Trouble in Kerryland tomorrow.

[Packo]

Big trouble brewing for our hero John "the Poodle" Kerry.

It would seem that, and I quote, " Hundreds of former commanders and military colleagues of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry are set to declare in a signed letter that he is "unfit to be commander-in chief". They will do so at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday. "What is going to happen on Tuesday is an event that is really historical in dimension," John O'Neill, a Vietnam Vet who served in the Navy as a PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) boat commander, told CNSNews.com. The event, which is expected to draw about 25 of the letter-signers, is being organized by a newly formed group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. (www.swiftvets.com) "We have 19 of 23 officers who served with Kerry. We have every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam. They all signed a letter that says he is unfit to be CIC," O'Neill said. (the article goes on)


Interesting.....should be real interesting to see how much this gets played on mainstream media.


Packo

[colmurph]

Fox News will probably cover it but the 3 major networks will probably give it a "pass".

[SuperScout]

Are these 25 letter-signers part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? Wonder if they'll be branded with that label, irrespective of the fact that they are simply bearing witness to the truth?

[darrels joy]

Kerry 'Unfit to be Commander-in-Chief', Say Former Military Colleagues
11:23 AM EDT | Posted By nikita demosthenes
Via CNSNews.com:

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Hundreds of former commanders and military colleagues of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry are set to declare in a signed letter that he is ?unfit to be commander-in-chief.? They will do so at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday.

?What is going to happen on Tuesday is an event that is really historical in dimension,? John O?Neill, a Vietnam veteran who served in the Navy as a PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) boat commander, told CNSNews.com . The event, which is expected to draw about 25 of the letter-signers, is being organized by a newly formed group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth .

?We have 19 of 23 officers who served with [Kerry]. We have every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam. They all signed a letter that says he is unfit to be commander-in-chief,? O?Neill said.

O?Neill, currently a Houston, Texas, based attorney, is no stranger to Kerry. O?Neill served in the same naval unit as Kerry and commanded Kerry?s swift boat after Kerry returned to the United States. Kerry?s command of the PCF boat lasted four months and ended shortly after he received his third Purple Heart. According to naval regulations at the time, any sailor who received three Purple Hearts could request a transfer out of the combat zone.

Kerry and O?Neill engaged in a nationally televised debate in 1971 on The Dick Cavett Show over Kerry?s allegations that many Vietnam soldiers had routinely engaged in atrocities such as raping and cutting off ears and heads of Vietnamese soldiers and citizens. Kerry was the then spokesman for the anti-war group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

?We are going to be presenting a letter that deals with Kerry?s unfitness to be commander and chief that has been signed by hundreds of swift boat sailors, including most of those who served with Kerry,? O?Neill explained.

?The ranks of the people signing [the letter] range from admiral down to seaman, and they run across the entire spectrum of politics, specialties, and political feelings about the Vietnam War,? he added.

Among those scheduled to attend the event at the National Press Club and declare Kerry unfit for the role of commander-in-chief are retired Naval Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, who was the commander of the Navy Coastal Surveillance Force, which included the swift boats on which Kerry served.

Also scheduled to be present at the event is Kerry?s former commanding officer, Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard. Hibbard recently questioned whether Kerry deserved the first of his three Purple Hearts that he received in Vietnam. Hibbard doubted both the severity of the wound and whether it resulted from enemy fire.

?I?ve had thorns from a rose that were worse? than Kerry?s wound for which he received a Purple Heart, Hibbard told the Boston Globe in April.

Organizers are confident that Tuesday?s event and the letter with hundreds of signatures will educate people about Kerry.

?It is one of the largest outpourings of concern about him being commander-in-chief that anybody could have in a presidential campaign and it is by the people who know him best,? O?Neill said.

Yes, Superscout, they have all (hundreds) been labeled as part of the right-wing conspiracy

[Seascamp]

Multiple screw V-hull speedboats are great interceptors and pursuit vessels, but make really crappy landing craft and armored nose-to-nose, toes-to-toes sluggers. That protruding keel on the bottom of the V-hull is great for maneuvering/speed and better yet at getting stuck in the mud/sand bar and becoming a sitting duck. No big surprise that the armored landing craft and Ironclads had more or less flat bottoms, virtually 90 degree hard chine?s and a fairly shallow draft. I would hope the Gentlemen/former Swiftboat Crewmen address these issues and lay it all out.

Most likely all this will get flushed to the settling pond where unwelcome reality goes, but it?s good to know that there are some that will speak out. Brave Guys, for sure. Cometh the high speed DNC barracudas to, bite, cut and slash now, just watch what happens.

Scamp

[skeeter]

Did any of these men give Kerry the multiple medals he earned?
If they did, were they lying then or they lying now?
Did any one of the group give any recommendations for the medals? If they did, were they lying then or they lying now?

If they are upset that he was protesting the war after he was no longer serving there.

I submit that it is they, who are "unfit". Since it should be the obvious to everyone by now that Vietnam was a huge mistake.

[catman]

Kerry...throwing "his" medals over the fence, was he lying then or is he lying now.

Kerry...talking on tv about stopping American jobs from going overseas, is he lying now, or was his family lying then.

Kerry...calling all Vietnam Vets babykillers, was he lying then or is he lying now


skeeter...I thought you promised to never post on this joke of a site again...were you lying then or are you lying now?

Trav

[skeeter]

cat-meow:

Must I have to explain everything twice to you, for you to understand?

I said, "but I probably(that little word probably) has some real merit to it)will drop from posting any threads here"
and "however, that is not my reason to leave or post less"
The word less, meaning one or more times less than I have before.
Understand?

And you have asked in another post about the "slick willie" site.

Great discussion forum. Great people.. Former Texas Governor. Ann Richards, Former Missouri Senator, Jean Carnahan, several Hollywood stars., and a great many more to name.

[catman]

What I understand is the back and forth mind changing of the democrats and their supporters.

Seems to me anyone that likens himself to Jesus would know what he wants and not keep changing his mind with the direction of the wind.

Trav

[darrels joy]

Former US Navy Lt. Kerry has the veteran vote after he answers these questions:
LIKE MOST Vietnam War Veterans and Cold War Veterans, I am willing to forgive and forget. In fact, since former LCDR John McCain has forgiven the Vietnamese commies, I surely have no right to carry around anger about the Vietnam War and how it ended. But as you keep bringing it up in every speech you make "I am a Vietnam War Veteran" and "I won the Silver Star" I must ask a few questions. As we are both US Navy Vietnam War veterans and you were a commissioned officer and I was a petty officer and as you announced that you are running for President while standing in front of my ship and home of two years, the USS Yorktown, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, so please answer the following and I will quietly and respectfully listen to your answers;

Question number 1--Will you like President Bush release your service and medical records? Or do you want to hide the fact that you were only scratched and got 3 purple hearts to cut your combat zone tour to only 4 months? If you don't want to answer the question, simply lift up your shirt sleeve and show us a scar or two. What? No scars at all but 3 Purple Hearts permitted you and you demanded that your tour of duty be cut short by 2/3rds? Regulations require that to be awarded the Purple Heart you must be treated for an injury, caused by enemy action, by a Medical Officer but that your "wounds" were so slight (if any) that you never saw a Medical Officer. A medical corpsman put some Bactine on your scratch. One of your shipmates says that a wound was "self inflicted" because you carelessly set a US mine. That certainly wasn't caused by "enemy action" was it?

Your commanding officer Grant Hibbard says "I've had [wounds from] thorns from a rose that were worse," Everyone at the mission where you got the "rose thorn" scratch says they saw no enemy fire. LCDR Hibbard's remembers your first purple heart "wound" was to your forearm. But the paperwork says your "wound" was above your elbow. Did your "wound" somehow move? Your bronze star "award" was for pulling a shipmate's head out of the water because you simply drove the boat too fast. Using that criteria, how many bronze stars should former President (and modest) and former lifeguard Ronald Reagan be awarded?

Did you go to Vietnam to get all "medaled up" to run for public office one day? Why did you buy a 8mm movie camera to recreate your "combat"? Was it so you could use the film 35 years later when you finally got to run for President? Why do you take credit for combat action against the enemy as the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 during several actions in late January 1969 when Edward Peck, who was the skipper of the No. 94 before you took over, says he was the skipper, and not you and you were nowhere around. In this action that you never saw you say you were in a firefight where you were engaged by at least 40 Viet Cong soldiers; "Three men on PCF66 were wounded. A junk containing South Vietnamese troops was also sunk, killing 11 South Vietnamese troops." In another "action" that didn't involve you, you say "While Kerry's boat and another [PCF72] were probing a canal along the river, Kerry's boat came under heavy fire and was hit by a B-40 rocket in the cabin area. One member of Kerry's crew -- Forward Gunner David Alston -- suffered shrapnel wounds in his head. His injuries were not considered serious and he was sent to the 29th Evac Hospital at Binh Thuy." Would you agree that falsely taking credit for being in the middle of these battles, when you were not, is rather pathetic and make you unworthy to be Commander in Chief?

On your military records, Secretary of the Navy John Lehman's signature is on many of those records. How is that possible? He wasn't Navy Secretary for 12 more years. After you got your "early out" for your fake purple hearts, your swift boat crew almost mutinied, right? How else were you able to get your entire on-board crew transferred out of combat after your "early out" from Vietnam? You say in every speech that you are a "Vietnam War Veteran" and that President Bush only served in the National Guard and imply that the President is a draft dodger. Bill Clinton successfully dodged the draft. But isn't it true that you are a FAILED draft dodger, having asked your draft board for a one year deferment, so you could visit Paris to sit out the war and the draft board refused you, you joined the Navy. And while in the Navy didn't you take swift boat duty because you thought you would see little or no action. However, AFTER you were assigned, Admiral Zumwalt put those units into more direct combat roles.
Question number 2--Did you receive a Silver Star for chasing and killing a Vietnamese who was already wounded (or already killed) by another swift boat crewman? In the history of the US Navy, have you ever found another instance of an officer being awarded the Silver Star for killing a dead man? Did you get the Silver Star based on the Action Report that you wrote and the "action" that you alone witnessed? If you get a Silver Star for killing an enemy, wouldn't every soldier, sailor and marine who killed an enemy soldier also be entitled to wear a Silver Star? If you killed a wounded and helpless Vietnamese isn't that murder and not combat? Isn't what you did-the same act as what Lt. Calley committed- and he faced a court martial and was convicted? Your gunner's mate says that you were a coward and ran from the enemy. Another says that you've abandoned your shipmates until you needed them to dress up your campaign 35 years after the war. Wouldn't you agree that as a Navy skipper, faking 3 purple heart injuries to bug out of Vietnam and abandoning your fellow sailors is a character flaw we would not want to see in a Commander in Chief?

Attention Lt. Kerry. Missing your medals because you tossed them, lost them or "left them at home"? Want to buy a Navy Cross too? Just get $75 from your half billionaire wife and buy one. usmedals.com

Picture: Former US Navy Lt. John Forbes Kerry, directing mass demonstration in April 1971 in Washington DC, viewed by the world and encouraging our enemies as American servicemen were dying daily in Vietnam.

Didn't you throw your Silver Star back at the US Capitol in protest for our fight against worldwide communism. You've said that those were your medals...then you said they were someone else's medals...then you said that you threw your RIBBONS but NOT your medals and now we see your self awarded "Silver Star" proudly on display in your office. Is the Silver Star on display one that you bought at the gedunk (ship's store) or did you lie to us about throwing your medals away?

Somewhere Over the Capitol,
Medals Fly;
Were they John F'ing Kerry's?
Or Maybe Just another Lie.

LEPhunt


Isn't your self awarded Silver Star for putting a bullet into a fleeing wounded (or already dead) enemy and your three Purple Hearts for self admitted scratches that took you out of action for ONE DAY an insult to every veteran? Do you have superhuman eyesight? How could you be piloting the boat, suddenly go under fire, see the enemy who was firing at you, THEN turn the swift boat and beach it, THEN without your eyes leaving the boat's course and simultaneously not leaving the sight of the running enemy, stop the boat, drop the controls (not looking down for your weapon), jump off the boat (still not looking down but with the fleeing enemy in your sight?), still see the enemy who has added several yards to his flight by now, still be able to "find" him, shoot him (all un-witnessed) and then return to your boat to the acclaim of your crew! How is all of that possible?
Question number 3--While a US Navy commissioned officer did you commit a court-martial offense by repeatedly disobeying orders and putting your unarmored swift boat and its crew in danger by beaching it in combat, killing unarmed civilians and children and/or killing wounded and helpless enemy combatants? By beaching your swiftboat and disobeying orders, didn't you render the machine guns inoperative as they were now stuck too high up to shoot at the enemy and made the swiftboat and your crew sitting ducks if you were suckered into an ambush? You were risking the lives of your crew so that you could "gain some glory" and go home and immediately run for Congress, right? What did Admiral Zumwalt mean when he said "I don't know if I should give Lt. Kerry a medal or a court martial for all the civilians he's killed. I want to put a straight jacket on Lt. Kerry." Is this what you referred to when you mentioned your horror at seeing a dead baby in Vietnam? If you were Commander in Chief but had no "boss" would you also act out of control but have no one to put you in a "straight jacket?"

You now say that your use of the words "murder" and "atrocity" to describe your brother soldiers and sailors actions were made in "anger" and really not accurate. Said another way, you today admit that you lied then but it was "anger" that caused you to lie and slander your fellow servicemen. Can we expect you to lie to us as our President but excuse yourself because you were "angry" about something and to use such false, hurtful, out of control, undiplomatic language when you when you negotiate with foreign leaders and the lives of our loved ones are hanging in the balance in a crisis?

Hear the slander Kerry made against his brother sailors and soldiers that helped our enemy win the war against the US that he NOW admits were inaccurate. clink link to hear Kerry admit to his war crimes. http://members.aol.com/viperash50/ke...War_Crimes.mp3

Question number 4--After your active duty in the Navy did you fulfill your Navy Reserve obligations or ignore them and devote all your time to anti American demonstrations which emboldened our enemy to eventually win the war? Because you encouraged our enemy when American fighting men were still in the field, can you give us a number of how many American soldiers, sailors and Marines you are responsible for killing? Why does LTC Oliver North say, "John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands."
Question number 5 When you returned from Vietnam, you labeled all other Vietnam Veterans war criminals. You made these claims under oath. Were you lying then, or are you lying now? You attended your first pro Viet Cong rally and marched under the communist flag on October 15, 1969 when you were still on active duty in the US Navy. Would you call it treason if you were President and your soldiers and sailors aided the enemy in time of war? Were you wearing your US Navy dogtags, carrying a US Navy ID card and still obligated by the oath you took to "support and defend the United States" as you encouraged our enemy to continue to kill our soldiers, marines and sailors on the battle fields of southeast Asia? While still in the US Navy Reserve, with a still active security clearance, why did you attend a meeting of the group you formed where assassination plots on Federal officials and US Senators were discussed? Despite an affirmative obligation to report these murderous discussions, why did you not inform the FBI of discussions to assassinate so called "hawk" US Senators?
Question number 6 You associated yourself with Hanoi Jane Fonda, an avowed Communist who supported North Vietnam. Hanoi Jane stated that our prisoners were LYING when they claimed to have been tortured by the Vietnamese. Do you believe former LCDR John MCCain to be a liar?

Question number 7 Have you condemned Jane Fonda and asked her not to support your campaign? In his 1985 memoir about the war, General Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that "if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S."


Indeed, the communist newspaper, the Communist Daily Worker, shows your picture and your "moving" call for "peace/"American surrender. Just how much did you contribute to the Communist bloody victory and the humiliating American defeat in Vietnam? The Department of Justice was set to charge Jane Fonda with treason, but the President stopped that action so the country could heal after our Vietnamese allies were slaughtered. Was the Justice Department set to charge you with treason as well? What did Hanoi Jane mean when she called you "a hero?" Did she mean you were an American hero for killing Vietnamese civilians? Or, did she mean that you are a Viet Cong or Communist Vietnam "hero" for helping them win the war. Picture: Kerry sitting behind "Hanoi" Jane Fonda at antiwar rally.
Question number 8 You wrote a book entitled The New Soldier where the cover MOCKS the Iwo Jima memorial with scruffy men "raising" an upside-down United States flag. 7,000 Marines DIED at Iwo Jima including three from the famous photo you Mock. Do you care to apologize to the 7,000 families of those Marines? During the Vietnam War why did you encourage American soldiers and sailors to desert in your book THE NEW SOLDIER and in your speeches. As our Commander in Chief would desertion during wartime be "ok" with you? Do you disagree with Ted Sampley, a former US Army Green Beret soldier who said, ""In order to get to where he is today, to run for president, John Kerry had to wade through the blood of American servicemen still on the battlefield in 1971."
Question number 9 You have stated that going into the National Guard was like running off to Canada. Tens of thousands of Guardsmen served in Vietnam, several thousand gave their lives...do you care to apologize? Lt. Bush flew a F102. Many of the men who flew F102s were killed in them. Would you care to explain how risking your life to fly a fighter plane is cowardly--explain this to the widows and their children? The F102 was tasked with meeting and shooting down Soviet bombers coming to the USA by flying over Canada to destroy US cities and military installations. Surely as Lt. Bush would shoot them they would be trying to shoot and kill Lt. Bush. Please explain the cowardice in Lt. Bush's military service? In your mind is engaging the enemy "over Canada" the same as "fleeing to Canada?" Also, wasn't Lt. Bush risking his life in the early 1970's when you were at the very same time "protesting" the war, encouraging our enemies and calling us sailors, soldiers and veterans "war criminals?"
Question number 10 You have stated you would turn the decision on deployment of US troops over to the United Nations and OPPOSED the death penalty even for terrorists who murder Americans. How would you win the war on terrorism given your stated positions? You state that you voted for the war but now state that you were only voting for the "process" of the UN putting pressure on Iraq. Please show us in the vote the word "process." Also explain why 99 other US Senators could not find the word "process" in the bill they voted on.

Bonus Question for Lt. Kerry! True or False Question- "Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East. Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos." True or False, former Lt. Kerry; When given the power as a US Senator to find and recover shipmates left behind in Vietnam, did you sell them out for political gain? What does the left leaning Village Voice mean when they state, "When John Kerry's courage went AWOL." What do you have to say to the wives of the Vietnam POWs who say you exploited their tragedy for your own political gain?

Finally, please explain how we are to believe anything you say, or ever said, and how you are a member of our "band of brothers" after you called us all war criminals and after you gave aid and comfort to our enemy while still in the US Navy and betrayed all soldiers, sailors and Marines who served their country honorably?

Picture: (left) AN and later Petty Officer 2nd Class Daniel A. Bernath, (on left) USS Yorktown, USS Kearsarge at Yankee Station off coast of North Vietnam 1968, 1969 on port side aft 6" gun watch, USS Yorktown.

(right) Kerry, trading on his 4 short months in Vietnam, hoping we all forget how he sold out his country and fellow veterans, voted against all weapons so servicemen could do their job and defend themselves on the battlefield, formally announces his campaign for the 2004 U.S. Democratic presidential nomination at a rally in front of my home for 2 years, the decommissioned aircraft carrier USS Yorktown September 2, 2003 in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. Cynically using the famed World War Two ship as a mere background prop in his campaign. (By the way, I extended my tour in the Combat zone off the coast of North Vietnam, while you took an "early out" abandoned your crew and left after 4 months.)




"Early-Out" Kerry home from the war,
Three purple hearts and not a single scar.


O're the fence the medals go
to wash away his sin.


Raced 'round to other side,
to gather ?em up again.


901AtTheRiver