Politely Kissing International Ass

[HARDCORE]

According to the media, the French, like some in Belgium, are clinging to Kofi Annon?s (UN) coat-tails, in an effort to wrest control over Iraq (and its oil) from the United States and the people of Iraq themselves!

Like the Russian involvement in Japan, right at the tail-end of World War II, the French too, now seek to prance in, raise their skirts, and gobble up the spoils (opinion)?

Leading this ?I Told You So? scenario, was Kofi Annon, and although he did not at first, call the US by name - but rather as ?THAT STATE?, he chided our unilateral action against Iraq in GWII, as unfounded and failed (opinion)!? Of course it must be noted, that certain members of the United Nations ran out on their own mandate and obligations in Iraq!

Annon further echoed the erroneous assumption that the UN, and in particular the Security Council, was the ?Real World Power?, and as such, should wield control over United States actions in defending it?s own interests! ?Maybe a few of those "Bonvivants At The United Nations" would like to station their troops in our major cities as well! (Like Hell They Will!!)

Lastly, I take great exception at Kofi Annon referring to his cohorts as ?EXCELLENCIES", rergardless of it being but a hollow title! We eliminated such accolaides in America, many decades ago, and some of those at the UN are anything but excellent (opinion)!?

And According to Webster - ?EXCELLENCE? denotes superiority, and in my opinion (again) the United Nations ain?t superior to the common road apple!! And calling some of the members of the UN superior, is akin to calling a skunk a perfumed mink, in my opinion!

"The bottom line in Annon?s rhetoric was (opinion) a power grab!" One in which he urged the United Nations, under his control I assume, to bring us (USA) in line or to our knees! And by doing so, transform us into just another broken cog on the international square wheel of incompetence!

"If you love the UN's activities, or feel them to be effective as they now stand, that is of course, your right. Just as it is mine, to think otherwise!!" In my opinion, the United Nations is a grandiose example of the old saying about ?Offering A Hand To An Ogre, Who Then Demands The Whole Arm" as his lunch!

As a matter of fact, the gent that we put in charge in Iraq, Chalabi, is the same man who promised complete co-operation with his benefactors (Coalition), in putting Iraq back on its feet! Now he himself is attempting (opinion) to kick us in the groin, as his way of saying thanks! (Was this the whole idea from the start perhaps?)

Finally, in our efforts thus far to get the ?Deadbeats of The United Nations? to shoulder their fair share of expense and boots on the ground in Iraq, we have been able to attain but $1.5 Billion of the $30 to $55 Billion that we requested and needed, leaving us (USA), as usual to foot the majority of the bill!

?And from whence will this money be extracted, pray tell? By abandoning more veterans programs per chance, cutting further into our own military, or maybe by enacting more taxes down the line? Of course, we could always extract it $$ from the voting, working poor, or the Middle Class again?

As far as the international manpower needs in Iraq are concerned, the mood at the UN today, was still somehat negative (opinion), and this nose-thumbing was led, as usual, by a scant few pond-dwellers in French politics! (opinion)

In my opinion, we definately need to re-examine our membership in the United Nations, an organization that considers us more vassal than peer! (another opinion)

Well my dear Frenchmen (etc), ?I know not what course others may take, but as for me, you can bend over and smooch my butt, if you ask me real politely first!!?

Lafayette has been dead for well over 160 years, and even He Himself fell as a social victim to France's arrogance after his return from our Revolutionary War! But a few in "Frogsylvania" still seek to gain all of the mileage that they can from his (Lafayette's) magnificent deeds of years past! Deeds, I might add, that were in France's own best interests as well as ours, considering the fact that the Brits were kicking their (France's) backsides all over Europe, as did the Germans years later in World War II!! "Was not our intervention, a return of Lafayette's favor to the New World?"

Well, He (Lafayette) was one (great) gentleman, but if France attempts to bite into our asses again, as they did in GWII, they just might come up economically toothless! "Unless of course, political memories fade again?

I also noted that the initial applause received by ?OUR? president at that ?Cathouse On The East River today (UN)? was anything but thunderous or even cordial (opinion)! Many in attendance were far too busy shooting the breeze with each other, our own people included, rather than paying attention to the President?s poignant words!

Now that shows a complete lack of international class, if you ask me, but then class and the United Nations are about as oxymoronic as one can get! (opinion)

E PLURIBUS UNUM

VERITAS & Edited

[the humper]

Not new, but if we would withhold ALL the funds the US is supposed to pay the UN, wonder how long they would last. Cut their lights off and send them home. I know damn well Donald Trump could find something more useful to do with the bldg. The only portion of the 'FIGHTING" UN that I am personally familiar with was 50+ years ago, and in their participation, done a bang-up job. The Turks are either one of the meanest or craziest I've ever seen, in combat. Personally, I'd go along with some of your questions and answers. Tell em bye-bye, (and mean it).
SF
NC

[HARDCORE]

HUMPER et al -

Granted, there are still a few, like-thinking (true) allies in that organization (UN). But with this new European Commonwealth, united with a gaggle of lackluster users and losers, barking like junkyard mutts, and all eager to show us (USA) how much they really love and/or respect us :cd: , that organization (as it now stands) is about as useful as tits on a boar pig! (opinion)

VERITAS

[reconeil]

First-off my Friend,...there's not much I can add to the sad realities and sad truths stated. Still, most non-political or not politically affiliated Americans must think it absolutely absurd, in that THE GREATEST AND MOST POWERFUL NATION in World History should have to kiss ANYONES ASS,...and especially when no such thing is ever warranted for people whom despize us, believe themselves better than us, and are in many ways responsible for further loss of American Blood.

Though,...what's with that: "E PLURIBUS UNUM"? That most certainly doesn't have anything to do with what made America The Greatest Nation on Earth and/or: "Diversity". Awe-come-on Rick. Get with The Program and/or The Programmed/Brainwashed. Besides Oh Rabblerouser, such Latin just isn't politically-correct. For shame.

Neil

[HARDCORE]

"Tell me a little about this political correctness of which you speak!?" :cd:

It certainly has nothing to do with justice, liberty, equality or even right and wrong!!

It (Pollitical Correctness) is sometimes a convenient lie, one that alters itself as the need arises, and one, that like the eye of a hurricane, is totally detached from the reality of the real tempest!

As for "E Pluribus Unum", (one out of the many), I was refering to the fact that we are each but one, but united, we have a thunderous voice!!



VERITAS

[BLUEHAWK]

HC, humper, recon -

Damn, I dread getting into this thing... mainly because it's so important and I ain't got but the one measly stripe; but here goes... y'all might just as well open up the dang batteries all at once and get it over with, by now I've learned well how to take cover in the hole you taught me how to dig. DO NOT want to hear one thing about my buttons or the spit shine afterward though! When the smoke clears, I'll still have the same questions, if'n your fire doesn't snuff me out.

First, I trust my commander-in-chief. If he thinks it's time to go before the UN, then it's time to go before the UN. When he thought it was time to give those orders to commence the two Freedom campaigns we got goin' on, it was time.

Second, I listened to as much as I could of Secretary Anan's speech today on radio. I found it among the finest war-time peacemaker speeches I have ever heard, and it gave me a little hope like maybe Churchill's talks way back when must've, for some.

Third, I appreciate and value the UN, guys... maybe for different reasons than others don't. I believe they are a body and the SOLE body, with many faults, whose role has a chance, a prayer, to keep most of our troopers coming home, sooner, on their own two legs... what battle does to the mind and heart I am unqualified to say. At the same time, I can almost readily understand a regiment of experienced warriors (PF has about 4500 of us, still not sure how many are IN a regiment!) not seeing things quite this way... and I know so many of us regard it as being crazy to WANT war, or see it go on longer than must be.

> Dunno what to make of France yet, but I will defend their sovereign right to vote as they please in a democracy. I do not regard them as an enemy, sorry. They are not the only ones who have a vested interest in Iraq and the middle east.

> Once ya set loose war dogs, then there's no telling what might happen, and everyone gets on edge. They're mighty hard to call back on voice commands alone, because all of a sudden stuff goes from the "general" to the "specific", in a big hurry.

> Mr. Anan did not, in my opinion, "chide" the US for unilateral action... what I think he said was that there are consequences when such action is taken, and those results tend to disrupt global harmony, right or wrong.

> Calling his colleagues "Excellency" is a formal courtesy any of us who might serve in that body would expect and render, for the sake of peace and dignity.

> Dunno if the UN is trying a "power grab" or not, seems unlikely and all but impossible, frankly... given who has the bigger badder guns and financing, eh?

> Chalabi, is there anyone in America other than perhaps a newborn who did not understand why that fella got in the position he was put in? Who, again, PUT him there?

> If we need "deadbeat" UN nations to share the cost of this deal, then isn't it better to ask nicely and persuade, rather than just beat the livin' daylights out of them? If one is a fellow of Project for The New American Century, of course, then all bets are off... it is your manifest destiny to expect ALL demands to be accomodated, instantly. Sorry for the sarcasm...

> Many say that the statute of limitations has run out on America's debt of gratitude to France, Lafayette and the French Navy for their generous services to our people in that hour of need 216 years ago. I say, "Not so." I will no more forget what they did than I could forget a single PH well-earned in a jungle, far away, decades ago... not for a moment. And, their help to America has been availed many times since... not least of which is symbolized by our own Statue of Liberty of whom we all are so proud.

Our president is a brave man, becoming braver with each passing day. I honor him, and those who honor him, who is striving every minute of his life to protect and defend our beloved land and people. That he would stand before the world, and give his speech, come what may... he is no fool.

Respectfully.

[HARDCORE]

Mike-

Well put, but "TO EACH HIS OWN!"

I am also not ready to nominate the President, Chalabi, or Anon for Sainthood, nor do I share your elevated opinion of the UN, and I thank God, that this is what this site is all about, don't you?!

If the President is as big a man as you seem to think, and I would not disagree with you on that for a moment, then he is certainly big enough to realize that he has made some pretty dramatic mistakes! And it would make no difference to me, what political party he hailed from, as it is both the right and the responsibility of those who put him where he is, to agree or disagree with his decisions! Or for that matter, even to be down-right pissed off, over what one may perceive to be a classic screw-up on his part!

This is not a friendly chess game, where the pieces are merely set-up anew after the cry of "Check Mate!" And ah yes - "Blessed are the peacemakers, my friend, for they shall inherit the Earth!" If, that is, there is any "Free Earth" left to inherit!!??

But you are damned right about one thing, it being that the USA is now in the catbird seat, and I can think of no other (just) nation that I would rather see occupying that space!! We do a good job of it, for both ourselves and our (true) allies!

Again, I wish that I could share your wonderfully eternal faith in certain entities, but alas I can not! "To err is human, but to continually forgive, however, can put one in deep emotional, economic, and physical hurt!

As such, I will not condone or applaud the death (as is my right) of even a single American to satiate an ego alone, or to excuse away the destruction of our mighty economy, or the pacification of a few international fools in the name of diplomacy alone! Nor do I look for excuses to point an accusing finger, or (eternally) turn the other cheek to thugs, extotionists, or tear-jerkers!!

To me, this nation (USA) comes first, last and always. And, God Willing, it will be here long after those who can see as well, coming or going (two faced), have departed for bigger and better (?) things!

Lastly - "IN NO WAY" can any man or woman who opposes, what he feels to be a wrong, and loudly sounds off (even against lords, politicos, or the highest of the Earthly high), ever be perceived as anything but a free man, exercising a God Given, Constitutionally Guaranteed gift and mandate - and one handed down from our Founding Fathers! Rights and liberties secured and preserve, by many who gave their all!! Not just for a president, and not just for economic considerations, but indeed, for ideals that are far above us all!

And most of all, never grow mute - "For in a democracy, silence is never golden!"
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Again, your (perceived) unbending dedication in certain matters and to certain individuals, is to be applauded (opinion)! I will forever respect (and fight) for your right to disagree, wrong though I feel you may sometimes be!!

I am not an internationalist, nor am I New-World Orderite! I do not parade under but a single American political banner! Nor do I march to any drum or bugle, that is not stamped - "MADE IN AMERICA!"

If that makes me bad or politically incorrect, oh well, I can (and will) live with it!! :cd:

VERITAS MY FRIEND

[the humper]

as we all, both have good points, depending on each different views. Going back to the French and what they did for us in History, and there are a few folks on the beaches of Normandy, wether they knew it or not, sortta evened it up plus many other times since then. And "H", confusion reigns!!! "MADE IN AMERICA", I don't quite understand. I AM, without qualification-- but that paragraph confused me!! And this would be one helluva disgusting site if we agreed on all things!!!! Wouldn't be much use for a site like this, would it?

SF
NC

[HARDCORE]

HUMPER et al-

Ref.- My quote:

"I am not an internationalist, nor am I a New-World Orderite! I do not parade under but a single American political banner (I am non-partisan in politics, and I back real people and not parties)!

Nor do I march to any drum or bugle, that is not stamped - "MADE IN AMERICA!"
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What I was referring to in this last sentence, was "NOT" placing our troops, military or economic assets, under continuing (or total) foreign control, command or alien marching orders, as was attempted during GWII (an even now) by the United Nations, France, Germany, Russia, etc.!

Allies we may be, a part of the Coalition we are, but when we march into battle (military, social or economic), our direction, our reasoning, and our directives, should and must coincide with our own security, our own interests and our (we and our Allies) collective survival!

VERITAS

I believe that some in Europe (and elsewhere) refered to our actions as unilateral!

[BLUEHAWK]

Yup...

Let's just say Blue is holding out, betting on the Prez and Mr. Anan on this one. Chalabi? don't think so...

I'm no Internationalist either, but the President's advisory corps sure as heck is!

Could go a lot of different ways, is what we're all saying, and mistakes seem to have been made... but that is what war is about, I think.

Great conversation...vital.