public All you have to do to find the BUTYL or 2-butoxyethanol poisoning is to look at what is different EXACTLY when the flu symptoms startup Then early on look for blood in urine, very high white blood cell counts (an anemia sign of autoimmune hemolytic anemia) and ragged and beat up red blood cells. These soldiers were most likely poisoned at that time... not from a prior military assignment Three Soldiers Die in 2005 after 'flu-symptoms' http://www.valdezlink.com/re/3soldiersdieafterflu05.htm http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/soldiersdie.htm http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/lookslikeflu.htm Says a soldier in our military today, "I Need Help" The reason doctors and researchers will not 'figure out the harm of this chemical' ... is because there are too many variables. They can only have one variable going on at a time in order to check it out ... and this chemical causes too many things to change http://www.valdezlink.com/re/toresearchers2.htm Consider glyconutrients for help, maybe Rituxan if you have a cancer http://www.valdezlink.com/re/willglyobiologyhelp.htm The Proper View of CFIDS, CFS, FM, ME and find the cause of HELLP Syndrome for new moms should be an urgent priority Ask if they also have MEMORY LOSS ... they will if it is poisoning by 2-butoxyethanol or BUTYL http://www.valdezlink.com/re/avoidpesticides.htm Margaret Diann Box 233 Valdez, AK 99686 907-835-3135 At the very least, the CDC should had to their flu site, that another cause of flu symptoms is too much exposure to 2-butoxyethanol ... BUTYL Research indicates that it causes acute hemolytic anemia in rats http://www.valdezlink.com/re/msn/renalliver/hm.htm & a lot more http://www.valdezlink.com/pages/doctorssay-theydonotknow.htm#2-be I shared some thoughts with a Cushing's group (any hormone can go high or low, and be part of the pattern of 2-butoxyethanol poisoning ... AKA Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether.) You probably use it in things you clean with ... it is in paint ... many product that mechanics and carpenters use... in gun cleaners ... even in jet fuel? AND you can get exposed second hand. Ever have flu-like symptoms or diarrhea & eyes burning & hurting? Probably a second hand exposure episode skinrashes

Examples of 'second hand solvent exposure'

10-17-08

What chemical should be suspect for harming soldiers in war eras & civilians, too?

Check these basics - Look for this pattern * Cancer Harm may be Secondary to ANEMIA? *

Vietnam Vets Discuss Fever, Headaches, Diabetes & Autoimmune Issues



Dan Has

* It is now suspected that Pres FDR didn't have polio, but Guillain-Barre syndrome - Pres FDR had it - He did not have polio The chemical to suspect is what is in the fumes of WWI tanks that he got close to ... & soldiers on the return voyage in 1917

Why I suspect Obama, Jr could have health concerns

Military.com post under disability compensation forum: 2-butoxyethanol

http://www.valdezlink.com/re/achemicaltosuspect.htm

[Robert Ryan]

Thank you more info to ponder and look up

[Margaret Diann]

Research Advisory Committee on GWV concludes 11-17-08 that there IS a gulf war illness

There was a media blitz on 11/17/08 for gulf war illness issues I think it applies to other vets & civilians with CFIDS, CFS, FM, too help for gulf war illness & other vets & CFIDS civilians FIND THE ANEMIA of CFIDS AVOID BUTYL CONSIDER GLYCONUTRIENTS FOR HELP Why I suspect BUTYL not AO as the primary cause of harm to the Vietnam Vets, Primary harm to WWII vets & many who worked in manufacturing in the 30s & 40s to present http://www.valdezlink.com/gwv/2008help.htm 11-19-08 Special thanks to the Advisory Committee on Gulf War Vets who have spent a lot of time gathering information and reporting their findings to the public and to the Federal Government. What to do next? Three Soldiers Die after 'flu' symptoms 2005 Gulf War Illness update 11-17-08 So, what are the 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms? Health harm to Vietnam Vets Find ANEMIA for proof that EGBE causes CFIDS, CFS, FM, 'gulf war illness'* The Dizziness is part of 'the anemia' * 'civilian gulf war syndrome' aka CFIDS These symptoms & more Memory Loss American Legion List of symptoms & herniated discs And the children Cancer? Suspect that Cancer is Secondary to 'the anemia of CFIDS' that doctors are looking for * Maybe not a metastasizing issue! This is the 'shrapnel' chemical exposure * Where it shows up first is irrelevant Three Soldiers Die after 'flu' symptoms

Marine Corps Hymn

Research Committee on GWV concludes 11-17-08 that there IS a gulf war illness

[Margaret Diann]

The Vietnam Vets have the best 'list' of glycol ether harm ... they just blame the wrong chemical

[Margaret Diann]

One military man shared with me that he has the 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms but that they started in 1985. No matter where he looked to find the source of harm, he said, he kept coming back to the jet fuel. He asked me if I thought that could be? I never had thought of it. But I found that certain numbers of jet fuel are labeled as pesticide (so is 2-butoxyethanol) Note this info and the similar warnings on JP-4 What is Agent Orange ALONE supposed to do? A military person shared that it was mixed with kerosene or 'jet fuel' so it would adhere to the foliage

ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS for the Vietnam Veteran TABLE 1-1 Summary of Findings in Occupational, Environmental, and Veterans Studies Regarding the Association Between Specific Health Problems and Exposure to Herbicides Sufficient Evidence of an Association Evidence is sufficient to conclude that there is a positive association. That is, a positive association has been observed between herbicides and the outcome in studies in which chance, bias, and confounding could be ruled out with reasonable confidence. For example, if several small studies that are free from bias and confounding show an association that is consistent in magnitude and direction, there may be sufficient evidence for an association. There is sufficient evidence of an association between exposure to herbicides and the following health outcomes: Soft tissue sarcoma * Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma Hodgkin's disease Chloracne (this is from dioxin) Porphyria cutanea tarda (in genetically susceptible individuals) from ? Limited/Suggestive Evidence of an Association Evidence is suggestive of an association between herbicides and the outcome but is limited because chance, bias, and confounding could not be ruled out with confidence. For example, at least one high-quality study shows a positive association, but the results of other studies are inconsistent. There is limited/suggestive evidence of an association between exposure to herbicides and the following health outcomes: Respiratory cancers (lung, larynx, trachea) Prostate cancer Multiple myeloma The committee examined more than 230 epidemiological studies in detail on a range of health problems and their possible association with herbicides. It found sufficient evidence of a statistical association between exposure to herbicides or dioxin and soft tissue sarcoma, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and Hodgkin's disease. The committee also found sufficient evidence of an association between herbicides or dioxin and chloracne and PCT. Chloracne is a specific acne-like skin disorder; PCT is a liver disorder characterized by thinning and blistering of the skin * ? from what? Indequate/Insufficient Evidence to Determine Whether an Association Exists The available studies are of insufficient quality, consistency, or statistical power to permit a conclusion regarding the presence or absence of an association. For example, studies fail to control for confounding, have inadequate exposure assessment, or fail to address latency. There is inadequate or insufficient evidence to determine whether an association exists between exposure to herbicides and the following health outcomes: Hepatobiliary cancers Nasal/nasopharyngeal cancer Bone cancer Female reproductive cancers (breast, cervical, uterine, ovarian) Renal cancer Testicular cancer Leukemia Spontaneous abortion Birth defects Neonatal/infant death and stillbirths Low birthweight Childhood cancer in offspring Abnormal sperm parameters and infertility Inadequate/Insufficient Evidence to Determine Whether an Association Exists Cognitive and neuropsychiatric disorders Motor/coordination dysfunction Peripheral nervous system disorders Metabolic and digestive disorders (diabetes, changes in liver enzymes, lipid abnormalities, ulcers) Immune system disorders (immune modulation and autoimmunity) Circulatory disorders Respiratory disorders Limited/Suggestive Evidence of No Association Several adequate studies, covering the full range of levels of exposure that human beings are known to encounter, are mutually consistent in not showing a positive association between exposure to herbicides and the outcome at any level of exposure. A conclusion of 'no association' is inevitably limited to the conditions, level of exposure, and length of observation covered by the available studies. In addition, the possibility of a very small elevation in risk at the levels of exposure studied can never be excluded. There is limited/suggestive evidence of no association between exposure to herbicides and the following health outcomes: Skin cancer Gastrointestinal tumors (stomach cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer) Bladder cancer Brain tumors not that rare NOTE: 'Herbicides' refers to the major herbicides used in Vietnam: 2,4-D (2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid); 2,4,5-T (2,4,5-tricbIorophenoxyacetic acid) and its contaminant TCDD (2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin); cacodylic acid; and picloram. The evidence regarding association is drawn from occupational and other studies in which subjects were exposed to a variety of herbicides and herbicide components. Source: http://www.landscaper.net/agent.htm page bottom * We know that this may be what Dioxin does by itself, per a contemporary leader in the Baltics who was given 6,000 times the normal amount of dioxin. The other? .... more likely the herbicide or the 2-butoxyethanol in the kerosene - Used to help the 'dioxin mix' adhere to the foliage 2-26-05 comment

Summary http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/vietnam.htm