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Old 09-10-2004, 08:33 AM
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Dear President Bush
Recently I made a post on a website using documents posted by CBS to help explain your military service in an unfavorable light. Now it appears that those documents may not be authentic. If it turns out so I apologize for using them against you.I apologize for using that information against you but I?m not going to stop opposing you because the very records you posted are enough to prove the basic facts of the case.

President Bush, you need to come clean on your military record.

President Bush I have been looking through your records ever since your people posted them on Feb 11 2004. There are some items that demand clarification and explanation that ONLY YOU can give. You have been very vague and contradictory in your explanations and have only sent your surrogates to explain your record. It is not enough to say that your honorable discharge answers everything.
What we want explained is how you accumulated points towards your honorable discharge your last year and a half in service, when you were not flying and were suspended from flying. How does a pilot who has been suspended from flying accumulate points towards his discharge? What equivalent work did you do and where?? Your paperwork gives your only military skill as flying f102s?what did you do that was equivalent to that? This would cover the period from April 72 to your discharge in Oct 1973 a full 18 months..
Why did you refuse to take your flight physical.?? Were you given a direct order to take your physical? What was the date?? Rather than take your flight physical you volunteered for 2 separate nonflying assignments and allowed yourself to be suspended from flying, your only duty, for failure to take your physical. The written orders for your suspension, dated 9/29/72 refer to earlier orders given verbally?what was the date of this oral suspension, who did it and what was said? It passes credibility that you would not remember this. Were you given any flight pay after that date? Did you return it?
President Bush, No records show you as participating in the TANG trainings at all between May 72 to October 72, although you were obviously in touch with your superiors at this time as the paper trail shows.. Your pay records that you posted indicate a six month gap here. How do you explain a 6 month gap in your records?? You have said you received orders to go to AL in May and that?s why you didn?t take your physical. But the orders that you are justifying this with are dated Sep 15. Was this before or after your verbal suspension from flying?? Your 2d transfer request should have been approved by AF HQ like your first one was disapproved. Why is there no record of this??
In your OETR dated May 1973, covering the period May 5,72?May 5, 73
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your job title is listed as ?Pilot? but you did not fly this whole year. If you were, as you say, doing equivalent work, what was it, where, and why is it not listed here?? Why doesn?t this report say you were suspended from flying when it happened in the middle of this rating year (Sept 29, 1972) Doesn?t not flying for a whole year and being suspended for most of it have a huge effect on a pilots rating?? Shouldn?t it? Your CO, Col Jerry Killian, says in this report that you were not observed during the entire period. He says you cleared Ellington AFB on May 15, 1972. But the orders for your transfer to AL are dated Sep 15th and that is in response to your 2d a request that is dated September 5th, 1972 http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif
Col Killian is clearly not telling the truth here because you were under his command at least from the period May?Sep15, 1972, as the paperwork proves. Why did he not rate you for this period? Please explain the line: Lt Bush will not be able to satisfy his flight requirements with this group. Didn?t they know you had been suspended? Did you have further flight requirements at the time?
Why is your 2d request for Alabama in such an informal form?? Did this go through the chain of command? Were copies of it submitted to AF HQ, as your first one was, for approval? Did they approve, as they were required to do? Your paperwork only shows orders from the AL ALNG to go to AL?why was the AL ANG giving you orders when you were clearly under the command of the TANG through September, as the date on your suspension shows.
There are only 2 training dates shown on this approval, Oct 7, 8: Nov 4, 5. These are orders for a temporaryt assignment, these 2 trainings only There is nothing to indicate any further training with this unit. Your pay records only show you there on one day, although nobody remembers you there. Who did you serve with here and what did you do? Please explain this discrepancy.
You had orders to go to Alabama?where are your orders returning you to Texas??
When did you return to Texas?? Bios of you have you in Houston during the spring of 73?were you showing up for trainings then?? Why is there no record of this? And what were you doing?the job, where and who you were working with???This would cover from whatever time you returned to Texas to your discharge?at least 8 or 9 months. EVERYBODY else can tell what they did their last year of service,. If they were really there. You should be able to also.
If you returned to Ellington AFB before May 1973, why did your COs say they had not seen you for a whole year? If you were there between December and May, who did you work with and what were you doing? If you didn?t return before that time, where were you?? Your orders to AL only said Oct and Nov?you could not have been training with them after this or where are the orders showing this?
You continued to accumulate points towards your discharge, even after you were suspended from your only military skill, according to your discharge. How did that work?
What other work were you doing that would justify the loss of the expensive, taxpayer paid flight education you received?? I?m sure you would remember this?if it really happened, please tell the truth about it.
Why is there no OETR for the period covering May 1973 untill your discharge in Oct 1973??

President Bush this is an election year and there?s a lot of misinformation floating around, its easy to get confused. I urge you and other Americans to join me in calling for a complete investigation of your military affairs to dispel all doubts. Only you can tell the real story?this is too important to keep putting off on your mouthpieces. If you are proud of your service, you need to answer these questions yourself, like any real man would.
Once again, tho, I?m sorry if I have hurt you through inauthentic evidence. I won?t do it any more, there?s plenty of evidence in the records you posted last Feb
Have a nice Day!!

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Old 09-10-2004, 02:24 PM
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What do you really know about George W. Bush's time in the Air National Guard? That he didn't show up for duty in Alabama? That he missed a physical? That his daddy got him in?

News coverage of the president's years in the Guard has tended to focus on one brief portion of that time - to the exclusion of virtually everything else. So just for the record, here, in full, is what Bush did:

The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.

That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.

Not two years of weekends. Two years.

After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.

According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).

Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?

That brings the story to May 1972 - the time that has been the focus of so many news reports - when Bush "deserted" (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went "AWOL" (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren't unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

"In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots," Campenni says. "The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In '72 or '73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem."

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points - not much, but enough to meet his requirement. Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently. In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.

During his service, Bush received high marks as a pilot. A 1970 evaluation said Bush "clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot" and was "a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership."

A 1971 evaluation called Bush "an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot" who "continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further." And a 1972 evaluation called Bush "an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer."

Now, it is only natural that news reports questioning Bush's service - in The Boston Globe and The New York Times, on CBS and in other outlets - would come out now. Democrats are spitting mad over attacks on John Kerry's record by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

And, as it is with Kerry, it's reasonable to look at a candidate's entire record, including his military service - or lack of it. Voters are perfectly able to decide whether it's important or not in November. The Kerry camp blames Bush for the Swift boat veterans' attack, but anyone who has spent much time talking to the Swifties gets the sense that they are doing it entirely for their own reasons. By their own admission, the Swifties stated that they would be publishing the same book, making the same speeches, taking the same opposition if it had been a Republican who went to Paris to consort with the Vietnamese Communists, who made such outrageous charges under sworn testimony, etc. etc.

And it should be noted in passing that Kerry has personally questioned Bush's service, while Bush has not personally questioned Kerry's.

In April - before the Swift boat veterans had said a word - Kerry said Bush "has yet to explain to America whether or not, and tell the truth, about whether he showed up for duty." Earlier, Kerry said, "Just because you get an honorable discharge does not, in fact, answer that question."

Now, after the Swift boat episode, the spotlight has returned to Bush. That's fine. We should know as much as we can. And perhaps someday Kerry will release more of his military records as well.

Incidentally, where, when and how did John Kerry fulfill the remaining years of his service obligation after his release from active duty? Did he ever show up for weekend drills? Did he ever complete his two weeks of active duty for training, as required by Naval regulations?

And a quick clue to those in Rio Linda: James' "apology" was really an exercise in passive-aggressive behavior, and a rather transparent one at that.
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